Pay question

[glitzyglow]

My 90 day review is Thursday. I don't know if my pay rate is part of the discussion, but I need it to be. How should I go about this? Send an email ahead of time saying that I want to discuss my pay?

[glitzyglow]

Thanks for thinking of me I do have sources that indicate I am severely underpaid (a national salary study was done about my job recently and it even breaks it down my city and region), but I'm not sure I should bring those out unless I need to. I'm just not sure if I should give her a head's up that I want to talk about it, or if I bring it up in the meeting without giving her notice?

If she is unable to give me a raise, I will be giving her my two weeks' notice and then I will temp until I can find something permanent. The amount of money I make is less than what I made as a freshman in college.

[dreamcrisp1]

How do you think telling them that would go over?

Something like, "I really enjoy my job and I love the work I do. I really enjoy the organization, I'm significant contributing, and I feel like I'm growing lot. However, based on my research of similar positions and salaries and the fact that I have a MA in the field, I feel severely underpaid for my job. Id really like to stay with the organization but, unfortunately, if I don't get a raise, it's just not feasible for me to stay here much longer."

Or something along those lines?

[glitzyglow]

Jun 2, 2015 12:17:03 GMT -5 dreamcrisp1 said:

How do you think telling them that would go over?

Thanks for the suggestion! I honestly have no idea how this is going to go over, which is why I am so torn on how to do it. I've heard mixed things from others at work (in general about raises, not about my situation).

[gault]

Email her before your 90-day review and say you'd like to discuss pay during the review, as well. Try not to be nervous - this is a business transaction, and what you have is hard, solid facts that you deserve more.

I wouldn't be shy about sharing the salary study. A good company would take that into consideration. And if there's no room in the budget to give you what you deserve, or whatever she says as an excuse, I would consider that to be just cause for giving two weeks notice. You've presented a very good case for a salary bump and have reasonable expectations. If she needs time to negotiate with the higher-ups, that's fine.

There may be a chance that they say you can get a raise at a year, or 6 months, or some other future timeline. It's up to you to decide whether to trust that or not.

Hugs. I know this stuff is scary and difficult to bring up.


As an aside, I plan on doing the same thing at my job, as well. We can compare notes I'm at a non-profit so my chances are slim.

[bl]

Was there any indication at the time of hire that salary would be discussed at the 90 day eval? If so, I wouldn't bring it up before the meeting. If it was not mentioned then I would email her something along the lines of you looking forward to your 90 day review and receiving feedback on your performance thus far and you would also like to take the opportunity to discuss salary.

Definitely bring in the studies you found along with examples of where you experience and performance have been above entry level and are deserving of additional compensation. I wouldn't mention anything about leaving when you ask for the raise, just state the facts and go from there. She may not have an answer right away. If she gives you a definitely no, then you can turn in your notice.

[Deleted]

Yeah, I'm curious how the salary topic was discussed when you were hired.

At my job the 90 day review is just a performance type review; pay is only discussed at the annual company wide "review time". The 90 day mark is more just yes/no if they want to keep you.

I like the idea of emailing beforehand expressing interest in performance feedback as well as discussing pay.

[glitzyglow]

All she said about pay when I got hired was my rate and said we would do the 90 day review and discuss it then, but I feel like I want to make sure it's a talking point. The new fiscal year begins in July and noise around the office is that most raises don't happen until after a year at the job.

[idahome]

Unless the scope of your job changed dramatically I would not email ahead of the review to say you want to talk salary. Like a few other posters have said that can go south quickly. I do think your only chance of getting a raise now is to bring up the salary study and you must find the information in the study that most relates to your position in your town. Your supervisor may not be able to negotiate with you about your pay and you need to be prepared with a response if s/he indicates a need to consult with another person. How long will you give them until you walk?

Good luck!

[glitzyglow]

I will be getting a new title and additional roles to perform under the new title.

[mcc]

Jun 2, 2015 16:31:14 GMT -5 jenny1980 said:

Jun 2, 2015 16:23:32 GMT -5 @stpete said:

Why did you not negotiate a higher rate at hire? Did you try? I would be a bit ruffled if a new hire accepted an offer and wanted a raise at three months if I thought they found the original offer to be acceptable. I have hired people at one rate, with the expectation that at 90 days it would go to $x rate.

