Well, this is CEP, so...can we at least all jump on the debate regarding whether our ag industry being in bed with Congress makes it so much harder for everyone to maintain a healthy weight?
YES! We can't eat healthy if everything we eat has corn in it!
This is where I'm at. It otherwise makes no sense to say "Don't even try!"
This is not at all what the article says. I think it actually applies MORE to the obese.
ETA: specifically, because for someone who just needs to lose a few vanity pounds, maybe that is the low end of their set point (and maybe not). But for someone who is obese, it is objectively more difficult (to the point of scientifically improbable) to get to a normal weight.
I didn't read the piece to mean that she's saying that "your normal weight" equals "a normal weight" or "a healthy, non-obese weight." She's talking about the weight that your body feels stuck at, the point where it always seems to return after a failed diet.
Years of yo-yo dieting fuck with the metabolism, as this article says. A fucked up metabolism encourages yo-yo dieting. It's a vicious cycle that people get stuck in, and it's really hard to break out of it. You don't just get out of it because you need to buy natural peanut butter, FFS.
ETA: Also, do we need to wait for the thin priveldge people to come in and say "well yeah but you could just eat healthy and weigh a little bit less!" Or can we skip that part of Fat Tuesday?
I do honestly think there's just something genetic that allows thin people to be satisfied with either not having that donut, or only having one bite of it. For example, my sister has a much harder time with food than I do. We both went and got ice cream recently. I had three bites, and then I was done with it. After that, subsequent bites weren't satisfying-- they were just more of the same taste. I threw mine away and she was shocked. She said, "I guess that's the difference between us. I can't possibly stop eating this once I've started. You don't even want to keep eating yours."
This is why, when people ask "Which is easier: exercising or eating better?" I will say exercise without hesitation.
When it comes to exercise, it's hard, but it only takes one decision. At 6am, I choose to get on the treadmill or whatever, but then I'm done.
With healthy/better eating, it's a million decisions over the course of the day. Every minute of the day I have to choose to ignore the donut or reach for the celery or cook one meal over another.
It's been so depressing having a miscarriage at 13 weeks. I was gaining weight and have no baby to show for it. And that fucking weight hangs around like a daily reminder. Fuck you extra no baby weight!! Anyway last week I started a "diet." Really just monitoring my caloric intake and staying under 1200 calories per day and also monitoring my nutritional balance. I think it's working? More than anything though its giving me control over an uncontrollable situation. For that, I feel happy. I'm not sure what I think of this article. It's too broad.
Yeah I agree. I think the overall premise of the article is good but most people aren't at their "natural" weight due to the food choices we have in this country...hello obesity epidemic.
I guess this article is aimed at those people who want to lose those last few "vanity" pounds,
This is where I'm at. It otherwise makes no sense to say "Don't even try!"
No. This not aimed only at thin people who want to lose vanity weight. That doesn't make any sense at all. Obese people losing a ton of weight and putting it all back and more is depressingly common.
I don't find the message of these types of articles to be to give up on healthy eating and exercise. It is that sustained, long-term, significant weight loss is not a reasonable goal or expectation. It is attempting to change our societal myth that if obese people would just get some willpower, they too would be skinny. That calories in vs calories out is misleading.
I do think that these types of articles could benefit from talking about shifting focus. They generally address that losing weight and keeping it off is close to impossible. However, often they don't then switch the focus to the fact that eating well and exercising will make you feel better and healthier.
If the only goal to eating well and exercising is to lose weight, then when it inevitably doesn't work people give up. Eating right and exercising make me feel great. I focus on that.
This all ties in with the idea of will power being a finite resource. There was a study about that a few years ago that was all over the news for a while. The problem is that, being as will power is a finite resource for everyone, we can all say "no" to the doughnut once, but because we are surrounded by unhealthy choices all the time, eventually we run out of will power. Maybe I, personally, can only say no 45 times before giving in. I make it through the meeting because The doughnut only catches my eye 40 times. But then I go pick up my kid from school, and dunkin donuts is right across the street. Well shit. I've already used up my willpower for today.
I don't agree this article. I also don't agree with the idea that people have a "set point" or happy weight. Sure you have a certain set point if you're sitting on the couch everyday and eating junk, but if you become more active and start eating better your set point changes.
I don't agree this article. I also don't agree with the idea that people have a "set point" or happy weight. Sure you have a certain set point if you're sitting on the couch everyday and eating junk, but if you become more active and start eating better your set point changes.
I don't agree this article. I also don't agree with the idea that people have a "set point" or happy weight. Sure you have a certain set point if you're sitting on the couch everyday and eating junk, but if you become more active and start eating better your set point changes.
