I might be wrong, but I think we're witnessing in some cases the textbook phenomenon of white people reacting to being told they're wrong, specifically wrt them possibly being racist.
oh I know. My question was a rhetorical one. Some people get hyped up about not being able to repeat certain words, and others pretend that there's a mod conspiracy and act all safer-than-thou. In either case, the rest of us are too stupid and unevolved to understand.
See, I wish I could have recorded my post in Richard Attenborough's voice, because that's how it sounded in my head.
oh I know. My question was a rhetorical one. Some people get hyped up about not being able to repeat certain words, and others pretend that there's a mod conspiracy and act all safer-than-thou. In either case, the rest of us are too stupid and unevolved to understand.
See, I wish I could have recorded my post in Richard Attenborough's voice, because that's how it sounded in my head.
lol! well that's how I'm going to read it now. The two of us need to work on our deadpan comedy duo schtick. :-)
oh I know. My question was a rhetorical one. Some people get hyped up about not being able to repeat certain words, and others pretend that there's a mod conspiracy and act all safer-than-thou. In either case, the rest of us are too stupid and unevolved to understand.
See, I wish I could have recorded my post in Richard Attenborough's voice, because that's how it sounded in my head.
I heard it that way. "See how the white woman ferociously defends her privilege."
Bullshit. I will absolutely call you on your bullshit. Act like I can't type your words back to you because I'm not smart enough? Bull fucking shit. You have a set of rules for me and one for yourself based on MY RACE. EW. This isn't a joke. You're not joking. I was joking about sue and the others that bailed, calling them names. I accidentally offended and meant no harm. I apologized. You are a blatant asshole. Bless your own heart, asshole.
The only bullshit in this thread belongs to you. And yes, I am saying that you aren't smart enough to understand anything because you keep trying to justify your ill-attempted joke. It wasn't funny. Several posters said your comments were gross, then you jumped in feet first trying to call folks morons when you obviously didn't look in the mirror.
It's not funny and FWIW I was trying to be helpful in the hopes that maybe you'd se the list and go, ok, duly noted, won't do that either. Also, are you one of those folks who say "well black folks use the N-word, so Imma say it too!" Because, that's what you're doing here.
In my city, a bunch of white folks thought it was "funny" to tie a sock monkey up and hang it out of the window. Now, they're confused trying to figure out why black folks were upset about it. Words, symbols have meaning and power rooted back in centuries of racial oppression.
If you would take the time to stop stomping your feet and read for understanding, you wouldn't still be in this thread looking like this:
Oh wow. I am incredibly sorry. Listen I am trying to understand this. I am.
And thank you for trying to explain it
When I first posted it, I thought you guys were flaming me because you thought I was attacking YOU as race baiters. And that I was racist for that. And I was like Fuck you !! That's not my intent!
ML posted over and over how I wasn't USING race baiting correctly, not saying hey! Race baiting doesn't exist and even if it does YOU can't use it. You're white! This is banned in entirety for whites! And toss race card in that pile too.
Well actually maybe you were when you made your bar analogy which is why I was like wtf?? I thought you were bsc
I am interested in your opinion and I am interested in why this topic has swallowed ml in entirety and maybe other boards (sorry haven't been here in months) and rather than stay and discuss, it is easier for 10yr+ posters to just peace out rather than moving forward and learning
I am trying to learn and I get that this is uncomfortable for a lot of us.
Looks like 9 pages later you figured it out. That's the reason I kept saying that it didn't matter who you were calling race baiters, it's derogatory and shouldn't be used.at.all.
Furthermore, as someone else gretchenindisguise I believe stated, that is the reason I don't say "YOU'RE RACIST." everyone's connotation of racism is tied to the KKK. White folks tend to get butthurt and cry because they think, I'm not burning crosses in yards! No, your comments were straight from bigoted language that you didn't seem to grasp. Words and phrases have undertones. When you get called on it, you need to back up and listen.
The only bullshit in this thread belongs to you. And yes, I am saying that you aren't smart enough to understand anything because you keep trying to justify your ill-attempted joke. It wasn't funny. Several posters said your comments were gross, then you jumped in feet first trying to call folks morons when you obviously didn't look in the mirror.
It's not funny and FWIW I was trying to be helpful in the hopes that maybe you'd se the list and go, ok, duly noted, won't do that either. Also, are you one of those folks who say "well black folks use the N-word, so Imma say it too!" Because, that's what you're doing here.
