What is happening here? Did these children never go to school? It pains me how many children fall through the cracks because no one sees them. You know, I'm constantly arguing with people in Germany about their homeschooling rules (it's illegal), but cases like this make me think maybe it's ok that everyone is supposed to be in school because maybe someone at school will notice that things at home must be beyond fucked up.
WHITE SPRINGS, Fla. (AP) — After suffering years of abuse at home, a 15-year-old girl broke into her parents' locked room through a window, took their gun while they were away and shot her 16-year-old brother to death, authorities said.
On Wednesday, authorities released police documents and interviews describing the abuse, including that the girl was locked in a room for weeks at a time with only a blanket and a bucket to use the bathroom.
The shooting at a small white house off a dirt road in rural north Florida happened Monday while the children's parents were away for work. The father, a truck driver, and his wife, who often went with him, left the 16-year-old boy to watch over the 15-year-old, her 11-year-old sister and their 3-year-old sister, police said. The parents left Sunday and were due back Tuesday.
Sometime Monday, the 15-year-old girl was locked in her room by her brother, police said. After the boy fell asleep, she talked her 11-year-old sister into unlocking her door.
The older girl knew her parents kept a pistol in their room, but they had locked their door. So the girl went outside and used a knife to remove an air conditioner from her parents' bedroom window. She climbed in while her 11-year-old sister kept watch and grabbed the gun out of a pink bag and loaded it, police said.
The girl went back inside the house, telling her young sisters to get in the closet, she told police. She turned her head and fired at her sleeping brother in the living room, and he screamed "Help! Help!"
She buried her head in a pillow for a while and upon returning to the living room, the girl found her 3-year-old sister trying to wake her dead brother, according to the police report.
She fled with her 11-year-old sister, leaving the 3-year-old behind, police said.
"It's hard for us to get our arms around this act," Columbia County Sheriff Mark Hunter said. "This is the stuff nightmares are made of."
Police caught up with the girls after a friend of theirs received a "weird phone call" from the 11-year-old girl, saying she had run away and needed someone to pick her up from a Dollar General, according to a police report. When the woman arrived, she found the older sister there, too.
The older girl said something might have been wrong with another sibling at home. As she spoke, she applied makeup and "would not maintain eye contact and appeared emotionless," officers wrote in a police report.
She soon started crying and told the officers that her brother had beaten her and that she had shot him.
When officers arrived at the home, the 3-year-old said: "he's dead." The brother's body was lying near the fireplace, under a blanket with his head on a pillow.
The girls' mother told police they often locked the 15-year-old girl up when she misbehaved. The longest they kept her locked in her room was 20 consecutive days, the father told police.
In the girl's room, police found only a blanket and a bucket filled with urine in the closet.
"It was learned that (the 15-year-old girl) has made past attempts at ending her life but neither law enforcement nor (emergency management services) was notified," police wrote in their report.
The girls were being held in juvenile detention on suspicion of murder and a prosecutor is trying to decide whether they will be charged as adults. Their parents face charges of child neglect and failing to supervise.
The 3-year-old is in the custody of child welfare officials.
Police documents released Wednesday said the girl's uncle was convicted of molesting her in 2010. They also say the children's mother discovered the siblings having sex in 2011. Authorities and child welfare officials investigated, but no one was charged.
Because of the girls' ages and abuse allegations, The Associated Press is not naming the girls, their brother or the parents.
Post by EloiseWeenie on Jan 8, 2015 9:53:44 GMT -5
Holy house of horrors.
Soooo, when the 15 year old was 11, her uncle molested her. Then, when she was 12, her parents found her 13 year old brother molesting her. She's repeatedly been locked in her room for God knows how long, as discipline. And the prosecutor is trying to decide if she should be charged as an adult.
What she did was horrific, but I'm totally WTFing the prosecutor here. The girl needs MAJOR help.
Omg I saw the headlines about this case and saw pictures of the girls, but hadn't read the whole story.
This is so sick. So so sick. How can this happen. So they didn't go to school? Did anyone know they existed? The 16 year old is old enough to not be in school (in MA compulsory schooling is 6-16), but the 15 and 11 should be. So if she were left in a room for 20 days at a stretch, and there's a report (did I read that right?) that there was sibling sex in 2011, where were the authorities, whoever they are.
Those poor poor kids. Imagine the 3 year old trying to wake him up omg omg, I can't even imagine.
Police documents released Wednesday said the girl's uncle was convicted of molesting her in 2010. They also say the children's mother discovered the siblings having sex in 2011. Authorities and child welfare officials investigated, but no one was charged.
Dude, no. I know the brother was close in age but the girl was about 12 at the time and she had just been molested by an uncle. I highly doubt they were "having sex." It sounds like the brother was both physically and sexually abusive and the parents were either complicit or completely neglectful.
Soooo, when the 15 year old was 11, her uncle molested her. Then, when she was 12, her parents found her 13 year old brother molesting her. She's repeatedly been locked in her room for God knows how long, as discipline. And the prosecutor is trying to decide if she should be charged as an adult.
What she did was horrific, but I'm totally WTFing the prosecutor here. The girl needs MAJOR help.
This is where I am. And they didn't say the brother molested her. Her parents said they were "having sex". I highly doubt that is what was happening though, as you point out.
The Buzzfeed article someone pointed out does have more information
Soooo, when the 15 year old was 11, her uncle molested her. Then, when she was 12, her parents found her 13 year old brother molesting her. She's repeatedly been locked in her room for God knows how long, as discipline. And the prosecutor is trying to decide if she should be charged as an adult.