Regardless I would not bring it up ahead of the meeting. I would wait until she gives you a great review than present her with your reasons for an increase and a specific proposal. Let her know at that time that you realize she will most likely need to evaluate the budget but if she could let you know at her earliest possibility as you will make other arrangements if it is not feasible, and allow them time to do the same.

I agree with this. Presumably you agreed to the salary offered so as a hiring manager I would be totally puzzled that you wanted it revisited after three months (unless the scope of your job dramatically changed).

If I remember correctly glitzyglow tried to negotiate and the salary was firm. 

[dreamcrisp1]

How did it go today, glitzyglow?

[glitzyglow]

Jun 4, 2015 22:07:54 GMT -5 dreamcrisp1 said:

How did it go today, glitzyglow?

Boss said we'll discuss it in tomorrow's review (it got pushed to Friday). Thanks for asking!

[pandora]

Jun 5, 2015 0:48:01 GMT -5 glitzyglow said:

Jun 4, 2015 22:07:54 GMT -5 dreamcrisp1 said:

How did it go today, glitzyglow?

Boss said we'll discuss it in tomorrow's review (it got pushed to Friday). Thanks for asking!

GL!!

[winecat]

Jun 5, 2015 0:48:01 GMT -5 glitzyglow said:

Jun 4, 2015 22:07:54 GMT -5 dreamcrisp1 said:

How did it go today, glitzyglow?

Boss said we'll discuss it in tomorrow's review (it got pushed to Friday). Thanks for asking!

Big money, no whammies!

[glitzyglow]

Boss rescheduled meeting to Monday. Fucking sigh.

[alicenelson]

Sending positive vibes your way, glitzyglow.  Don't know what time your review was scheduled...but hope it is/was successful.

[glitzyglow]

It didn't happen yet again. Never heard from her and from what I heard, she left early. Neither did the evaluation of another girl who was supposed to have hers happen today. I'm off until Thursday now.

[alicenelson]

Oh, come ON, man!

[winecat]

Jun 8, 2015 18:49:59 GMT -5 glitzyglow said:

It didn't happen yet again. Never heard from her and from what I heard, she left early. Neither did the evaluation of another girl who was supposed to have hers happen today. I'm off until Thursday now.

Whut??  You get some asinine and unsubstantiated "complaint" on Friday and she skips your review twice without notifying you?  WTF is wrong with her?

Make sure to keep detailed notes about what is going on here.  Something isn't right obviously. 

[dreamcrisp1]

I was thinking about this today. Something isn't right and your manager is terrible.

First, she keeps putting off your review, which you are entitled too. Then, someone complains and she just emails you about it. What is going on here?

[glitzyglow]

I am keeping notes, although I don't think much will come from it. This is also happening to another coworker. She apparently received the same exact complaint email I did and her review was supposed to happen but has yet to. A 3rd coworker did not receive the email, but like us, she still has not received her 90 day evaluation when she was told it would happen last week (the three of us were hired in together).

I have no idea what is going on with her. dreamcrisp1, I have no idea what is going on here other than seeing that my manager is handling this so unprofessionally. I am actively hunting for a new job over and I am going to reach out to a temp agency to see what is available.

[bl]

Is there another person in leadership or HR that you can talk to because this is absolutely unacceptable behavior. I would get my ass written up for treating a teammate like this.

[seabitch]

Very unprofessional of them to treat you and the two others this way. I would also reach out to HR or someone in leadership to get resolution.

[gault]

Yes, it's not even that she is late with your reviews (which happens often), but that she promised your review on several different dates now, and has bailed on all of them without explanation. I'm really sorry this is happening.

[glitzyglow]

Thank everyone for the concern. There is no HR, unfortunately. There are right around 25 people who work here, so it's not set up in a fashion to where I have someone higher than my boss to approach about the situation. From what I can tell in the employee handbook, she is 2nd in command. Her boss is not someone who I think would do anything about that situation. In my short time, he has made some serious errors that have had major repercussions at my work. He doesn't seem very astute at his job.