In my city, a bunch of white folks thought it was "funny" to tie a sock monkey up and hang it out of the window. Now, they're confused trying to figure out why black folks were upset about it. Words, symbols have meaning and power rooted back in centuries of racial oppression.
If you would take the time to stop stomping your feet and read for understanding, you wouldn't still be in this thread looking like this:
Oh wow. I am incredibly sorry. Listen I am trying to understand this. I am.
And thank you for trying to explain it
When I first posted it, I thought you guys were flaming me because you thought I was attacking YOU as race baiters. And that I was racist for that. And I was like Fuck you !! That's not my intent!
ML posted over and over how I wasn't USING race baiting correctly, not saying hey! Race baiting doesn't exist and even if it does YOU can't use it. You're white! This is banned in entirety for whites! And toss race card in that pile too.
Well actually maybe you were when you made your bar analogy which is why I was like wtf?? I thought you were bsc
I am interested in your opinion and I am interested in why this topic has swallowed ml in entirety and maybe other boards (sorry haven't been here in months) and rather than stay and discuss, it is easier for 10yr+ posters to just peace out rather than moving forward and learning
I am trying to learn and I get that this is uncomfortable for a lot of us.
I was entirely comfortable watching you make an ass of yourself.
Oh wow. I am incredibly sorry. Listen I am trying to understand this. I am.
And thank you for trying to explain it
When I first posted it, I thought you guys were flaming me because you thought I was attacking YOU as race baiters. And that I was racist for that. And I was like Fuck you !! That's not my intent!
ML posted over and over how I wasn't USING race baiting correctly, not saying hey! Race baiting doesn't exist and even if it does YOU can't use it. You're white! This is banned in entirety for whites! And toss race card in that pile too.
Well actually maybe you were when you made your bar analogy which is why I was like wtf?? I thought you were bsc
I am interested in your opinion and I am interested in why this topic has swallowed ml in entirety and maybe other boards (sorry haven't been here in months) and rather than stay and discuss, it is easier for 10yr+ posters to just peace out rather than moving forward and learning
I am trying to learn and I get that this is uncomfortable for a lot of us.
I was entirely comfortable watching you make an ass of yourself.
Post by aussiecrush on Apr 16, 2016 11:24:34 GMT -5
You don't call someone a moron, a rube or an ass when you are trying to understand. You don't tell the people trying to explain things to you to fuck off. There are things you can't say, there are things no one can say, without looking like a bigot. It's not that damn hard.
Post by W.T.Faulkner on Apr 16, 2016 11:35:43 GMT -5
Ask questions first and approach with generosity of spirit - assume that, when someone says, "hey, that's insensitive/racist/shitty," there is a legit reason for their saying so.
I teach my adolescent kids this at school; I'm dead-ass serious. There are 14 year-olds who are better at this than some MLers are.
Angela, words have meanings. Even if you don't want them to, or want to use them in a different time way, they still have meanings.
People are trying repeatedly to tell you that the meanings of the words you are choosing are offensive. They are offensive when anybody says them but are especially so when the member of the majority in power uses them, in this case white people (although my guess is that Latino or Asian called a black person uppity, it would also not go over well).
It's not that you can't say them because you're white. You're obviously able to say anything you want but words have meanings and when combined with your race the meanings are amplified. You can use them, but know that when using them you're being offensive. That's a choice you're making. And apparently that's a choice you want to retain. It's more important to you to use offensive words than not. Why?
A trap I keep seeing people fall into is getting defensive as all get out. And yeah, in these threads (and the news/politics) it's particularly white people. That defensiveness doesn't make it better. It's ok to admit you didn't know something. It's ok to say that it's not how you intended but you can see where the other person is coming from and you'll do better in the future. Or you can double down and try to convince an entire room that you're not an ass hole. That's ass hole behavior though, so don't be surprised when someone calls you out for it.
My current hypothesis as to why this keeps playing out like this is white people's (myself included) severe aversion to being called racist. When we hear that word, or anything remotely related to it, we immediately think we are being called the leader of the kkk. Something we mostly all reject and is abhorrent to us. It's like the worst thing you can call a white person. So when we are called that, and it's something we find abhorrent we get defensive. What we need to learn and work on, is understanding that when people are telling us our words are offensive or racist, it doesn't mean they're calling us the leader of the kkk. They're saying that the word choice or what we just did was racist. We have all had racist behavior. We all continue to do it. The way to fix it is not to yell and scream and say it's not (because really that just makes people you are actually racist in the way you're trying to say you're not), it's to recognize it and do better in the future.
