So, are we talking about that MMM thread..

[alexis]

Jan 25, 2016 23:27:04 GMT -5 Alex said:

Jan 25, 2016 23:02:43 GMT -5 05heel said:

If you all start that baby clothes nonsense again I'm goIng to start posting my baked good of the day. And if I don't have anything freshly baked I'm going to go on at length about my most recent flour acquisitions and storage methods. Do you know why I don't do this already, even though fucking everybody loves bread and cake? Of course you do. Of course you do.

You do.

Ewe dew.

This would be my favorite thread ever.
I love my flour storage cabinet.

I love mine too. For my birthday one year my H bought containers to store and organize all my flours. When he was done he asked me how many flours I thought I had. I guessed that I probably had about 15. He informed me that I had 30. Thirty! They've been much easier to use since he organized them. I've acquired a few more since then.

I also had a mystery white powder. It turned out to be vital wheat gluten.

[speckledfrog]

Jan 26, 2016 0:07:04 GMT -5 alexis said:

Jan 25, 2016 23:27:04 GMT -5 Alex said:

This would be my favorite thread ever.
I love my flour storage cabinet.

I love mine too. For my birthday one year my H bought containers to store and organize all my flours. When he was done he asked me how many flours I thought I had. I guessed that I probably had about 15. He informed me that I had 30. Thirty! They've been much easier to use since he organized them. I've acquired a few more since then.

I also had a mystery white powder. It turned out to be vital wheat gluten.

I have some of that, too. Apparently I had some really grand plans at some point.    

[Deleted]

Jan 25, 2016 15:42:26 GMT -5 @fkasmace said:

Jan 25, 2016 15:40:15 GMT -5 flex said:

Oooooh...really???  ::hikes up skirts and runs off to MMM::


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That's the only part I think I understood. That k would, lovingly, shoot Miso before she'd let miso wear ugly Lularoe or however you spell it.

Oh come on. That was hardly the craziest part of that post. Those clothes are awful.

I did read the whole thing and, honestly, think it would be kinder and more appropriate to let the Kirkette angle go. I get she said awful things to some of you and if I were the recipient of that I'd be out for blood, but as someone who has met her IRL, I'm just more concerned than anything else and wish people would drop it.

My favorite part, though, was when everyone kept talking about the Cuban chicken as the race wars were waging. That right there was pure classic.

[muffin0]

Jan 25, 2016 22:24:49 GMT -5 eclaires said:

Jan 25, 2016 22:19:23 GMT -5 @tambcat said:

Why does it always come back to baby clothes??

Because baby clothes are everything that is good and right in this world. I mean, have you seen this year's Janie and Jack swimsuits? I live for those.

(I'm only sort of kidding)

The ones I bought last year where such shit quality and one was weirdly sized I'm not sure i can do it again

[v]

Jan 26, 2016 2:49:54 GMT -5 elle said:

Jan 25, 2016 15:42:26 GMT -5 @fkasmace said:

That's the only part I think I understood. That k would, lovingly, shoot Miso before she'd let miso wear ugly Lularoe or however you spell it.

Oh come on. That was hardly the craziest part of that post. Those clothes are awful.

I did read the whole thing and, honestly, think it would be kinder and more appropriate to let the Kirkette angle go. I get she said awful things to some of you and if I were the recipient of that I'd be out for blood, but as someone who has met her IRL, I'm just more concerned than anything else and wish people would drop it.

My favorite part, though, was when everyone kept talking about the Cuban chicken as the race wars were waging. That right there was pure classic.

Hey now, it was Peruvian chicken!

All look same?

[eclaires]

Jan 26, 2016 6:54:09 GMT -5 muffin0 said:

Jan 25, 2016 22:24:49 GMT -5 eclaires said:

Because baby clothes are everything that is good and right in this world. I mean, have you seen this year's Janie and Jack swimsuits? I live for those.

(I'm only sort of kidding)

The ones I bought last year where such shit quality and one was weirdly sized I'm not sure i can do it again

Oh really? Which ones did you buy? We have several from last year and they fit well and held up well - we will probably get another year out of them.

I did only buy ones that had boy short style legs because that's the only style that fits my daughter well.

[eclaires]

Jan 26, 2016 4:39:07 GMT -5 pennypenny said:

I'm just finishing this thread because kids man. But I feel like this was right at the point of a breakthrough and then jokes were made and then LLR and baby clothes. It reminds me of the Stephen Colbert interview with DeRay McKesson from BLM. Instead of sticking with substance and actual change it became a time for a joke when the convo got to serious. And it is the ultimate privilege to be like I don't want to deal with this serious issue any more and now I am on baby clothes or whatever.

