I am raging (again)

[meltoine]

Losers, the lot of them. Omg.

I wish I had more to say that would start a discussion. But seriously, all I can think is fuck them. What gigantic assholes.

And she is a badass. I kind of love her.

[amaristella]

If I post the Colbert response from Reddit, will that help or make angry?

[audette]

Obnoxious and idiotic.

Crap like this is why I'm starting to give up on women ever being considered equal in the US. It's depressing.

[amaristella]

Sept 26, 2014 17:19:07 GMT -5 Stan said:

Sept 26, 2014 17:10:35 GMT -5 amaristella said:

If I post the Colbert response from Reddit, will that help or make angry?

I saw both his and Jon Stewart's response and greatly preferred Stewart's. My dumb friend said Colbert's response was evidence that gender comments go both ways.

Sorry I did not mean to post and run. I will have to look for Stewart's.

[audette]

Sept 27, 2014 23:50:45 GMT -5 Stan said:

Sept 26, 2014 23:54:46 GMT -5 audette said:

Obnoxious and idiotic.

Crap like this is why I'm starting to give up on women ever being considered equal in the US. It's depressing.

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It's a good response, yes. But, the attitudes that make these guys feel like they can make comments like that in the first place, _on air_ are just too damn prevalent. I'm sick of having to deal with craptastic idiots like this that can't get their heads out of their asses long enough to see past stereotypes...

(I'm in a snarky mood this morning - I should still be in bed... Instead, I was woken up by someone pounding on the hotel room door next to my room _way too early_)

[ohyouknow]

Sept 26, 2014 23:54:46 GMT -5 audette said:

Obnoxious and idiotic.

Crap like this is why I'm starting to give up on women ever being considered equal in the US. It's depressing.

I don't think it will ever happen.  It is super depressing.

[Deleted]

Sept 26, 2014 23:54:46 GMT -5 audette said:

Obnoxious and idiotic.

Crap like this is why I'm starting to give up on women ever being considered equal in the US. It's depressing.

If it makes you feel any better, as a woman who flies fighters in the USAF, I have NEVER encountered a single instance of gender discrimination in my workplace, in 11 years of service.  None of the men I have ever worked with would make a comment like this about a female pilot.  I know that gender discrimination does exist in the military, but it's not EVERYWHERE.  There is hope.   

[audette]

Sept 29, 2014 21:31:24 GMT -5 Stan said:

Sept 29, 2014 20:54:55 GMT -5 @villainv said:

If it makes you feel any better, as a woman who flies fighters in the USAF, I have NEVER encountered a single instance of gender discrimination in my workplace, in 11 years of service.  None of the men I have ever worked with would make a comment like this about a female pilot.  I know that gender discrimination does exist in the military, but it's not EVERYWHERE.  There is hope.   

I know I'm glad to hear that about the fighter community. H was in the fighter community of rotary in a different and smaller service and he said it sucked for the female pilots.

I know that sexism in the officer corps of my service is alive and well, just much more subversive now.

@villainv - that is great to hear. Yay!

Stan - that lines up with what I'd say I can see from the outside looking in. I certainly see a bunch of confusion from the (mostly male) officers that DH interacts with when they find out I have a professional job.  And I see/hear things now and then that make the opinions a bit more obvious.

Like the dumbass I'm arguing with on FB right now about women being allowed to volunteer for Ranger School... I know nothing I say will change his mind, but maybe, just maybe, someone else will read the comments I've posted and listen.

[audette]

Sept 29, 2014 23:21:11 GMT -5 Stan said:

Sept 29, 2014 22:45:39 GMT -5 audette said:

@villainv - that is great to hear. Yay!

Stan - that lines up with what I'd say I can see from the outside looking in. I certainly see a bunch of confusion from the (mostly male) officers that DH interacts with when they find out I have a professional job.  And I see/hear things now and then that make the opinions a bit more obvious.

Like the dumbass I'm arguing with on FB right now about women being allowed to volunteer for Ranger School... I know nothing I say will change his mind, but maybe, just maybe, someone else will read the comments I've posted and listen.

All the 11 series I know are terrified of women in their world because they think they won't be able to be men around us women. Ugh.

Why is it that "being a man" always seems to equal doing things that are known to be inappropriate in mixed company to folks like this?

I find myself becoming more vocal about crap like this the older I get.  And the more I deal with people that think I'm a freak because I'm female and capable in a male dominated field...

[Dory1988]

As a 26 year old dealing with a bunch of 18 year old idiot boys when I was in training I could have smacked most of them for the gender stereotypes they played. We had one day where we had a lengthy argument with one such boy about why females shouldn't be allowed at FMTB. Our instructor tried to reason with him but this kid was too stupid to get it I guess. Finally he told him he needed to do some research on gender equality and you just can't say stuff like that because he'd have to send him to the fleet to chip paint. This kid also didn't know who Rosa Parks was (he thought Eleanor Roosevelt sat in the back of the bus), thought Cinco de Mayo was in April (he was Hispanic mind you). I'm glad Stan was educated in Cali otherwise I'd have nothing good to say about their school system after meeting that poor boy.

[audette]

Sept 30, 2014 9:42:23 GMT -5 Stan said:

Sept 30, 2014 6:40:50 GMT -5 Dory1988 said:

As a 26 year old dealing with a bunch of 18 year old idiot boys when I was in training I could have smacked most of them for the gender stereotypes they played. We had one day where we had a lengthy argument with one such boy about why females shouldn't be allowed at FMTB. Our instructor tried to reason with him but this kid was too stupid to get it I guess. Finally he told him he needed to do some research on gender equality and you just can't say stuff like that because he'd have to send him to the fleet to chip paint. This kid also didn't know who Rosa Parks was (he thought Eleanor Roosevelt sat in the back of the bus), thought Cinco de Mayo was in April (he was Hispanic mind you). I'm glad Stan was educated in Cali otherwise I'd have nothing good to say about their school system after meeting that poor boy.

God I know exactly what you mean. I'm SO glad (and jealous) that your male instructor said something to him. At my most recent training, a guy was having trouble with his M16. My trainer asked him where he went to Basic. "Oh. You had female drill sergeants, right? She taught you all about your weapon?" As I'm sitting there having absofuckinglutely zero trouble with my weapon. I said something, but nothing changed. That was par for the course there.

Also, education in California does pretty much suck. Our public colleges and universities rule though! Quality and low cost.

Holy frustrating, Stan.

The one nice thing about my job is that if someone really does have an issue with me being female, I can generally take care of it myself - then handful of truly obnoxious situations I've dealt with have been when I have been teaching, and it's pretty easy to demonstrate that I am capable within minutes...

What's more common for me to come across, though, is the low level general assumptions - it's not uncommon for the students to assume I'm the admin assistant helping get the drinks and snacks set up rather than being the instructor.  I can't really fault the guys for the assumption - my field is ridiculously male dominated.  And most guys are _supremely_ embarrassed when they realize they messed that up.

Our company has two women on the tech staff, and that blows people's minds.  The norm for me is to be the only woman in the room/on the team/at the meeting/etc (which is kinda great...  if I need a moment to center myself I can almost always get alone time in the ladies room...).  This has become so normal to me that I forget it isn't normal for others.  Of all the people I interact with on a regular basis for the tech side of my job, I can count all of the women on one hand.  Marketing and admin support is more of a mixed bag, at least.  But, yeah, numbers being what they are I have now taken to letting people know I am female ahead of time if we are arranging a face to face meeting.  It avoids surprises...