26 days of kindness vs. these f*cking truthers re: Sandy Hoo

[summer]

I really like the 26 days of kindness idea. And then I get to the end of the article and goddammit NO! Now I want to set these mf'ing truthers on fire. Read the last sentence *throws computer against the wall**

news.yahoo.com/newtown-sandy-hook-3rd-anniversary-181459666.html

Flags are flying at half-staff across Connecticut to mark the third anniversary of the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, where 26 people, including 20 children, were killed in one of the deadliest school shootings in U.S. history. But there will be no mention of the shootings inside the town's elementary schools on Monday — the first time the anniversary of the massacre has fallen on school day.



Grief counselors were dispatched to all seven of Newtown's public schools, including Sandy Hook, which has been temporarily housed in a retrofitted school in nearby Monroe, Conn., since the Dec. 14, 2012, tragedy.



An interfaith gathering was scheduled for Monday night at Trinity Church, where local religious leaders will lead a special memorial service for community members. But as has been the case in previous years, the town is not planning any events to mark the anniversary, opting to allow families to grieve privately.



Instead, Newtown residents have spent the last month honoring Sandy Hook victims by participating in “26 days of kindness,” with a dedicated Twitter feed posting a tweet per day in memory of each of the lives lost.




Earlier this month, the group paused its “26 days of kindness” to express its solidarity with the victims of the San Bernardino, Calif., mass shooting.

At least 555 children younger than 12 have been killed by gunshots in the three years since the mass shooting in Newtown, according to NBC News analysis published Monday. That figure — which represents an average of one child every other day — includes both intentional and accidental gun deaths, though it’s “likely significantly lower than the true number of child gun deaths” because “suicides often are not covered by news media and other gun deaths sometimes go unreported.”



Outside the National Rifle Association’s headquarters in Fairfax, Va., gun control activists held a vigil for the victims — and urged Congress to stand up to the gun rights lobby.



Among them was Andy Parker, whose daughter, WDBJ-TV reporter Alison Parker, was shot and killed along with her cameraman during a live broadcast in Roanoke. Parker has since become a vocal critic of the NRA.

Meanwhile, Nicole Hockley, whose 6-year-old son, Dylan, was among the Sandy Hook shooting victims, has been visiting schools around the country with Sandy Hook Promise, promoting school safety and challenging students to help prevent gun violence.



Lenny Pozner, whose 6-year-old son, Noah, was also killed in the rampage, has spent the last three years confronting conspiracy theorists who claim the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School was staged by “crisis actors” hired by the U.S. government to promote gun control.


Pozner has often countered the so-called hoaxers by posting photos of his son — and his death certificate.



“I know that the more garbage that is out there, the more it ages over time, the more the myth becomes accepted as a disgusting historical fact that tries to dismiss the existence of my child,” Pozner said in an interview published by Vice.com. “I mean, damn it, his life had value. He existed. He was real. How dare they.”



Pozner says even tried to meet face-to-face with one of them, Wolfgang Halbig, an Orlando, Fla., “school safety and security expert” who launched a website to “expose” the truth about the Sandy Hook shootings:

[Pozner] thought that perhaps if he could show Halbig the documents in person, he and the rest of the hoaxers might at last relent. “I wanted to be as transparent as possible,” Pozner says. “I thought keeping the documents private would only feed the conspiracy.”



When Pozner did not receive a reply from Halbig, he contacted Kelley Watt, one of the more aggressive hoaxers who showed up on his Google+ page. Watt wrote back on Halbig’s behalf. “Wolfgang does not wish to speak with you,” her note said, “unless you exhume Noah’s body and prove to the world you lost your son.”

[One Girl In All The World]

OMG that last sentence. I don't understand how people can be so heinous. 

[jojoandleo]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKK THEM.

[Velar Fricative]

OMFG

[summer]

Oh, Wolfgang wants to run around and deny what happened to their child, but "Wolfgang doesn't want to talk to [them] right now?" Really? Um, but I do want to talk right now so bring your ass outside. Thesssse people....aaargh!

[katietornado]

First, fuck them.

But second, where the fuck are all these gun grabs and new gun laws after Sandy Hook that were the reason for "the government" to "stage" this incident in the first place? They don't exist. So I don't understand why we need conspiracy theories around it.

[WOT?*]

I'm a generally tolerant person for the most part, but I truly wanted to reach through the screen and punch a couple people in the throats. Namely Wolfgang Halbig and Kelley Watt. And anyone else who thinks like these two awful people.

[summer]

OMG, the comments. THE COMMENTS!!!!!!

[readyin07]

Agreed that all these people are fucking horrific.

I spent a lot of time yesterday thinking about the victims, both dead and alive. It haunts me to think of those children who were there, what December means to them instead of snow days and Santa Claus, what nightmares must infiltrate their sweet dreams. Tragedy doesn't even begin to touch it.

[katietornado]

Dec 15, 2015 14:15:20 GMT -5 summer said:

OMG, the comments. THE COMMENTS!!!!!!

No.

I cannot fathom the mindset required to see an article about 26 dead people (mostly children), and think it's a great place to spout off conspiracy theories about guns and the government and why the murder rate isn't so bad and psychiatry and how institutionalizing 2000 mentally ill people will make this all go away.

THESE TWENTY SIX PEOPLE ARE DEAD.  NONE OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING CAN CHANGE THIS FACT.

[Velar Fricative]

"Truthers" exhibit precisely the type of mental illness that should prohibit them from owning firearms, IMO. So reading about them does not make me feel positive things about the state of our gun culture.

