How do I get a cat to leave us alone?

[flex]

Oct 20, 2015 15:23:16 GMT -5 boxerdog said:

Hooo boy. I am way late but some of y'all are being deliberately obtuse in this thread. Cats are a non-native, invasive predator that humans brought to North America. And they kill songbirds, reptiles and amphibians, and other native wildlife.

pandorica I got you!

And FWIW there is plenty of good science to show that trap-neuter-release doesn't work to control populations. And there are ethical and legal issues with releasing a nonnative species back into the wild. It's the same as releasing a python in Florida.

And so do pumas, lynx, bobcats and ocelots!

ETA: And Caucasians.

[pandorica]

Oct 20, 2015 15:23:16 GMT -5 boxerdog said:

Hooo boy. I am way late but some of y'all are being deliberately obtuse in this thread. Cats are a non-native, invasive predator that humans brought to North America. And they kill songbirds, reptiles and amphibians, and other native wildlife.

pandorica I got you!

And FWIW there is plenty of good science to show that trap-neuter-release doesn't work to control populations. And there are ethical and legal issues with releasing a nonnative species back into the wild. It's the same as releasing a python in Florida.

I think I love you.

BTW I was going to tag you, but didn't want to drag you in

[knx9211]

They introduced fishers into our area to combat the porcupine population or some shit. 1) I've never seen a porcupine near me. 2) I'm glad I've never seen a fisher because I hear they're scary as fuck

[elleblue]

I was originally coming in to post something about Animal Planet naming the house cat as one of the most dangerous predators because that always struck me as amusing but...uh. 

[waffletime]

Oct 20, 2015 15:42:52 GMT -5 knx9211 said:

They introduced fishers into our area to combat the porcupine population or some shit. 1) I've never seen a porcupine near me. 2) I'm glad I've never seen a fisher because I hear they're scary as fuck

Fishers are the fucking worst. We lost a lot of chickens to them over the years.

[tamarindy]

Like pythons in the Everglades. Now I have fucking heard it all!

You are really dumb, boxerdog.

[wampuscat]

Oct 20, 2015 15:42:52 GMT -5 knx9211 said:

They introduced fishers into our area to combat the porcupine population or some shit. 1) I've never seen a porcupine near me. 2) I'm glad I've never seen a fisher because I hear they're scary as fuck

Ok, if THAT was following my family, that's probably something to be legit terrified about.

[knx9211]

Oct 20, 2015 15:54:04 GMT -5 wampuscat said:

Oct 20, 2015 15:42:52 GMT -5 knx9211 said:

They introduced fishers into our area to combat the porcupine population or some shit. 1) I've never seen a porcupine near me. 2) I'm glad I've never seen a fisher because I hear they're scary as fuck

Ok, if THAT was following my family, that's probably something to be legit terrified about.

The scariest thing is that, when not attacking and eating everything you love and hold dear, they have the potential to look adorable

Right before they eat your face off.

[wampuscat]

Oct 20, 2015 15:58:42 GMT -5 knx9211 said:

Oct 20, 2015 15:54:04 GMT -5 wampuscat said:

Ok, if THAT was following my family, that's probably something to be legit terrified about.

The scariest thing is that, when not attacking and eating everything you love and hold dear, they have the potential to look adorable

Right before they eat your face off.

LOL. That IS pretty adorable looking... when it's not mauling something.

[LeggsBenedict]

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

[Ohhmm(bligo)]

Oct 20, 2015 16:01:06 GMT -5 LeggsBenedict said:

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

[boxerdog]

Oct 20, 2015 15:40:43 GMT -5 mp said:

Humans killing animals to prevent animals killing other animals. I dunno, we are supposed to be the more advanced ones here. Thinking of long term solutions. boxerdog you're annoying.

Killing for the sake of killing is just short sighted. Let's think preventative here, yo.

When we were the ones who introduced the animals in the first place, then yeah, we need to do something about it.

Look, I'm not just some bloodthirsty psycho, but invasive species are a huge problem that humans created, so I think it's our responsibility to do something about it. A solution that is backed up by science.