Soooo... have you done 20 years of research?
You're so full of shit. Just about everything that you post is you disagreeing with something with no real back-up other than your sanctimonious "Well *I* don't think..."
I don't agree this article. I also don't agree with the idea that people have a "set point" or happy weight. Sure you have a certain set point if you're sitting on the couch everyday and eating junk, but if you become more active and start eating better your set point changes.
This is why, when people ask "Which is easier: exercising or eating better?" I will say exercise without hesitation.
When it comes to exercise, it's hard, but it only takes one decision. At 6am, I choose to get on the treadmill or whatever, but then I'm done.
With healthy/better eating, it's a million decisions over the course of the day. Every minute of the day I have to choose to ignore the donut or reach for the celery or cook one meal over another.
This makes a lot of sense. And seems to have more impact on our bodies--my HDL tripled with exercise and no weight loss.
I don't agree this article. I also don't agree with the idea that people have a "set point" or happy weight. Sure you have a certain set point if you're sitting on the couch everyday and eating junk, but if you become more active and start eating better your set point changes.
I am unsure because I've never reached my set point. I assure you I could keep gaining weight and eventually be cut out of my house
I have a point I can't get below without starvation which is low but higher than many women. I have never reached a top end.
It's been so depressing having a miscarriage at 13 weeks. I was gaining weight and have no baby to show for it. And that fucking weight hangs around like a daily reminder. Fuck you extra no baby weight!! Anyway last week I started a "diet." Really just monitoring my caloric intake and staying under 1200 calories per day and also monitoring my nutritional balance. I think it's working? More than anything though its giving me control over an uncontrollable situation. For that, I feel happy. I'm not sure what I think of this article. It's too broad.
A friend of mine who had a stillbirth said the same thing. I'm sorry; it really sucks.
I have never been pregnant, but I wonder if biologically there are differences between losing weight shortly after pregnancy vs. in general (e.g., with the hormonal changes), and even without the ability to nurse. Anyone know?
ETA: Also, do we need to wait for the thin priveldge people to come in and say "well yeah but you could just eat healthy and weigh a little bit less!" Or can we skip that part of Fat Tuesday?
I do honestly think there's just something genetic that allows thin people to be satisfied with either not having that donut, or only having one bite of it. For example, my sister has a much harder time with food than I do. We both went and got ice cream recently. I had three bites, and then I was done with it. After that, subsequent bites weren't satisfying-- they were just more of the same taste. I threw mine away and she was shocked. She said, "I guess that's the difference between us. I can't possibly stop eating this once I've started. You don't even want to keep eating yours."
Its such a huge mental game too. I am trying to lose weight right now and I know that I cannot have one piece of candy or one cookie or one sip of pop because I'll think "well, since I had one thin mint, I might as well have the whole sleeve." Its easier for me not to have one at all than to have just one or two. And then if I find myself splurging on something eating a million cookies, I end up blowing my whole eating plan and splurging everywhere instead of just picking myself back up and moving on. I have BTDT a million times over the last year. I don't know if in my brain triggers when I have sugary/processed foods that makes me want more (and I have read studies about that and HFCS) or what.
Post by tacosforlife on May 5, 2015 10:18:47 GMT -5
RE: set point. I think I know about where mine is. I am much heavier than it right now because yes, I have made poor choices, and I need to work to get back to it. But it is still in the obese category. How do I know that's my set point? Because when I wasn't in a hellacious job and stressed all the time, it wasn't that hard to maintain. I had energy to run and workout. I was happy with how I felt and how I looked, even if I was a size 16. And honestly, no matter how hard I tried, I COULD NOT get below a certain point. I found myself crying from hunger because I was trying to restrict to lose weight.
CRYING FROM HUNGER.
So if some basic bitch (looking at you, mmmomof2) wants to come in here and tell me that all I had to do was cry a little more from hunger and run more than 15 miles per week while also lifting weights and the weight would have come off, then someone better hold my gold.
RE: set point. I think I know about where mine is. I am much heavier than it right now because yes, I have made poor choices, and I need to work to get back to it. But it is still in the obese category. How do I know that's my set point? Because when I wasn't in a hellacious job and stressed all the time, it wasn't that hard to maintain. I had energy to run and workout. I was happy with how I felt and how I looked, even if I was a size 16. And honestly, no matter how hard I tried, I COULD NOT get below a certain point. I found myself crying from hunger because I was trying to restrict to lose weight.
CRYING FROM HUNGER.
