Ohio Primary

[wambam]

I know we discussed the logic here briefly, but I don't remember if there was a resolution. What is the best way to vote against Trump in the Ohio primary? Does voting for Kasich actually take delegates away from Trump?

I just looked and apparently my new polling location is a church that I can literally see from my driveway. So that's convenient.

[jeaniebueller]

If you are voting GOP, i would vote Kasich because he is within a few percentage points of Trump in the latest polling. If Kasich wins Ohio, it will be huge against slowing Trump's momentum. If Trump wins Ohio, its basically going to be over.

[pitterwoo]

If you're a Republican, yes the strategy if to vote for Kasich so he carries his home state. If you're Democrat, personally I think you should vote for your choice.

[tripleshot]

I'm in Ohio too and tying to strategize. It seems Kasich and Trump are close, but Hillary is supposed to win for sure. So the recommendation was to vote for Kasich to help him beat Trump. I'm nervous it'll backfire and Bernie will win. Tell me what to do!

[wambam]

Mar 14, 2016 10:25:35 GMT -5 jeaniebueller said:

If you are voting GOP, i would vote Kasich because he is within a few percentage points of Trump in the latest polling. If Kasich wins Ohio, it will be huge against slowing Trump's momentum. If Trump wins Ohio, its basically going to be over.

I am 97% certain that you can choose which ballot you get on the fly.

[chedifuen]

Mar 14, 2016 10:26:20 GMT -5 tripleshot said:

I'm in Ohio too and tying to strategize. It seems Kasich and Trump are close, but Hillary is supposed to win for sure. So the recommendation was to vote for Kasich to help him beat Trump. I'm nervous it'll backfire and Bernie will win. Tell me what to do!

She was supposed to win Michigan for sure and people thought it was safe to vote for Kasich to try and block Trump. Don't do it!

[tripleshot]

I just checked 538 and it has Kasich at 37.8 and Trump at 31.8. HRC at 58.9 and Bernie at 38.4. So it seems Kasich needs more votes to ensure trump doesn't get the delegates?

[tripleshot]

Mar 14, 2016 10:28:34 GMT -5 chedifuen said:

Mar 14, 2016 10:26:20 GMT -5 tripleshot said:

I'm in Ohio too and tying to strategize. It seems Kasich and Trump are close, but Hillary is supposed to win for sure. So the recommendation was to vote for Kasich to help him beat Trump. I'm nervous it'll backfire and Bernie will win. Tell me what to do!

She was supposed to win Michigan for sure and people thought it was safe to vote for Kasich to try and block Trump. Don't do it!

That's what I'm afraid of! I didn't follow the MI polls. Ok, I'll stick with HRC.

[wambam]

Mar 14, 2016 10:29:03 GMT -5 @littlemoxie said:

Ummm, HRC is not doing that well in Ohio and there was a recent ruling that 17 year olds who will be 18 by the November election can vote in the primary, which is bound to help Bernie.

If you actually want HRC to win in November, you should probably vote for her now.

Hillary was supposed to win Michigan for sure, too, people!

Edit: "that well" meaning up by so far in the polling that Bernie doesn't have a chance of overcoming it.  Demographics are similar to Michigan and they just allowed a bunch of younger voters to vote.

This is why I needed to talk this out. Thank you.

I am encouraging my H (who will certainly vote R) to vote for kasich, but I think I should vote HRC.

[somersault72]

There's a part of me that would like to vote R tomorrow (which is crazy because I agree with about zero of Kasich's views, but he doesn't outright terrify me like Trump does), but I think I'll just stick with HRC.

[shortstax]

Mar 14, 2016 10:26:34 GMT -5 wambam said:

Mar 14, 2016 10:25:35 GMT -5 jeaniebueller said:

If you are voting GOP, i would vote Kasich because he is within a few percentage points of Trump in the latest polling. If Kasich wins Ohio, it will be huge against slowing Trump's momentum. If Trump wins Ohio, its basically going to be over.

I am 97% certain that you can choose which ballot you get on the fly.

Yep, when you sign the poll book, there will be 4 bubbles beside the signature box:  Democrat, Republican, Green Party, Issues Only.

Fill in the bubble for whichever ballot you want. You don't even have to say it out loud.

[Deleted]

I think at this point, if you're a Democrat and want HRC as the nominee, voting for her is still important. I know Bernie is lagging behind in delegates, but still. The demographics of the upcoming primaries are more in his favor than some of the previous states were. Maybe after tomorrow if she has a more commanding lead we can rest a little easier.

If you're a Republican or don't have much preference between HRC and Bernie, then I'd definitely vote Kasich to help beat Trump.

[FloFTW]

If you are a Republican generally and you hate Trump and want to force some craziness at the Convention, vote for Kasich.

If you are a Democrat generally, vote for who you prefer (Bernie or Hillary). Hillary most certainly DOES NOT have Ohio in the bag.

[FloFTW]

Also, there are other D candidates I want to vote for. This isn't JUST for presidential candidates. I want to vote for Ted Strickland for Senator, for example.