[knx9211]

Oct 20, 2015 16:01:06 GMT -5 LeggsBenedict said:

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

I saw the most pitiful cat fight when we were on vacation. One dick gray cat walked up to this big orange cat and just whacked him across the face. The orange cat just sat there staring at him like "WTF man? I'm just fucking sitting here." And then they just stared at each other for a while.

[boxerdog]

Oct 20, 2015 15:52:24 GMT -5 tamarindy said:

Like pythons in the Everglades. Now I have fucking heard it all!

You are really dumb, boxerdog.

Both are releasing a predator back into an ecosystem where it doesn't belong. The only difference is one is cute and fuzzy.

[pedanticwench]

I LOVE CATS.

gizmodo.com/sorry-cat-lovers-cats-are-an-invasive-species-too-1512174761
www.nature.com/ncomms/journal/v4/n1/full/ncomms2380.html
www.dfg.ca.gov/wildlife/nongame/nuis_exo/dom_cat/

[boxerdog]

Oct 20, 2015 15:39:39 GMT -5 pandorica said:

Oct 20, 2015 15:23:16 GMT -5 boxerdog said:

Hooo boy. I am way late but some of y'all are being deliberately obtuse in this thread. Cats are a non-native, invasive predator that humans brought to North America. And they kill songbirds, reptiles and amphibians, and other native wildlife.

pandorica I got you!

And FWIW there is plenty of good science to show that trap-neuter-release doesn't work to control populations. And there are ethical and legal issues with releasing a nonnative species back into the wild. It's the same as releasing a python in Florida.

I think I love you.

BTW I was going to tag you, but didn't want to drag you in

(heart) One of my hot-button topics. Unforch we are outnumbered by cat lovers here. Oh well.

[boxerdog]

Oct 20, 2015 16:07:00 GMT -5 mp said:

Oct 20, 2015 16:04:25 GMT -5 boxerdog said:

When we were the ones who introduced the animals in the first place, then yeah, we need to do something about it.

Look, I'm not just some bloodthirsty psycho, but invasive species are a huge problem that humans created, so I think it's our responsibility to do something about it. A solution that is backed up by science.

Did you even read anything I posted?

How, for many species, it's been shown that they'll reproduce at larger rates when there is a great population loss?

No one is saying do nothing. I, at least, am saying "let's think long term since killing animals once is not a sustainable solution. Not a humane one."

I am a biologist. I understand compensatory reproduction. But, there are many studies that show TNR doesn't work.

I happen to think that euthanasia is more humane than a domesticated animal spending a life outdoors where it has a higher risk of disease, being hit by cars, higher risk of predation, etc etc.

[Ohhmm(bligo)]

It's even worse, actually. Cats + Chickens > Pythons.



Someone call the Avengers.

[wampuscat]

[flex]

Oct 20, 2015 16:04:25 GMT -5 boxerdog said:

Oct 20, 2015 15:40:43 GMT -5 mp said:

Humans killing animals to prevent animals killing other animals. I dunno, we are supposed to be the more advanced ones here. Thinking of long term solutions. boxerdog you're annoying.

Killing for the sake of killing is just short sighted. Let's think preventative here, yo.

When we were the ones who introduced the animals in the first place, then yeah, we need to do something about it.

Look, I'm not just some bloodthirsty psycho, but invasive species are a huge problem that humans created, so I think it's our responsibility to do something about it. A solution that is backed up by science.

[flex]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the OP referring to a basic neighborhood cat as opposed to a feral cat? Because yeah...

[Ohhmm(bligo)]

Oct 20, 2015 16:12:59 GMT -5 flex said:

Oct 20, 2015 16:04:25 GMT -5 boxerdog said:

When we were the ones who introduced the animals in the first place, then yeah, we need to do something about it.

Look, I'm not just some bloodthirsty psycho, but invasive species are a huge problem that humans created, so I think it's our responsibility to do something about it. A solution that is backed up by science.