And believe I am the last person who wants every post to be a teachable moment because it is fucking exhausting to be that teacher all the damn time. But now it feels like all the contributions made were for nothing because now oh ugly LLR and baby clothes.

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I'm really sorry for my part in this - I didn't really pay attention when I was quoted by @bunnybean and just responded. I just went through my notifications, and ASSumed the thread had moved on since LLR was brought up again.

[dirtyred]

Jan 25, 2016 23:37:30 GMT -5 05heel said:

Jan 25, 2016 23:33:07 GMT -5 @tambcat said:

I find everything you say fascinating.

I have a kitchen drawer dedicated to biscuit and donut cutters. My H gets so mad when I refer him to the "biscuit section", which I do as often as possible.

My baking addiction has taken over 4 kitchen cabinets, and there's a metal storage shelf in the basement where all of my cookie cutters (in labeled boxes for each holiday/occasion) and decorating supplies (also in several labeled boxes) are.  And I could still use some more space because I want to get some of the cool shaped Nordic Ware cake pans....

[annieblah]

Jan 26, 2016 7:35:31 GMT -5 eclaires said:

Jan 26, 2016 4:39:07 GMT -5 pennypenny said:

I'm just finishing this thread because kids man. But I feel like this was right at the point of a breakthrough and then jokes were made and then LLR and baby clothes. It reminds me of the Stephen Colbert interview with DeRay McKesson from BLM. Instead of sticking with substance and actual change it became a time for a joke when the convo got to serious. And it is the ultimate privilege to be like I don't want to deal with this serious issue any more and now I am on baby clothes or whatever.

And believe I am the last person who wants every post to be a teachable moment because it is fucking exhausting to be that teacher all the damn time. But now it feels like all the contributions made were for nothing because now oh ugly LLR and baby clothes.

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I'm really sorry for my part in this - I didn't really pay attention when I was quoted by @bunnybean and just responded. I just went through my notifications, and ASSumed the thread had moved on since LLR was brought up again.

it w as throughout the whole thread, so it wasn't any shift. And people that points were made to didn't see it/want to see thE issue some posters (rightfully) had so I wish it was a breakthrough type of thread. It was teachable for those reading more than anything I think (hope) and the clothes talk didn't hurt that, I don't believe.

[winnieandwine]

pennypenny, if it makes you feel even a little bit better -- regardless of how the conversation ended, I'm sure quite a few of us took something away from it. that's progress, right?

sfy's post reminded me to be more cognizant of how my words could be construed as specifically targeting POC. we all should be aware of the historical/social context of the language we choose, regardless of our intentions.

[05heel]

Breakthrough about what, exactly? That Booby ain't shit? That's old news. She's been not shit on topics like this off and on over the years. I think some of you all expect way too much out of these race discussions. Water is wet and some people ain't shit. That's the gist of it. No different than BLM. No they don't. End of replies.

[eclaires]

Jan 26, 2016 8:40:05 GMT -5 pennypenny said:

Jan 26, 2016 7:35:31 GMT -5 eclaires said:

I'm really sorry for my part in this - I didn't really pay attention when I was quoted by @bunnybean and just responded. I just went through my notifications, and ASSumed the thread had moved on since LLR was brought up again.

I was not blaming any one person and I think that you are definitely someone who cares about race issues, so I have no issues with you AT ALL. But the ones who are like I can't see why x.y.z is a big deal to you, stop being so sensitive...yeah, they were looking for any switch from that subject and welcomed the other topics because it is not something they want to address or acknowledge.

I definitely see what you are saying, and I think it's a good reminder for me to pay attention because I don't want to contribute to helping others ignore or change the subject. I don't want to make it easier to avoid because I do think it's important that we have these discussions!

[v]

Jan 26, 2016 8:21:33 GMT -5 @stilljustash said:

Jan 26, 2016 7:29:46 GMT -5 v said:

Hey now, it was Peruvian chicken!

All look same?

I didn't quote this before you edited, but don't think your little "#microagressions" went unnoticed.

you're not slick.

I did not intend to be slick. I edited it because I realized it was flippant in a place where I didn't want it to be flippant in that way.

But seriously -- if you're going to say that conversation about ethnic food (which had been called "not nice" upthread) was inappropriate in a conversation about race, maybe don't confuse Cuban and Peruvian. Is that not a microaggression?