[Deleted]

Mar 14, 2016 10:26:20 GMT -5 tripleshot said:

I'm in Ohio too and tying to strategize. It seems Kasich and Trump are close, but Hillary is supposed to win for sure. So the recommendation was to vote for Kasich to help him beat Trump. I'm nervous it'll backfire and Bernie will win. Tell me what to do!

Vote Hillary. We need Bernie to GTFO so the Dems can consolidate behind HRC. 

[claudiajean]

On the Republican side, with it being winner take all, it's pretty much a vote for Kasich or a vote for Trump. It doesn't make much sense to vote for the other candidates unless you want to send some sort of message. Polls range from it being neck in neck to Trump having a lead to Kasich having a lead. Even a 37 to 33 spread isn't that big when you factor in the margin of error.

[lurkingaw]

If you don't want President Trump, please vote Kasich tomorrow. Rubio is not likely to win Florida. We can't afford to let Trump take Ohio too.

I know I disagree with the majority of the political views on this board, but for the love of everything good in this world, please help the Rs slow down Trump. Hillary has it in the bag already.

[TR]

Mar 14, 2016 10:30:21 GMT -5 @licia said:

Mar 14, 2016 10:26:20 GMT -5 tripleshot said:

I'm in Ohio too and tying to strategize. It seems Kasich and Trump are close, but Hillary is supposed to win for sure. So the recommendation was to vote for Kasich to help him beat Trump. I'm nervous it'll backfire and Bernie will win. Tell me what to do!

Vote HRC if that's who you want to have the nomination. I don't think there's any reason to vote R if you aren't R, unless you're looking at the down ballot and know most of your other officials will be R, and you want a say in that.

Mar 14, 2016 11:44:57 GMT -5 FloFTW said:

Also, there are other D candidates I want to vote for. This isn't JUST for presidential candidates. I want to vote for Ted Strickland for Senator, for example.

I have a question about this. In SC, I only saw one thing to vote on, presidential candidate. I didn't see any down ballot stuff. Does this vary state to state?

[WOT?*]

Not sure that Hillary has it on lock so if you're voting Dem, vote for Hillary. They are already starting to tar Bernie with the "communist" brush and it will stick, especially if Trump gets the R nomination (heaven forbid.)

If you're voting R, in Ohio it's definitely vote for Kasich to keep Trump from getting the delegates. It's a winner-take-all so if he gets Florida and Ohio, he's pretty much got it on lock. Don't give him Ohio.

[WOT?*]

Mar 14, 2016 12:00:50 GMT -5 TR said:

Mar 14, 2016 10:30:21 GMT -5 @licia said:

Vote HRC if that's who you want to have the nomination. I don't think there's any reason to vote R if you aren't R, unless you're looking at the down ballot and know most of your other officials will be R, and you want a say in that.

Mar 14, 2016 11:44:57 GMT -5 FloFTW said:

Also, there are other D candidates I want to vote for. This isn't JUST for presidential candidates. I want to vote for Ted Strickland for Senator, for example.

I have a question about this. In SC, I only saw one thing to vote on, presidential candidate. I didn't see any down ballot stuff. Does this vary state to state?

Yes, typically Ohio has down-ballot voting in the primaries as well. US House and Senate and OH state reps (individual district only). Not a lot of challengers at state level but at federal there are several contending for the same seat so they winnow it down to make it a smaller contest in the general.

[claudiajean]

Question - why would it matter if Hillary has the state secured or not? It's my understanding that Dems split the delegates proportionally so every vote helps one candidate or the other. It's only the winner take all nature of the Republican rules that make it a case where it is best to not necessarily support your candidate. What am I missing?

[chedifuen]

Mar 14, 2016 12:10:47 GMT -5 claudiajean said:

Question - why would it matter if Hillary has the state secured or not? It's my understanding that Dems split the delegates proportionally so every vote helps one candidate or the other. It's only the winner take all nature of the Republican rules that make it a case where it is best to not necessarily support your candidate. What am I missing?

Excellent point! If you want Hillary, you want her to win big in Ohio and rack up a ton of delegates. 

[tripleshot]

Mar 14, 2016 12:10:47 GMT -5 claudiajean said:

Question - why would it matter if Hillary has the state secured or not? It's my understanding that Dems split the delegates proportionally so every vote helps one candidate or the other. It's only the winner take all nature of the Republican rules that make it a case where it is best to not necessarily support your candidate. What am I missing?

From what I understand this varies by state. In Ohio the delegates aren't proportionally assigned. It's winner takes all. I could be wrong, but I remember reading an article that had each state listed and how they assign delegates.

[pitterwoo]

Mar 14, 2016 12:36:21 GMT -5 tripleshot said:

Mar 14, 2016 12:10:47 GMT -5 claudiajean said:

Question - why would it matter if Hillary has the state secured or not? It's my understanding that Dems split the delegates proportionally so every vote helps one candidate or the other. It's only the winner take all nature of the Republican rules that make it a case where it is best to not necessarily support your candidate. What am I missing?

From what I understand this varies by state. In Ohio the delegates aren't proportionally assigned. It's winner takes all. I could be wrong, but I remember reading an article that had each state listed and how they assign delegates.

Winner take all for Republicans. Dems don't do any winner take all.