[LeggsBenedict]

Oct 20, 2015 15:52:24 GMT -5 tamarindy said:

Like pythons in the Everglades. Now I have fucking heard it all!

You are really dumb, boxerdog.

I don't get it.

[pedanticwench]

Oct 20, 2015 16:15:16 GMT -5 flex said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the OP referring to a basic neighborhood cat as opposed to a feral cat? Because yeah...

Honestly, though, cats that are considered pets but whose owners let them roam outside are problem, too. Not as much as feral, though.

[cajunmom]

Oct 20, 2015 16:11:53 GMT -5 boxerdog said:

Oct 20, 2015 16:07:00 GMT -5 mp said:

Did you even read anything I posted?

How, for many species, it's been shown that they'll reproduce at larger rates when there is a great population loss?

No one is saying do nothing. I, at least, am saying "let's think long term since killing animals once is not a sustainable solution. Not a humane one."

I am a biologist. I understand compensatory reproduction. But, there are many studies that show TNR doesn't work.

I happen to think that euthanasia is more humane than a domesticated animal spending a life outdoors where it has a higher risk of disease, being hit by cars, higher risk of predation, etc etc.

Humane as in a kill-shelter humane? Because fuck you if you think that is humane. And don't say that it doesn't happen like this any more because it most definitely does.

**This is truly a heartbreaking video so fair warning. You probably don't want to watch it.**

[boxerdog]

Oct 20, 2015 16:26:22 GMT -5 mofongo said:

Oct 20, 2015 16:11:53 GMT -5 boxerdog said:

I am a biologist. I understand compensatory reproduction. But, there are many studies that show TNR doesn't work.

I happen to think that euthanasia is more humane than a domesticated animal spending a life outdoors where it has a higher risk of disease, being hit by cars, higher risk of predation, etc etc.

So you want to kill all of the cats?

I don't want to kill anything. But, it would be better for native wildlife populations if there were no free-roaming cats.

[boxerdog]

Oct 20, 2015 16:40:25 GMT -5 mofongo said:

Oct 20, 2015 16:37:40 GMT -5 boxerdog said:

I don't want to kill anything. But, it would be better for native wildlife populations if there were no free-roaming cats.

Right, but wouldn't the cats be causing these issues regardless of where they were, even if they had never moved from their native location? Lots of animals have moved on from where they were originally found.

Domestic cats are descended from a North African species. Their prey species there evolved with them. Wildlife here in North America didn't evolve with cats as a predator so they don't have the adaptations to withstand their predation.

[jigsy]

Oct 20, 2015 16:37:40 GMT -5 boxerdog said:

Oct 20, 2015 16:26:22 GMT -5 mofongo said:

So you want to kill all of the cats?

I don't want to kill anything. But, it would be better for native wildlife populations if there were no free-roaming cats.

It would be better for the native wildlife population if there were no free-roaming humans too...so, hey, if you see any doughnuts surrounded by a three sided metal type enclosure thing...well, hell, just go for it, what's the worst thing that can happen.

ETA: Though I just realized the a TNR program is really not something we'd want to approach to help control the human population too...so...I am clearly being factitious.

[Ohhmm(bligo)]

Oct 20, 2015 16:46:27 GMT -5 mofongo said:

Oct 20, 2015 16:43:55 GMT -5 boxerdog said:

Domestic cats are descended from a North African species. Their prey species there evolved with them. Wildlife here in North America didn't evolve with cats as a predator so they don't have the adaptations to withstand their predation.

So I guess the cats will take us all out as the years go on...

Um, SwaggerCat tries to do this every day. He's just really evolved??

[pandorica]

Oct 20, 2015 16:07:20 GMT -5 boxerdog said:

Oct 20, 2015 15:39:39 GMT -5 pandorica said:

I think I love you.

BTW I was going to tag you, but didn't want to drag you in

(heart) One of my hot-button topics. Unforch we are outnumbered by cat lovers here. Oh well.

I love being called dumb and ignorant when this is what we actually went to school for and fully understand the science behind it And I'm a cat lover!