[Deleted]

Jan 26, 2016 7:29:46 GMT -5 v said:

Jan 26, 2016 2:49:54 GMT -5 elle said:

Oh come on. That was hardly the craziest part of that post. Those clothes are awful.

I did read the whole thing and, honestly, think it would be kinder and more appropriate to let the Kirkette angle go. I get she said awful things to some of you and if I were the recipient of that I'd be out for blood, but as someone who has met her IRL, I'm just more concerned than anything else and wish people would drop it.

My favorite part, though, was when everyone kept talking about the Cuban chicken as the race wars were waging. That right there was pure classic.

Hey now, it was Peruvian chicken!

All look same?

Before you edited out #microaggressions out, is yet another example of what MANY of us are talking about.

Hehe, so funny. No. Our lives and the issues we face aren't funny, and haven't been taken seriously for decades.

Why in a post discussing such issues would you go there? Deep in my heart I do believe when people say they are listening and trying to learn (not sure if you've ever said that), but then a lot of the time it's the same shit, different day....and that's what makes people mad, upset and try to have teachable moments. But it's all so exhausting.

Most of us have a sense of humor, but at this moment, nope, not funny or cute.

[cville]

Jan 26, 2016 8:48:55 GMT -5 v said:

Jan 26, 2016 8:21:33 GMT -5 @stilljustash said:

I didn't quote this before you edited, but don't think your little "#microagressions" went unnoticed.

you're not slick.

I did not intend to be slick. I edited it because I realized it was flippant in a place where I didn't want it to be flippant in that way.

But seriously -- if you're going to say that conversation about ethnic food (which had been called "not nice" upthread) was inappropriate in a conversation about race, maybe don't confuse Cuban and Peruvian. Is that not a microaggression?

You've got to be kidding me. You're taking up for the "ethnicity" of motherfucking CHICKEN?

[callalily]

As a white girl in a VERY VERY non-diverse area, this is what took me the longest to understand. Reading in this community has really brought this to light for me and has helped me teach my children this. It is not tit for tat. You cannot compare racially charged micro-aggressions nor can you interchange them. It is about the intent and the background. There is no hateful motivation behind the differences in chicken. However with other micro-agressions towards POC in the US, there is a hateful motivation that spans decades. Once my eyes were opened to this, it really changed my thinking.

Please, correct me if I am wrong, but this is how I viewed it and REALLY made me think and adjust my thought processes.

[v]

Jan 26, 2016 8:55:56 GMT -5 cville said:

Jan 26, 2016 8:48:55 GMT -5 v said:

I did not intend to be slick. I edited it because I realized it was flippant in a place where I didn't want it to be flippant in that way.

But seriously -- if you're going to say that conversation about ethnic food (which had been called "not nice" upthread) was inappropriate in a conversation about race, maybe don't confuse Cuban and Peruvian. Is that not a microaggression?

You've got to be kidding me. You're taking up for the "ethnicity" of motherfucking CHICKEN?

You really don't think lumping several cultures' food together isn't offensive to the Peruvians who are not Cuban?

At any rate, off to a funeral so I'll be MIA for the rest of the day...

[cville]

Jan 26, 2016 9:11:40 GMT -5 v said:

Jan 26, 2016 8:55:56 GMT -5 cville said:

You've got to be kidding me. You're taking up for the "ethnicity" of motherfucking CHICKEN?

You really don't think lumping several cultures' food together isn't offensive to the Peruvians who are not Cuban?

At any rate, off to a funeral so I'll be MIA for the rest of the day...

Disingenuously obtuse doesn't look good on you.

[Deleted]

I'm just up in here liking stuff. I don't comment a ton in the race discussions, but reading them has really helped me understand things I didn't and led to some really interesting discussions with my black coworkers & friends. So thanks for having them here.

[05heel]

But really, if someone tells you flat out that they don't give a shit, what are you going to do? I know what I most certainly won't be doing. I don't humbly beseech, calmly discuss, or beg for understanding. At least not on here, and very rarely in real life. It's what makes me effective in my activism, so I won't be changing my approach for anyone.

BUT I can be nice and refrain from my usual thread derailment in certain situations, even though it's my favorite thing in the world to do. But it's not because I'm patiently waiting for or expecting some kind of breakthrough.

[iammalcolmx]

Jan 26, 2016 8:55:56 GMT -5 cville said:

Jan 26, 2016 8:48:55 GMT -5 v said:

I did not intend to be slick. I edited it because I realized it was flippant in a place where I didn't want it to be flippant in that way.

But seriously -- if you're going to say that conversation about ethnic food (which had been called "not nice" upthread) was inappropriate in a conversation about race, maybe don't confuse Cuban and Peruvian. Is that not a microaggression?

