I'm honestly glad you're able to see that it might be necessary to re-evaluate as the children get older. This scares me on a daily basis when I send KHC to someone's house, and I ask parents if they have guns before he goes somewhere. And as they get to be teenagers, the suicide rate jumps, and it skyrockets if there's a gun in the home; that scares me too.
I don't know if you were still in the NoVa area in 1997, but a friend of mine was shot by his best friend. They were both 14, both boy scouts (nearly Eagle scouts) and DEFINITELY "knew better." Teenage boys especially worry me.
Although there is a piece of incorrect info in ^^there^^. The shooter was 14, but still in middle school.
And LOL at all of you trying to make any sense out of Tillie.
Yes, even boys (or girls!) who know better are not above being dumb. Which is why we will definitely re-evaluate, and quite honestly I do think we will get rid of our handguns. BIL, who is older than DH, had friends over after school one day. His dad (FIL) kept a loaded handgun in the drawer of their nightstand. BIL knew this was there and was not supposed to touch it, but he was "showing it off" (makes me sick to even think about) to his friends. He proceeded to fire the gun, and the bullet traveled through the closet and about 75% of MIL's clothes that were hanging in there. OMG. He was in SO MUCH trouble. But being in trouble doesn't matter, after the fact. Everyone in that scenario was SO lucky.
I pull this example out as much as necessary to drive home any point regarding our kids and gun safety in our home as well as others.
I don't know if you were still in the NoVa area in 1997, but a friend of mine was shot by his best friend. They were both 14, both boy scouts (nearly Eagle scouts) and DEFINITELY "knew better." Teenage boys especially worry me.
Although there is a piece of incorrect info in ^^there^^. The shooter was 14, but still in middle school.
And LOL at all of you trying to make any sense out of Tillie.
Yes, even boys (or girls!) who know better are not above being dumb. Which is why we will definitely re-evaluate, and quite honestly I do think we will get rid of our handguns. BIL, who is older than DH, had friends over after school one day. His dad (FIL) kept a loaded handgun in the drawer of their nightstand. BIL knew this was there and was not supposed to touch it, but he was "showing it off" (makes me sick to even think about) to his friends. He proceeded to fire the gun, and the bullet traveled through the closet and about 75% of MIL's clothes that were hanging in there. OMG. He was in SO MUCH trouble. But being in trouble doesn't matter, after the fact. Everyone in that scenario was SO lucky.
I pull this example out as much as necessary to drive home any point regarding our kids and gun safety in our home as well as others.
That's pretty much exactly what happened to my friend. Except he was standing next to one of the walls it went through.
ETA: And, of course, the victim's parents (well, his dad) blamed it on "rap music," instead of, I don't know, the PARENTS who left a loaded Colt .45 around their 14 year old son when he was home alone. But rap music, definitely.
I don't disagree, but a part of the "disease" is the gun culture that exists in this country.
Yup. These two in this particular case had been fighting/in an argument before school. The idea that a high schooler can have such easy access to a gun, and their go to reaction when fighting with a fellow high schooler, is indicative of a major problem. Guns just shouldn't be so easy to get.
Beheadings must be a better way to go - forget about guns.
What possible reason exists for someone to NEED to carry a concealed weapon?
Apart from their ego, of course.
When my H was installing ATM machines and security systems in banks, he started concealed carrying after being in a couple banks during robberies. Granted, he didn't NEED to carry, but his boss strongly recommended it after the 2nd robbery. He never concealed carried/carries otherwise.
He is a hunter so we also have rifles in addition to his handgun. The rifles are unloaded in a safe in our garage since hunting is the only use they get. The ammo for them is in a separate, much smaller safe in the closet in our bedroom. The handgun is also unloaded kept in a small safe in one of our under bed storage compartments on his side of the bed. The ammo for that is in a different small safe in one of the under bed storage compartments on my side of the bed. The kids are not allowed in our room or our closet unless one of us is in the bedroom as well. There is no way we would have enough time to have a gun ready for protection in the event of an intruder.
That said, even as a gun owner by association (all our guns were h's before we got together) I think the gun laws here are not nearly strict enough here. Not even close.
Yes, even boys (or girls!) who know better are not above being dumb. Which is why we will definitely re-evaluate, and quite honestly I do think we will get rid of our handguns. BIL, who is older than DH, had friends over after school one day. His dad (FIL) kept a loaded handgun in the drawer of their nightstand. BIL knew this was there and was not supposed to touch it, but he was "showing it off" (makes me sick to even think about) to his friends. He proceeded to fire the gun, and the bullet traveled through the closet and about 75% of MIL's clothes that were hanging in there. OMG. He was in SO MUCH trouble. But being in trouble doesn't matter, after the fact. Everyone in that scenario was SO lucky.