So if some basic bitch (looking at you, mmmomof2) wants to come in here and tell me that all I had to do was cry a little more from hunger and run more than 15 miles per week while also lifting weights and the weight would have come off, then someone better hold my gold.
I think every single person on earth has something they use to 'escape'... drugs, alcohol, gambling, video games, shopping, exercise, sex, food - WHATEVER...it's all about whether you do it in moderation or not. Mine is food, I do not moderate well, never have really...I have to either be super strict with myself or I eat everything I want. I have had issues with alcohol as well but because the impact of lack of moderation is different in terms of my day to day life I have managed to work through my issues better. I have yet to solve my food issues.
I don't agree this article. I also don't agree with the idea that people have a "set point" or happy weight. Sure you have a certain set point if you're sitting on the couch everyday and eating junk, but if you become more active and start eating better your set point changes.
This is where I'm at. It otherwise makes no sense to say "Don't even try!"
This is not at all what the article says. I think it actually applies MORE to the obese.
ETA: specifically, because for someone who just needs to lose a few vanity pounds, maybe that is the low end of their set point (and maybe not). But for someone who is obese, it is objectively more difficult (to the point of scientifically improbable) to get to a normal weight.
I'm morbidly obese. I didn't read it as something that pertains to me.
I think every single person on earth has something they use to 'escape'... drugs, alcohol, gambling, video games, shopping, exercise, sex, food - WHATEVER...it's all about whether you do it in moderation or not. Mine is food, I do not moderate well, never have really...I have to either be super strict with myself or I eat everything I want. I have had issues with alcohol as well but because the impact of lack of moderation is different in terms of my day to day life I have managed to work through my issues better. I have yet to solve my food issues.
Because you never have to drink again if it comes to it but you have to eat. I wish and have wished and wished and wished I was and could be an eat to live person. But I am not. I will probably never be. I do the best I can but I'll be goddamned if someone is going to come in here (not you, still mad at bitch up thread) and tell me my struggle is not real cause "just eat less and move more." Shit.
Preach.
I really wish I could buy a box of cookies and have it last more than 2 days in my house. But I can't, so I don't buy snacks. I've tried the "everything in moderation" thing at my house and it just isn't realistic to me because I LOVE food.
I don't agree this article. I also don't agree with the idea that people have a "set point" or happy weight. Sure you have a certain set point if you're sitting on the couch everyday and eating junk, but if you become more active and start eating better your set point changes.
Okay? But decades of scientific research and dozens of experts who do this for a living disagree with *you*.
I don't agree this article. I also don't agree with the idea that people have a "set point" or happy weight. Sure you have a certain set point if you're sitting on the couch everyday and eating junk, but if you become more active and start eating better your set point changes.
Okay? But decades of scientific research and dozens of experts who do this for a living disagree with *you*.
This is not at all what the article says. I think it actually applies MORE to the obese.
ETA: specifically, because for someone who just needs to lose a few vanity pounds, maybe that is the low end of their set point (and maybe not). But for someone who is obese, it is objectively more difficult (to the point of scientifically improbable) to get to a normal weight.
I didn't read the piece to mean that she's saying that "your normal weight" equals "a normal weight" or "a healthy, non-obese weight." She's talking about the weight that your body feels stuck at, the point where it always seems to return after a failed diet.
Years of yo-yo dieting fuck with the metabolism, as this article says. A fucked up metabolism encourages yo-yo dieting. It's a vicious cycle that people get stuck in, and it's really hard to break out of it. You don't just get out of it because you need to buy natural peanut butter, FFS.
I totally agree, sorry if that wasn't clear.
You know what kills me about the "eat natural peanut butter" crowd? Why do they think we haven't tried that? Why do they think their "let a Hershey kiss melt in your mouth" advice is new? I don't have bingeing issues, myself. But I've done it their way and I've done it my way, and I'm the same weight. I'm going to eat healthy, because it's better for me, but no matter what you want to think about my personal failures, it's not changing my weight.
I dare say most of us fatties know MORE about trying to lose weight, not less.
You know what? I don't eat that much on a typical day. I rarely binge, and I only drink water or coffee most days. I have a desk job, a long commute, and twins. I still can't lose weight. If it's all 80% diet and 20% activity, then how come I haven't lost 40 lbs from simply having no time to eat?
I don't agree this article. I also don't agree with the idea that people have a "set point" or happy weight. Sure you have a certain set point if you're sitting on the couch everyday and eating junk, but if you become more active and start eating better your set point changes.
I don't get the vitriol - I'm not saying that everyone can be a size 2 if they just try a little harder. I'm just saying that the idea of set points is self-defeating and not productive.