You've got to be kidding me. You're taking up for the "ethnicity" of motherfucking CHICKEN?

[pixy0stix]

Jan 26, 2016 8:33:58 GMT -5 05heel said:

Breakthrough about what, exactly? That Booby ain't shit? That's old news. She's been not shit on topics like this off and on over the years. I think some of you all expect way too much out of these race discussions. Water is wet and some people ain't shit. That's the gist of it. No different than BLM. No they don't. End of replies.

Booby hasn't quite figured out that some people will actually call her on her shit, even when she starts bleating that the other people are crazy. Then she pulls the flounce and outtie without actually reflecting on what just happened. It's pretty typical for her.

[Deleted]

Jan 26, 2016 9:51:34 GMT -5 iammalcolmx said:

Jan 26, 2016 8:55:56 GMT -5 cville said:

You've got to be kidding me. You're taking up for the "ethnicity" of motherfucking CHICKEN?

Yes, that literally made me laugh. 

For some reason I said "motherfucking chicken" in the voice of Sam L Jackson in my head and it added to the hilarity. 

[Deleted]

Jan 26, 2016 8:55:56 GMT -5 cville said:

Jan 26, 2016 8:48:55 GMT -5 v said:

I did not intend to be slick. I edited it because I realized it was flippant in a place where I didn't want it to be flippant in that way.

But seriously -- if you're going to say that conversation about ethnic food (which had been called "not nice" upthread) was inappropriate in a conversation about race, maybe don't confuse Cuban and Peruvian. Is that not a microaggression?

You've got to be kidding me. You're taking up for the "ethnicity" of motherfucking CHICKEN?

Thank you for fighting the good fight for all those chickens who are unable to speak for themselves. 

[agnes]

I've had some time to catch up on all this mess. But holy walls of text. And not just my dear @kirkette . I feel like I don't really have much to add, but I'm going to post anyway.

I can say that this board, GBCN as a whole, has taught me a lot about race issues that I wouldn't normally know about. It has taught me to be more aware of things I say and the impact the words might have. I may be a part of the innocuous thread derailments, because I don't feel like I can add much to a serious conversation. I let the more intelligent and coherent people do that for me. I am not the best with words. Why do you think most of my posts are only one or two sentences?

[pixy0stix]

I think you're giving booby too much power here, kirkette. She's really nothing in the grand scheme of things.

[iamgrace]

Omg. This is getting ridiculous now.

@kirkette, @booby is not after your children. She's not after you. This is just crazy. Yes crazy!!

[Lucy Honeychurch]

Jan 26, 2016 11:18:40 GMT -5 @kirkette said:

Jan 26, 2016 8:33:58 GMT -5 05heel said:

Breakthrough about what, exactly? That Booby ain't shit? That's old news. She's been not shit on topics like this off and on over the years. I think some of you all expect way too much out of these race discussions. Water is wet and some people ain't shit. That's the gist of it. No different than BLM. No they don't. End of replies.

But that's the problem, or  at least my problem with @booby .
I don't know her. I don't care to want to know her. I usually ignore her.
However, do I know for a fact that she is blatantly TARGETING ME, and it makes me highly uncomfortable especially since I have children.

Yes, I know I've been wordy and ranty lately. Yes, I know I've been frustrated. It's coming up more and more, because people keep cross posting drama, and ML loves a good fight or catfish story.  

However, what I don't understand, is why she won't stop, and why it's being glossed over because people are trying to be "nice".

 

Generally I really like you, but this is a bit bizarre coming from someone who nonchalantly said they pull strings to dispose of people through prosecution, firing, jail.  I found that a little chilling, honestly.  I don't see @pilotgrigio being genuinely threatening in any manner, even if she is going after you on the boards.

[W.T.Faulkner]

@kirkette, you know how I feel about you, and I don't want you to feel or be targeted. But I honestly don't think you need to worry about yourself or your girls here. 

[FastHands]

ok, really? I 100% understand being pissed off at what Booby said, and ok fine at making generalizations about her character/intentions if you feel it's warranted and care enough to do so. But she's not coming for your kids, @kirkette ! Good grief. Maybe you assume that's how people settle internet kerfuffles, but Booby has given no indication of that. She's picked up on the fact that some of the stuff you post is a little head-scratch-worthy at the minimum (and I think this situation could be an example of that, fwiw), and yes, expressed her view in an insensitive manner. Buuut that's really it. I don't think you need a restraining order. A hearty "fuck you" will probably be sufficient.