Separately, I know it's kind of your thing on these boards to throw around curse words because it's fun, I get in moods where fuck is my favorite word, so I get it. But I think in this thread, people are using your same language back to you and it's riling you up. It's weird.
Quoting this because it's so well put, but also - unfortunately - so it's easy to find and reference the next time a thread like this pops up. As others have noted in this thread, that's likely.
The only bullshit in this thread belongs to you. And yes, I am saying that you aren't smart enough to understand anything because you keep trying to justify your ill-attempted joke. It wasn't funny. Several posters said your comments were gross, then you jumped in feet first trying to call folks morons when you obviously didn't look in the mirror.
It's not funny and FWIW I was trying to be helpful in the hopes that maybe you'd se the list and go, ok, duly noted, won't do that either. Also, are you one of those folks who say "well black folks use the N-word, so Imma say it too!" Because, that's what you're doing here.
In my city, a bunch of white folks thought it was "funny" to tie a sock monkey up and hang it out of the window. Now, they're confused trying to figure out why black folks were upset about it. Words, symbols have meaning and power rooted back in centuries of racial oppression.
If you would take the time to stop stomping your feet and read for understanding, you wouldn't still be in this thread looking like this:
Oh wow. I am incredibly sorry. Listen I am trying to understand this. I am.
And thank you for trying to explain it
When I first posted it, I thought you guys were flaming me because you thought I was attacking YOU as race baiters. And that I was racist for that. And I was like Fuck you !! That's not my intent!
ML posted over and over how I wasn't USING race baiting correctly, not saying hey! Race baiting doesn't exist and even if it does YOU can't use it. You're white! This is banned in entirety for whites! And toss race card in that pile too.
Well actually maybe you were when you made your bar analogy which is why I was like wtf?? I thought you were bsc
I am interested in your opinion and I am interested in why this topic has swallowed ml in entirety and maybe other boards (sorry haven't been here in months) and rather than stay and discuss, it is easier for 10yr+ posters to just peace out rather than moving forward and learning
I am trying to learn and I get that this is uncomfortable for a lot of us.
Is your learning tone also a "fuck you" tone? Because it seems like it and its very, very confusing and off putting. You need to work on that.
This week, as the shooting of nine black churchgoers in South Carolina sparked a nationwide discussion of racism in America, Ian Tuttle at the conservative news site National Review published a takedown of activist DeRay McKesson, calling the #BlackLivesMatter organizer a “next-generation race-baiter.”
McKesson, he wrote, “has shown an unsurpassed ability to force every injustice, historical and contemporary, real and perceived, into a single framework: ‘Whiteness’ is wicked, ‘blackness’ is ‘beautiful.’”
It’s a classic misuse of the term “race-baiting,” a phrase used against those who dare to speak candidly about racism in America. In the Obama era, the right has embraced the term as a way of discrediting black people.
Right-wing outlets like the Drudge Report, Fox News and the National Review use the term “race-baiting” frequently and liberally. Drudge conveniently catalogs its use of the term for its readers.
Even when media outlets aren’t using the term “race-baiting” they find ways to allude to it and distract from what’s really being said.
CNN and Fox both aired segments this week focused on whether President Obama’s use of “nigger” on a podcast was appropriate, rather than discussing why the president said the word in the first place. “I think many people wondering if it’s only there he would say it, and not perhaps in a State of the Union, or a more public address,” said Fox host Elisabeth Hasselbeck.
The accusation of race-baiting certainly isn’t a new phenomenon. In 1963, Martin Luther King Jr. was forced to defend his activism from inside a Birmingham jail cell after eight white Alabama clergy penned a letter responding to civil-rights protests calling for “outsiders” to leave.
“I am in Birmingham because injustice is here,” King wrote in response.
It isn’t hard to draw a parallel between those eight Alabama clergy and Tuttle. “Go home, Deray. And stay there,” demands Tuttle of McKesson, rather aggressively.
It’s not just South Carolina. After the shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Bill O’Reilly told his viewers he was “furious” about media coverage of the shooting. Conservative voices echoed O’Reilly. “This mantra of the unarmed black teenager shot by white cop. You know that description in and of itself actually colors the way in which we look at the story,” said a Fox News guest captured in Jon Stewart’s segment on race-baiting.
The current usage is a bastardization of a term that actually has real meaning. The right has co-opted the term “race baiting,” but here’s context for its proper usage:
In 1986 George H.W. Bush’s presidential campaign released an advertisement attacking his opponent Michael Dukakis for supporting prison furloughs:
The advertisement baits voters by preying on their fears of black men’s inherent criminality.