What she did was horrific, but I'm totally WTFing the prosecutor here. The girl needs MAJOR help.
Right?!?! How about charge the actual adults who left these kids like this!
And I saw their pics yesterday or the day before, whenever it first happened. They may not be saying the name, but they don't mind showing their pics.
when that two year old shot his mom last week, at first I saw a pic of him and his mom on CNN, then a few hours later the boys face was blurred out, but last I saw these two girls faces are still not blurred.
Soooo, when the 15 year old was 11, her uncle molested her. Then, when she was 12, her parents found her 13 year old brother molesting her. She's repeatedly been locked in her room for God knows how long, as discipline. And the prosecutor is trying to decide if she should be charged as an adult.
What she did was horrific, but I'm totally WTFing the prosecutor here. The girl needs MAJOR help.
This is where I am. And they didn't say the brother molested her. Her parents said they were "having sex". I highly doubt that is what was happening though, as you point out.
The Buzzfeed article someone pointed out does have more information
I am kind of confused by the pronouns in this. Is the 11 year old charged too? Will "they" be charged as adults?
This is all kinds of fucked up.
They are deciding if both will be charged apparently.
I just saw that Buzzfeed article. *sigh* Is that a mugshot of the 11 year old?
Ok I see the Buzzfeed article title and it makes more sense. I read it as the 16 year old did it and the 11 year old fled with her. I wish they had taken the 3 year old...what a trauma for her. My guess is they are going to find the brother was abusing the 11 year old too.
Um....so brother and sister are having sex (which likely was molestation by the brother and not consensual sex, which is how this article makes it sound), after the sister was molested by an uncle, and NO ONE WAS CHARGED? WTF? What in the actual fuck?
Post by cinnamoncox on Jan 8, 2015 10:07:08 GMT -5
So the uncle is serving life for the molestation, at least there was justice "" there.
And parents are being held on $20k bail, and the kids are held without bail? I want those children to know love for just one second, I want them to be held and hugged and tucked in, that's a child's life. Nothing in this story leads me to believe there was a shred of normalcy in their lives.
And honestly, they police were called there multiple times, they knew there was the abuse and the children sleeping together, I can't blame this falling through the cracks on homeschooling, because the goddamned police had been involved, they're reporters too, right? Not just teachers. Why couldn't the police make a referral to CPS at any of the multiple times they encountered this "family" Fuck the world right now
WTF WTF? This child doesn't need to be charged with shit. She needs to be in a rehabilitation center or mental health facility. The prosecutors ain't shit and the parents are even less than that! Charge them with felony child abuse!
Oh man the comments section really IS the worst part of society.
Those girls should have just gone to the police or a trusted adult. That would have ended everything. Guns don't kill people!
Did people miss the part where the brother molested her and wasn't charged? Sounds like police WERE called and didn't do shit. And this child had been trying to kill herswlf and wasn't successful. I'm not mad that this is what she felt she had to do to end the abuse and pain.
This is where I am. She didn't escape and run away, she went back in to shoot him. Maybe she felt like that was the only way to be sure it stopped since the police certainly had failed at that.
Say what now? --> They also say the children's mother discovered the siblings having sex in 2011. Authorities and child welfare officials investigated, but no one was charged.
In Michigan anyway, CPS will not investigate sibling on sibling sexual abuse and just refer it to law enforcement. Law enforcement may or may not take a complaint on those facts with young children. So many ways that these situations can fall through the cracks ;( That poor 3 year old....poor all of the kids....
Oh man the comments section really IS the worst part of society.
Those girls should have just gone to the police or a trusted adult. That would have ended everything. Guns don't kill people!
That's not the way it happens.
I reported that my niece was being molested by her mom's boyfriend. I took her to the police station, and they refused to even file a report because we had no "proof".
Oh man the comments section really IS the worst part of society.
Those girls should have just gone to the police or a trusted adult. That would have ended everything. Guns don't kill people!
That's not the way it happens.
I reported that my niece was being molested by her mom's boyfriend. I took her to the police station, and they refused to even file a report because we had no "proof".
Oh, I know things don't work that way. I think the comment section people are living in clever-clever land where abuse is always reported and properly dealt with.
Oh man the comments section really IS the worst part of society.
Those girls should have just gone to the police or a trusted adult. That would have ended everything. Guns don't kill people!
That's not the way it happens.
I reported that my niece was being molested by her mom's boyfriend. I took her to the police station, and they refused to even file a report because we had no "proof".
Um... What? Excuse me? They wouldn't file a report and ask some damn questions? Aaaaaaargh! That shit makes me angry!!!
A friend of mine had a 2 year old who was molested at daycare. The police gave her the runaround and in the end... wait for it....blamed my friend for being a fancy American and putting her child in private daycare. Say what now? Do you not have jurisdiction over private daycare, Herr Polizei? I wanted sooooo badly to go with her to the station and put them on full blast but they had convinced her not to and I didn't want to push. I'm still so mad about it.
Oh, and the one police investigator said she talked to the guy and "he seemed so nice that we believe him." Swear to God. Well, fuck you, lady. And fuck him, too. And yes, I do tell people who have kids to avoid that place. Sorry, not sorry.
WTF? And according to Buzzfeed this was more than molestation:
In December 2010, Kevin Kornegay, who is the teens' uncle, was arrested for molesting Ariel after his wife found a USB drive with filmed clips involving sexual acts. The abuse had allegedly been going on for a long time.