[shortstax]

Mar 14, 2016 12:36:21 GMT -5 tripleshot said:

Mar 14, 2016 12:10:47 GMT -5 claudiajean said:

Question - why would it matter if Hillary has the state secured or not? It's my understanding that Dems split the delegates proportionally so every vote helps one candidate or the other. It's only the winner take all nature of the Republican rules that make it a case where it is best to not necessarily support your candidate. What am I missing?

From what I understand this varies by state. In Ohio the delegates aren't proportionally assigned. It's winner takes all. I could be wrong, but I remember reading an article that had each state listed and how they assign delegates.

In Ohio:

GOP = Winner-take-all
DEM = delegates awarded on a proportional basis

[smock]

Mar 14, 2016 12:36:21 GMT -5 tripleshot said:

Mar 14, 2016 12:10:47 GMT -5 claudiajean said:

Question - why would it matter if Hillary has the state secured or not? It's my understanding that Dems split the delegates proportionally so every vote helps one candidate or the other. It's only the winner take all nature of the Republican rules that make it a case where it is best to not necessarily support your candidate. What am I missing?

From what I understand this varies by state. In Ohio the delegates aren't proportionally assigned. It's winner takes all. I could be wrong, but I remember reading an article that had each state listed and how they assign delegates.

That is only true for the Republican delegates; on the Democratic side delegates are proportional. That means more votes for HRC means more delegates for HRC. There are no winner-take-all states on the Democratic side. 

[iamlaila]

Mar 14, 2016 12:10:47 GMT -5 claudiajean said:

Question - why would it matter if Hillary has the state secured or not? It's my understanding that Dems split the delegates proportionally so every vote helps one candidate or the other. It's only the winner take all nature of the Republican rules that make it a case where it is best to not necessarily support your candidate. What am I missing?

It does not matter. I think people get into this "winner-take-all" mindset because of the Electoral College and because some it is winner-take-all on the Republican side in some states.  The system for the Democratic primary in Ohio (and other states) is very complex (proportional but also awarded in part by congressional districts), so in my view, for a Democrat, it is best not to try to "game the system" by voting strategically in the R primary.  Here is a run-down of the Ohio D system of awarding delegates:  www.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/25/1490486/-Ohio-Delegate-Mathematics-143-Dels

HRC does not have Ohio "in the bag."  The latest poll by Public Policy Polling for Ohio only has her up +5 (the margin of error is not listed but is typically +/- 3 in their polls).  That suggests that it is really close and every vote will matter.  HRC is being hit hard on NAFTA and TPP.  Ohio is also an open primary state, which helps BS.  They are also allowing 17 year olds who will be 18 by the general election vote, which helps BS.  So, if your true preference is HRC, then please do support her.

[chedifuen]

Mar 14, 2016 11:58:28 GMT -5 lurkingaw said:

If you don't want President Trump, please vote Kasich tomorrow. Rubio is not likely to win Florida. We can't afford to let Trump take Ohio too.

I know I disagree with the majority of the political views on this board, but for the love of everything good in this world, please help the Rs slow down Trump. Hillary has it in the bag already.

I have no desire to help them slow down the monster they created, especially considering that will likely leave us with Cruz at the end and he is no better in my eyes. 

[FloFTW]

Mar 14, 2016 12:00:50 GMT -5 TR said:

Mar 14, 2016 10:30:21 GMT -5 @licia said:

Vote HRC if that's who you want to have the nomination. I don't think there's any reason to vote R if you aren't R, unless you're looking at the down ballot and know most of your other officials will be R, and you want a say in that.

Mar 14, 2016 11:44:57 GMT -5 FloFTW said:

Also, there are other D candidates I want to vote for. This isn't JUST for presidential candidates. I want to vote for Ted Strickland for Senator, for example.

I have a question about this. In SC, I only saw one thing to vote on, presidential candidate. I didn't see any down ballot stuff. Does this vary state to state?

It'll vary state by state and county by county and city by city. For example, I live in Cuyahoga County (where Cleveland is located). In addition to the presidential candidates, we'll be voting for the D Senatorial candidate to go up against the current R, County Prosecutor, Representative for the state house (but she's unopposed) and lots of judges. (Lots of the judges are unopposed but still need votes). And there's one issue in Cuyahoga County that everyone will vote on. But one county south in Summit County (where Akron is), they have no issues to vote on this time. They'll only be voting for candidates.

[laterbloomer]

Mar 14, 2016 12:56:06 GMT -5 chedifuen said:

Mar 14, 2016 11:58:28 GMT -5 lurkingaw said:

If you don't want President Trump, please vote Kasich tomorrow. Rubio is not likely to win Florida. We can't afford to let Trump take Ohio too.

I know I disagree with the majority of the political views on this board, but for the love of everything good in this world, please help the Rs slow down Trump. Hillary has it in the bag already.

I have no desire to help them slow down the monster they created, especially considering that will likely leave us with Cruz at the end and he is no better in my eyes. 

I hope you guys do this! If Donald is the candidate a whole lotta Republicans are gonna stay home on election day. They will hate the Democratic nominee but they won't be able to bring themselves to vote for him.