Another example: During his campaign for presidency in 1976, Ronald Reagan warned of a “welfare queen” from Chicago who defrauded the government by using “127 names” and posing “as a mother of 14 children at one time.” Reagan went on, “Her tax-free cash income alone has been running $150,000 a year.”
Reagan—like Bush did after him— perpetuated the stereotype of black people as lazy. Instead of focusing on America’s poverty, Reagan named black people as the problem. A beautiful distraction.
And it mirrors Tuttle’s attack on Deray McKesson. Disproportionate killings of black people by police officers, systemic poverty, lack of access to fair and equitable education—those aren’t the problem. Deray McKesson is.
McKesson is Tuttle’s red herring, just as Horton was Bush’s and the “welfare Queen” was Reagan’s.
Deray McKesson’s occupation is not, as Tuttle implies, professional race-baiter. To borrow from Tuttle, McKesson is a “professional activist,” a far cry from the damaging imagery promulgated by white politicians for votes.
“This next-generation race-baiter has absorbed the argot of the academy, recognized that it is the closest thing to a self-powering engine of racial outrage as has yet been devised, and figured out how to package it for a mass audience,” wrote Tuttle.
Merriam Webster – for clarification – defines “race-baiting” as “the unfair use of statements about race to try to influence the actions or attitudes of a particular group of people.”
Tuttle is calling McKesson a race-baiter for being a “professional activist” who travels around the country working to raise awareness around the deadly impact of racism. “New York City, Milwaukee, McKinney, Baltimore, Charleston — wherever racial tensions have appeared, McKesson has not been far behind,” writes Tuttle.
A mob — for clarification — is defined as “a large crowd of people, especially one that is disorderly and intent on causing trouble or violence.” Hardly the activism propagated by McKesson on Twitter.
Just popping in between getting ready to phone bank and checking e-mail to see if something came in that I've been waiting for to say: I THOUGHT WE WENT OVER THIS STUFF...AND OVER IT AND OVER IT AGAIN AND AGAIN!!!
I'm sorry NitaX that you had to AGAIN go through explaining white privilege, racism, commentary, micro-aggressions, aggression and all that other same bull that we've been discussing ad nauseum for MONTHS now. And in return you were attacked and forced to defend yourself. On your birthday, no less. Not that it's any better any other of the 364 (or in this case 365) days of the year. I hoped we'd be better than this by now. Lessons learned and all that.
I haven't read the thread prior to page 8 (at least not since yesterday afternoon when it was much shorter) but I got the gist of it from the last few pages. When someone tells you to check your language and maybe walk it back a bit, don't go charging in with a non-apology apology, with calling people names or otherwise becoming aggressive. Be a better person and learn the how and the why of things.
I just wanted to post to applaud gretchenindisguise's response on page 8 or 9. I'm sorry it's had to be said AGAIN.
Post by penguingrrl on Apr 16, 2016 14:36:35 GMT -5
It really isn't hard to apologize and learn from your mistakes. When people tell you that something you said is hurtful or racist then apologize and do better, learn from it.
To insult one of the kindest and smartest people on the board rather than admit you were wrong is cowardly and appalling.
No, it's not because you're white. It's because you lack fundamental comprehension skills which is evident by the fact you didn't read for understanding of the link posted earlier. Also, when told several different times in several different ways that race baiting was offensive and it accuses people of "playing the race card" which undercuts the validity of their concerns.
You lack critical thinking skills is what I gather here. Therefore, yes you are basic as hell. Here's a handy cheat sheet of things you need to refrain from using:
Racial Slurs Uppity Race Baiter Race Card He/She is Articulate (when said about black folks) Thug Ghetto Nappy - when discussing black folks hair Angry - when used to describe black people Militant
Keep all of those out of your mouth and keystrokes so I don't have to be alerted to your foolishness and call you out on it. Because you are making my ass itch. I'm torn between using all the cuss words and saying Bless Your Heart because it's slightly less than obvious that you are not playing with a full deck.
Bullshit. I will absolutely call you on your bullshit. Act like I can't type your words back to you because I'm not smart enough? Bull fucking shit. You have a set of rules for me and one for yourself based on MY RACE. EW. This isn't a joke. You're not joking. I was joking about sue and the others that bailed, calling them names. I accidentally offended and meant no harm. I apologized. You are a blatant asshole. Bless your own heart, asshole.
