Dr who finale. Spoilers

[DesertMoon]

Omg. The ending crushed me. Why are they doing this to themselves ahh! I enjoyed this episode and expected asthma girl to be the new companion, but ah guess not. I wonder if missy really knows where Gallifrey is. I was bummed Danny didn't return...but he never really shone like Rory did or even Micky so I wasn't too mad.

[libbride]

I was so sad asthma girl was killed, I am ever hopeful she will come back somehow. I don't think Pink is gone, I think he will be seen again.

[GilliC]

I liked this episode a lot better than the last. BSC Missy Poppins grew on me with her complete psycho antics.

And I thought asthma had it coming. I mean, come on! Missy openly admits she's certifiable and evil, and asthma is all, "okay I'll go over and stick my head right next to your Hannibal Lecter teeth. How could this go wrong?!" Missy was already loose, so if she'd just killed the girl I would have felt bad for her. But IMO she pulled a horror-movie move. Like going alone into the dark cellar after a bunch of people have died.

As for the end, I really liked it. I thought it was a nice way to write Clara out. I never disliked her but I wasn't feeling her the last few episodes, and this plucked at my heartstrings a little.

However, I didn't feel like Missy's explanation for keeping Clara and The Doctor together was much of an explanation. Anyone care to help explain that, because right now I'm having a "Damn Moffat! Not again!" moment. He seems to like to weave things together through the season and then realizes too late that he was supposed to give it meaning. I think he missed his calling writing for Lost!

Disclosure: I stopped watching Lost after a few seasons when I realized they were never going to explain that blasted polar bear! Feel free to explain the polar bear in a Lost spoilers thread!

[tacokick]

How do Clara and Danny have descendants if he is dead? And she is leaving the show?

[tacokick]

Nov 9, 2014 17:26:50 GMT -5 libbride said:

I was so sad asthma girl was killed, I am ever hopeful she will come back somehow. I don't think Pink is gone, I think he will be seen again.

I was hoping she'd become the new companion!

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I'll be the dissenter: Honestly, we watched it last night and I sat through the whole episode complaining and saying, "seriously?!" SOMEONE needs to take the reins away from Moffatt, his writing is full of even worse plotholes and inconsistencies than is the norm from DW. No attempt to even explain how The Master came back. I don't mind that he came back as a female, albeit I hate the Mary Poppins look she was cultivating, and I rather enjoyed the whole BSC loopy behavior and found it entertaining.

But let's talk about the plot of this cyber-fiasco. Let's talk about some concept of conservation of mass and that some random "pollen" is NOT going to convert rotting decaying human bodies into metal exoskeletons. Whenever the cybermen need to make more, they have to find replacement and spare metal to make parts! Cybermen are supposed to be upgrades, so why would they use brittle human bones as the interior structure? Why would they put a human face/head inside a helmet? That's not what cybermen DO!! And Danny was in emotional pain but all previous "upgrades," when they regained emotions or whatever, they were in severe physical pain as well.

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I liked it but I'm more excited for the Christmas episode because Nick Frost!!! as Santa.

[DesertMoon]

Nov 9, 2014 19:27:29 GMT -5 tacokick said:

How do Clara and Danny have descendants if he is dead? And she is leaving the show?

I'm assuming like they always say, time is in flux and can be changed.

[blink]

I didn't hate the episode, but I'm not blown away by it either. It was OK. I should just ditto everything @ksta and tacokick have said, but I have my own rambles.

I didn't like that copious of amounts of people dying. It's hard for me to explain, but it all felt kind of meaningless. It was either a "so what" or "they'll probably come back" and so it didn't seem that powerful. I don't care if the people were still agents, there still seemed to be a laissez-faire attitude regarding the cybermen which everyone should still remember. The best way for me to put it is the episode felt very revisionary, like it just ignored all of the Davies seasons.

I also hated the cyber-rain, and I don't understand of storing the minds of dead people if cybermen don't necessarily need a mind or if they are essentially drones. Further, did the race essentially just roll over and take Missy. It would be like the Daleks working together. They didn't feel like cybermen.

And Missy was usually all about world domination, so this seems really really weird. Especially since she rejected the Doctor's offer to travel with him, and I don't like that they "killed" her off. AND HOW DID SHE COME BACK! Just once I'd like to have something answered.

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Nov 10, 2014 17:33:38 GMT -5 @slayerkate said:

I liked it but I'm more excited for the Christmas episode because Nick Frost!!! as Santa.

RIGHT?!!??!?!

[katfco]

So many questions
1. How did Missy come back?
2. How did she meet her (at least, Danny's) descendant?
3. So every nation in the world now knows about the Doctor? And cooperated enough to vote him president?
4. Missy set all this up just for----the Doctor? I know they always showed there was an oddly close relationship there, but the Master was a psychopath. Granted, at the end, he learned why, but Missy still seemed like a psychopath.
5. So Danny brought back this kid who'd been dead for a long time, and Clara was just supposed to find his parents? And then what? "Surprise! I wasn't really dead. I just haven't aged."