[cattledogkisses]

Even if he did humor them and exhume his son's body, they would still find something to point a finger at.

These people live in their own sociopathic invented fantasy land.

[Deleted]

These people live in a fantasy world. I responded to one guy who commented "Pretty suspicious they all had closed caskets isn't it?" With no, assclown, if you took 3 seconds to think about what an AR-15 will do to a six year old's body, you would know exactly why the caskets were closed. Parents had to identify these children by their clothing because they were unrecognizable otherwise - thanks to these military grade weapons that the average citizen just HAS to have.

Argh!!

[readyin07]

Dec 15, 2015 14:51:02 GMT -5 @bugginnine said:

These people live in a fantasy world. I responded to one guy who commented "Pretty suspicious they all had closed caskets isn't it?" With no, assclown, if you took 3 seconds to think about what an AR-15 will do to a six year old's body, you would know exactly why the caskets were closed. Parents had to identify these children by their clothing because they were unrecognizable otherwise - thanks to these military grade weapons that the average citizen just HAS to have.

Argh!!

I did not read the comments. That is fucking outrageous. Outrageous.

[jln]

Dec 15, 2015 14:51:02 GMT -5 @bugginnine said:

These people live in a fantasy world. I responded to one guy who commented "Pretty suspicious they all had closed caskets isn't it?" With no, assclown, if you took 3 seconds to think about what an AR-15 will do to a six year old's body, you would know exactly why the caskets were closed. Parents had to identify these children by their clothing because they were unrecognizable otherwise - thanks to these military grade weapons that the average citizen just HAS to have.

Argh!!

This makes my blood boil. I hate these truthers.

I've been to an open-casket funeral of someone that died by (self-inflicted) gunfire. No one needs to see that. These babies should always be remembered by their happy school photos, not what these chucklefucks hope to see.

[2curlydogs]

Dec 15, 2015 14:51:02 GMT -5 @bugginnine said:

These people live in a fantasy world. I responded to one guy who commented "Pretty suspicious they all had closed caskets isn't it?" With no, assclown, if you took 3 seconds to think about what an AR-15 will do to a six year old's body, you would know exactly why the caskets were closed. Parents had to identify these children by their clothing because they were unrecognizable otherwise - thanks to these military grade weapons that the average citizen just HAS to have.

Argh!!

Not only that but, if I remember correctly, the Ponzer family explicitly had an open casket funeral so people could see exactly what an AR-15 did.


ETA: BTW, don't google that, either. You'll just end up angry. er.


www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/2013/01/22/mallick_why_newtown_victim_noah_pozner_had_an_open_coffin.html

[ECB]

This makes me want to cry. It's vile. so, so vile. All of these "truthers".

[ECB]

Dec 15, 2015 15:05:17 GMT -5 jln said:

  These babies should always be remembered by their happy school photos, not what these chucklefucks hope to see.

I dont even know what it would "prove" to these assholes either.  If they got to see every casket opened - what would that prove to them?  What would they do with it? 

They ask for this but reality is it isn't even what they really want.

[litebright]

Dec 15, 2015 13:05:15 GMT -5 katietornado said:

First, fuck them.

But second, where the fuck are all these gun grabs and new gun laws after Sandy Hook that were the reason for "the government" to "stage" this incident in the first place? They don't exist. So I don't understand why we need conspiracy theories around it.

If anything, more states have LOOSENED gun laws since Sandy Hook than tightened them. How about that for fucking depressing? 

www.journalgazette.net/news/us/States-begin-to-loosen-gun-laws-10446857

But in the three years since, many states have moved in the opposite direction, embracing the National Rifle Association’s axiom that more “good guys with guns” are needed to deter mass shootings.

In Kansas, gun owners can now carry concealed weapons without obtaining a license. In Texas, those with permits will soon be able to carry openly in holsters and bring concealed weapons into some college classrooms. And in Arkansas, gun enthusiasts may be able to carry weapons into polling places next year when they vote for president.

Dozens of new state laws have made it easier to obtain guns and carry them in more public places and made it harder for local governments to enact restrictions, according to a review of state legislation by The Associated Press. The number of guns manufactured and sold and the number of permits to carry concealed weapons also have increased, data show.

[summer]

So if this happened under a pro-gun president, would they still believe the whole thing to be a hoax?

[emisi]

Even IF one of these poor families exhumed their kid and showed the truthers the body, they would just claim it was the body of another dead kid. Because it's not proof they're looking for, really, it's a way to be paranoid and buy more guns.

[2curlydogs]

Dec 15, 2015 15:45:54 GMT -5 summer said:

So if this happened under a pro-gun president, would they still believe the whole thing to be a hoax?

Depends if he were black. Cause you won't convince me race isn't a factor here, too.

[jillboston]

I really think I'm going to puke. exhume..I can't.

[2curlydogs]

Dec 15, 2015 16:03:15 GMT -5 jillboston said:

I really think I'm going to puke. exhume..I can't.

The Pozners have been at the center of this since the beginning. I honestly don't know how they've done it with such grace. I would burn shit down if someone told me to do this.

[summer]

Dec 15, 2015 16:04:23 GMT -5 2curlydogs said:

Dec 15, 2015 16:03:15 GMT -5 jillboston said:

I really think I'm going to puke. exhume..I can't.

The Pozners have been at the center of this since the beginning. I honestly don't know how they've done it with such grace. I would burn shit down if someone told me to do this.

I would have gone full crazy by now. And you can't reason with these people. That would be like trying to reason with an ISIS terrorist. It is the exact same level of pure insanity. God Himself could come down and say otherwise, and I am 100% sure they would tell God where He could go.