So, you use said words and won't listen to someone explaining they are slurs? You're a fucking racist hosebeast. Fuck off bye
A trap I keep seeing people fall into is getting defensive as all get out. And yeah, in these threads (and the news/politics) it's particularly white people. That defensiveness doesn't make it better. It's ok to admit you didn't know something. It's ok to say that it's not how you intended but you can see where the other person is coming from and you'll do better in the future. Or you can double down and try to convince an entire room that you're not an ass hole. That's ass hole behavior though, so don't be surprised when someone calls you out for it.
My current hypothesis as to why this keeps playing out like this is white people's (myself included) severe aversion to being called racist. When we hear that word, or anything remotely related to it, we immediately think we are being called the leader of the kkk. Something we mostly all reject and is abhorrent to us. It's like the worst thing you can call a white person. So when we are called that, and it's something we find abhorrent we get defensive. What we need to learn and work on, is understanding that when people are telling us our words are offensive or racist, it doesn't mean they're calling us the leader of the kkk. They're saying that the word choice or what we just did was racist. We have all had racist behavior. We all continue to do it. The way to fix it is not to yell and scream and say it's not (because really that just makes people you are actually racist in the way you're trying to say you're not), it's to recognize it and do better in the future. .
This really resonates with me. I have had the same reaction a lot here. Like I feel terrible that WOC have felt attack or put down here. It's the last thing that I would want to see happen or be a part of. It's especially worrying because there are so many things I didn't know could be offensive or upsetting (spade, sock monkey, calling a black women angry when I wouldn't hesitate to use that description for a white man or woman and I'm sure the list goes on and on). But then I have this visceral reaction to how the poster who has said something offensive without meaning to gets eviscerated when they do get defensive and it has seemed almost as bad to me as what was orgiginally said. What you are saying here makes perfect sense to me. There really is almost no worse insult I can imagine than to be called racist. It's the exact reverse of what I would want and expect from myself. It would feel like an attack on core values I'm really proud of..... I think that's where this refusal to see what other posters are saying comes from and agree that's why we are seeing this exact conversation play out again and again.
Ultimately you are completely correct that if people are saying that something is offensive, it probably is whether you intended it to be or not and to just slow down and listen and apologize without getting defensive. Which is what everyone has been saying all along and I've been trying to get, but it just hadn't completely clicked until your post here. Thanks for the perspective, it's really helped me fully get what everyone has been saying here for weeks.
Bullshit. I will absolutely call you on your bullshit. Act like I can't type your words back to you because I'm not smart enough? Bull fucking shit. You have a set of rules for me and one for yourself based on MY RACE. EW. This isn't a joke. You're not joking. I was joking about sue and the others that bailed, calling them names. I accidentally offended and meant no harm. I apologized. You are a blatant asshole. Bless your own heart, asshole.
Angela, words have meanings. Even if you don't want them to, or want to use them in a different time way, they still have meanings.
People are trying repeatedly to tell you that the meanings of the words you are choosing are offensive. They are offensive when anybody says them but are especially so when the member of the majority in power uses them, in this case white people (although my guess is that Latino or Asian called a black person uppity, it would also not go over well).
It's not that you can't say them because you're white. You're obviously able to say anything you want but words have meanings and when combined with your race the meanings are amplified. You can use them, but know that when using them you're being offensive. That's a choice you're making. And apparently that's a choice you want to retain. It's more important to you to use offensive words than not. Why?
A trap I keep seeing people fall into is getting defensive as all get out. And yeah, in these threads (and the news/politics) it's particularly white people. That defensiveness doesn't make it better. It's ok to admit you didn't know something. It's ok to say that it's not how you intended but you can see where the other person is coming from and you'll do better in the future. Or you can double down and try to convince an entire room that you're not an ass hole. That's ass hole behavior though, so don't be surprised when someone calls you out for it.
My current hypothesis as to why this keeps playing out like this is white people's (myself included) severe aversion to being called racist. When we hear that word, or anything remotely related to it, we immediately think we are being called the leader of the kkk. Something we mostly all reject and is abhorrent to us. It's like the worst thing you can call a white person. So when we are called that, and it's something we find abhorrent we get defensive. What we need to learn and work on, is understanding that when people are telling us our words are offensive or racist, it doesn't mean they're calling us the leader of the kkk. They're saying that the word choice or what we just did was racist. We have all had racist behavior. We all continue to do it. The way to fix it is not to yell and scream and say it's not (because really that just makes people you are actually racist in the way you're trying to say you're not), it's to recognize it and do better in the future.