[GilliC]

Nov 12, 2014 8:03:55 GMT -5 katfco said:

So many questions
1. How did Missy come back?
2. How did she meet her (at least, Danny's) descendant?
3. So every nation in the world now knows about the Doctor? And cooperated enough to vote him president?
4. Missy set all this up just for----the Doctor? I know they always showed there was an oddly close relationship there, but the Master was a psychopath. Granted, at the end, he learned why, but Missy still seemed like a psychopath.
5. So Danny brought back this kid who'd been dead for a long time, and Clara was just supposed to find his parents? And then what? "Surprise! I wasn't really dead. I just haven't aged."

I thought about this too! Creepy. And what if his parents are dead?!

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ALL those katfco questions!!
Plus - the fact that Missy "chose" Clara just doesn't add up. Control Freak for the man who doesn't like to be controlled, ok...nice little low-scale revenge but that doesn't seem to come to ANY fruition of dastardly behaviour by Clara. Plus that whole "I was born to save the Doctor" then if Missy thinks Clara is supposed to destroy him.

MOFFATT!!! STOP BEING SOOOO LAZY!!! I've slowly become a missing RTD person. I mean, I loved Amy & Rory but the mythology arc since them has become soooo sloppy.

[Mrs. ChanandlerBong]

Nov 11, 2014 9:42:45 GMT -5 DesertMoon said:

Nov 9, 2014 19:27:29 GMT -5 tacokick said:

How do Clara and Danny have descendants if he is dead? And she is leaving the show?

I'm assuming like they always say, time is in flux and can be changed.

I forget where I read it, but someone suggested "What if she's in the early stages of pregnancy?"

I mean, if the rumors about her leaving are true, this probably isn't the case. But she is in the Christmas special...

[katfco]

Nov 16, 2014 8:52:13 GMT -5 Mrs. ChanandlerBong said:

Nov 11, 2014 9:42:45 GMT -5 DesertMoon said:

I'm assuming like they always say, time is in flux and can be changed.

I forget where I read it, but someone suggested "What if she's in the early stages of pregnancy?"

I mean, if the rumors about her leaving are true, this probably isn't the case. But she is in the Christmas special...

I wondered that, too. 

[Mrs. ChanandlerBong]

Nov 17, 2014 11:12:51 GMT -5 loonylunalovegood said:

We finally watched it last night and I thought it was horrible. Way too many loose ends and the cyberman plot was just ridiculous. Clara lying to the cybermen and then Missy's whole "here's your army" thing was just too much. Clara was supposed to be this big mysterious companion, she had all these different storylines and then went through the doctor's timeline to fix everything and then in the end they just lie to each other and say goodbye? No. I'm also wondering if she's pregnant.

I hate Moffatt.

x1,000,000,000

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This thread is not making me want to watch the 5 episodes hanging out on my DVR...

[panicked]

Daleks > cyber men. I do not understand how Danny got to hold on to his humanity. Was there an entire episode arc in the past about this not being able to happen?

I never liked Clara. Girl in the Dalek? Cool. Companion? No.

I LOVE Capaldi though. He's a great Doctor. I love how he makes references to past doctors and jokes about himself. He's so much better than Smith. After that muppet, he's the Doctor we need.

[Mrs. ChanandlerBong]

Nov 17, 2014 13:46:08 GMT -5 @ameliapond said:

This thread is not making me want to watch the 5 episodes hanging out on my DVR...

Honestly, just watch the last 2.

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Nov 17, 2014 15:08:24 GMT -5 panicked said:

Daleks > cyber men. I do not understand how Danny got to hold on to his humanity. Was there an entire episode arc in the past about this not being able to happen? How about the fact that if all emotions aren't turned off, they can't FUNCTION because of both the PHYSICAL and MENTAL PAIN of the conversion!!!!

I never liked Clara. Girl in the Dalek? Cool. Companion? No.

I LOVE Capaldi though. He's a great Doctor. I love how he makes references to past doctors and jokes about himself. He's so much better than Smith. After that muppet, he's the Doctor we need.  I slowly liked Smith but Capaldi is a needed changeup after two boyish Doctor's. (I say even though 10 is "my" doctor.) I've watched all existing of 1, half of 2, then 9-12 and I really enjoy the throwbacks that Capaldi's version makes to the grumpiness of 1. He reminds me of the end of 1 when I was finally attached to him...still grumpy gruff grandpa but had more affection that peeked through.

[katfco]

Nov 17, 2014 15:08:24 GMT -5 panicked said:

Daleks > cyber men. I do not understand how Danny got to hold on to his humanity. Was there an entire episode arc in the past about this not being able to happen?

I never liked Clara. Girl in the Dalek? Cool. Companion? No.

I LOVE Capaldi though. He's a great Doctor. I love how he makes references to past doctors and jokes about himself. He's so much better than Smith. After that muppet, he's the Doctor we need.

There was an episode (The Lodger), when someone was turned into a cyberman and he fought it off due to his love for his child. I had been hoping they would do that with this incident, also. I think that was what they were trying to reference--that his love for her transcended the technology. 

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Nov 20, 2014 16:55:45 GMT -5 katfco said:

There was an episode (The Lodger), when someone was turned into a cyberman and he fought it off due to his love for his child. I had been hoping they would do that with this incident, also. I think that was what they were trying to reference--that his love for her transcended the technology. 

Oh I forgot about that one!