I pull this example out as much as necessary to drive home any point regarding our kids and gun safety in our home as well as others.
That's pretty much exactly what happened to my friend. Except he was standing next to one of the walls it went through.
ETA: And, of course, the victim's parents (well, his dad) blamed it on "rap music," instead of, I don't know, the PARENTS who left a loaded Colt .45 around their 14 year old son when he was home alone. But rap music, definitely.
Well it's a good thing I don't have to worry about my kids doing this. We don't listen to rap. Some people's parents
Using the phrase "blowing us away" does not inspire in me confidence in your ability to correctly assess a stressful situation. I mean, why not just add a "Yippie kai yay, motherfucker!" to that?
I'm at traffic court. Which looks a lot more like the DMV than a courtroom. But it's still a court and you have to go through the medal detectors, etc.
So I've gotten through security and I'm waiting in line, just on the other side of the medal detectors. This old lady, she was at least 80, is walking through when I hear one of the police officers talking to her. He asks her sit in a chair in the middle of the two medal detectors and proceeds to read her her rights.
And then he says, "Ma'am, I'm not going to put handcuffs on you, but you are under arrest. You cannot bring a handgun into a court of law. Did you know that you have a pistol in your purse? Next time you need to leave it in your glovebox."
After age 15 (the rage is 15 to 24) suicide and homocide via firearm go up dramatically.
Look, I kinda get the point you are trying to make but this is starting to irk me.
Yes, there are a kajillion ways that kids can be injured or killed that are not from guns, but honestly, all I see above is a list of 234 violence based child deaths that could potentially have been prevented. And the rates you chose to leave out are fucking staggering, over 1000+ per category.
Is there a risk taken when letting kids go swimming, yes. But at the very least that is choice parents can make for themselves.
Being put in the situation of unwillingly risking your child's life to a potential gun death by just going to school is a different animal all together.
I'm at traffic court. Which looks a lot more like the DMV than a courtroom. But it's still a court and you have to go through the medal detectors, etc.
So I've gotten through security and I'm waiting in line, just on the other side of the medal detectors. This old lady, she was at least 80, is walking through when I hear one of the police officers talking to her. He asks her sit in a chair in the middle of the two medal detectors and proceeds to read her her rights.
And then he says, "Ma'am, I'm not going to put handcuffs on you, but you are under arrest. You cannot bring a handgun into a court of law. Did you know that you have a pistol in your purse? Next time you need to leave it in your glovebox."
I'm at traffic court. Which looks a lot more like the DMV than a courtroom. But it's still a court and you have to go through the medal detectors, etc.
So I've gotten through security and I'm waiting in line, just on the other side of the medal detectors. This old lady, she was at least 80, is walking through when I hear one of the police officers talking to her. He asks her sit in a chair in the middle of the two medal detectors and proceeds to read her her rights.
And then he says, "Ma'am, I'm not going to put handcuffs on you, but you are under arrest. You cannot bring a handgun into a court of law. Did you know that you have a pistol in your purse? Next time you need to leave it in your glovebox."
Post by rugbywife on Sept 30, 2014 18:14:09 GMT -5
Things I learned in this thread…
I always pronounce Iamali wrong in my head, I didn't realize that it was I-am-Ali. Duh.
The rest isn't news to me, what I DON'T get, is why the murder of even one American by an overseas terrorist is a huge deal, a call to arms, a reason to go to war…but the murder of thousands upon thousands upon thousands of Americans, year after year after year after year is just ignored because of a line in a document that was written hundreds of years ago under very different circumstances. I guess as long as you are all killing yourselves, it is fine.
I always pronounce Iamali wrong in my head, I didn't realize that it was I-am-Ali. Duh.
The rest isn't news to me, what I DON'T get, is why the murder of even one American by an overseas terrorist is a huge deal, a call to arms, a reason to go to war…but the murder of thousands upon thousands upon thousands of Americans, year after year after year after year is just ignored because of a line in a document that was written hundreds of years ago under very different circumstances. I guess as long as you are all killing yourselves, it is fine.
Post by lyssbobiss, Command, B613 on Sept 30, 2014 18:19:26 GMT -5
Every time we go to a concert or a baseball game, we get our bags searched. And I wonder, "why are we doing this? No one is insane enough to take a gun to chromeo."
I am apparently wrong. There are people that insane.
"This prick is asking for someone here to bring him to task Somebody give me some dirt on this vacuous mass so we can at last unmask him I'll pull the trigger on it, someone load the gun and cock it While we were all watching, he got Washington in his pocket."