Separately, I know it's kind of your thing on these boards to throw around curse words because it's fun, I get in moods where fuck is my favorite word, so I get it. But I think in this thread, people are using your same language back to you and it's riling you up. It's weird.
Thank you. Yes I completely agree that most people have a huge aversion to be labeled racist. I am interested in why people would be so
So we're clear, I am not in here battling for the right to say words. I typed her quote back to her to clarify why I joked that the others left. To clarify how I was applying it to them
Then that question became the focus!
Listen I type like I am actually having a conversation face to face with people. So it would be super weird for me to hear a person explain something to me and then me to repeat it back for clarity and ask a question and then get slapped in the face for doing so
And it was also weird to equate race card race bating and nword. I never ever knew this. Sorry!
I was especially perplexed that she told me it wasn't because I was white.
Bullshit. I will absolutely call you on your bullshit. Act like I can't type your words back to you because I'm not smart enough? Bull fucking shit. You have a set of rules for me and one for yourself based on MY RACE. EW. This isn't a joke. You're not joking. I was joking about sue and the others that bailed, calling them names. I accidentally offended and meant no harm. I apologized. You are a blatant asshole. Bless your own heart, asshole.
Angela, words have meanings. Even if you don't want them to, or want to use them in a different time way, they still have meanings.
People are trying repeatedly to tell you that the meanings of the words you are choosing are offensive. They are offensive when anybody says them but are especially so when the member of the majority in power uses them, in this case white people (although my guess is that Latino or Asian called a black person uppity, it would also not go over well).
It's not that you can't say them because you're white. You're obviously able to say anything you want but words have meanings and when combined with your race the meanings are amplified. You can use them, but know that when using them you're being offensive. That's a choice you're making. And apparently that's a choice you want to retain. It's more important to you to use offensive words than not. Why?
A trap I keep seeing people fall into is getting defensive as all get out. And yeah, in these threads (and the news/politics) it's particularly white people. That defensiveness doesn't make it better. It's ok to admit you didn't know something. It's ok to say that it's not how you intended but you can see where the other person is coming from and you'll do better in the future. Or you can double down and try to convince an entire room that you're not an ass hole. That's ass hole behavior though, so don't be surprised when someone calls you out for it.
My current hypothesis as to why this keeps playing out like this is white people's (myself included) severe aversion to being called racist. When we hear that word, or anything remotely related to it, we immediately think we are being called the leader of the kkk. Something we mostly all reject and is abhorrent to us. It's like the worst thing you can call a white person. So when we are called that, and it's something we find abhorrent we get defensive. What we need to learn and work on, is understanding that when people are telling us our words are offensive or racist, it doesn't mean they're calling us the leader of the kkk. They're saying that the word choice or what we just did was racist. We have all had racist behavior. We all continue to do it. The way to fix it is not to yell and scream and say it's not (because really that just makes people you are actually racist in the way you're trying to say you're not), it's to recognize it and do better in the future.
Separately, I know it's kind of your thing on these boards to throw around curse words because it's fun, I get in moods where fuck is my favorite word, so I get it. But I think in this thread, people are using your same language back to you and it's riling you up. It's weird.
Thank you G. Yes I completely agree that most people have a huge aversion to be labeled racist. Maybe I/we think it's all or nothing. Like either you are a murderer or you aren't. There's no middle ground
I am also now very interested in why longtime posters would feel so maligned and all leave at the same time rather than trying to stay and have uncomfortable conversations which result in growth. And I'm not going anywhere
So we're clear, I am not in here battling for the right to say words. I typed her quote back to her to clarify why I joked that the others left. To clarify how I was applying it to them
Then that question became the focus!
Listen I type like I am actually having a conversation face to face with people. So it would be super weird for me to hear a person explain something to me and then me to repeat it back for clarity and ask a question and then get slapped in the face for doing so. Sorry for the colloquial take
And it was also weird to equate race card race bating and nword. I never ever knew this. Sorry! I really am. I didn't know.
And I was especially perplexed that she told me it wasn't because I was white. I still am. I would like to apologize for forcing her hand on this. And getting pissed at the double standard
And yes I do say curse a lot but I'm not getting riled up by people telling me to simultaneously fuck off and then trying to create lame ass attack tangents on my character when they can't stick to the topic at hand. Douchebags and their strawman fallacy is like ML 101.
I have known you forever and I just want to thank you again for taking the time to post such a thought provoking message.