New to WW and going over my points by a LOT

[TR]

How many points are each of those things? I don't do WW, but have paid attention to the discussion here and it seems like maybe saturated fats might be getting you?

[sweetteavodka]

I agree that it's probably saturated fats. Those and sugar really up the points, but it doesn't seem like you are eating a lot of sugar at all.
ETA: you could put your food diary into My Fitness Pal and see how it adds up, I double track to make sure my calories aren't too high

[hocus2]

Here is my thoughts on how to cut this down without feeling hungry


Kale and collard greens sauteed in butter, topped with two one over-medium eggs

2 cups of coffee with 4 T whole milk

3/4 cut of seasonal fruit (0 points)


Lunch

2 deviled eggs
 one hard boiled egg, 1/2 turkey sandwich on whole wheat (5 points vs. 10) 
Shit-ton of baby carrots

Salad with 2 T homemade oil/vinegar dressing



Dinner

3 oz. beef roast (I even weighed out my portion)

Oven fries

Steamed broccoli with 1 T homemade lemon aioli

[panicfoot]

Yeah, WW is a lot about the fat.

If you can sub the butter for non-stick cooking spray, maybe go down to only one or two eggs (with red fat mayo if that's how you're making deviled eggs, or sub with hummus), and supplement the protein with non-fat greek yogurt. Reduced fat grated parm only has 1p per tbs.

[teeah22]

Are you pre-planning your day or just winging it? I have to plan it out ahead of time when I'm just starting out, it does get easier though. Usually I decide what I'm having for dinner and see how many points it is, and also see if there's any substitutions I can make (low fat sour cream vs. regular, etc). Then I figure out breakfast and lunch from there. The first week is usually bad for me as my body is adjusting to less food but it gets better.

[hocus2]

May 24, 2016 15:11:31 GMT -5 @meepmeep said:

Ugh, maybe this won't work for me. I don't eat low-fat dairy or refined oils, and I run a poultry farm so there will always be a lot of eggs in my life (though four in a day is pretty high). I've been on the low-carb/primal train for so long that subbing a sandwich and fruit to make a meal healthier sounds nuts to me. I'll work on cutting fat the rest of the week and see how it goes. Thanks for the advice, everyone!

 
Eggs are pretty low in calories and high in nutrition so I don't see any issue with them in your diet as long as you prepare them in simple ways. It is the fact that you deviled them that adds so many points (2 HB eggs =4 points I think, vs 2 deviled eggs =10) I include some whole fat dairy as well. I think it is all about balance. If you don't want to do a turkey sandwich (which is my go to most days since it is so low in points) you could do turkey in lettuce or maybe tuna simply prepared (watch out for the oil).

But overall fresh fruit is a great way to fill up in a healthy way. If you want you can limit it to 2 servings per day and pick lower sugar fruits as well that might be more in line with your personal preferences.

[Alwaysabridesmaidf]

It's an adjustment at first but honestly you will most likely see a pretty significant loss even going over your points. Which then will make you realize how poorly you were eating before (speaking from experience). PP's suggestions above are the only changes I could see making. I don't really use butter anymore. Or mayonnaise. Unless it's low fat. Those are the types of things I had to sacrifice. Also, any time I do eggs I usually do one whole and then two additional egg whites to give me more food. The 2 egg whites end up being 0 points.

[teeah22]

May 24, 2016 15:18:20 GMT -5 @meepmeep said:

May 24, 2016 15:11:42 GMT -5 teeah22 said:

Are you pre-planning your day or just winging it? I have to plan it out ahead of time when I'm just starting out, it does get easier though. Usually I decide what I'm having for dinner and see how many points it is, and also see if there's any substitutions I can make (low fat sour cream vs. regular, etc). Then I figure out breakfast and lunch from there. The first week is usually bad for me as my body is adjusting to less food but it gets better.

Little bit of both. I always have one of two things for breakfast - either oatmeal with almond milk, nuts, and mix-ins, or eggs with some kind of veg. Lunch is always either salad or leftovers. Dinner is the main thing that varies.

Ok so if you typically know what you're having for breakfast and lunch then figure out those points ahead of time.  Then you know what you have to work with for dinner.  It's ok if you go into your weekly points, that's what they're there for, but you won't leave yourself room for a splurge if you want it.

Whether WW is for you or not is something you'll have to decide.  There are so many different ways to eat and look at nutrition, this is just one of them.  This is only my second week on the new points program and it does penalize you more for sugar and fat than it used to.  I don't think those points for the chocolate chip cookie are accurate FWIW.

[toepick]

May 24, 2016 17:03:24 GMT -5 toledo said:

May 24, 2016 15:18:07 GMT -5 luschek said:

ETA: I just saw the part about no refined oils or low-fat dairy. You can still so WW. It's taking me a while to find food I can live with. Don't give up!

Here's my makeover of your day:

This is what I ate yesterday:
Breakfast:
Kale and collard greens sauteed in PAM COOKING SPRAY, topped with ONE WHOLE EGG AND 1 EGG WHITE, SCRAMBLED
2 cups of coffee with 4 TSP 2% milk

Lunch
1 HARD BOILED egg
Shit-ton of baby carrots
Salad with 2 T LIGHT VINAIGRETTE

Dinner
3 oz. beef roast (I even weighed out my portion)
ROASTED RED SKIN POTATOES
Steamed broccoli with 1 T LEMON JUICE
********************************************

I get 31 points a day. Here was my day yesterday:
BREAKFAST - 5 sp
1/2 of a skinny/flat sandwich round
1 egg, scrambled
1 slice low-fat american cheese

SNACK - 6 sp
Oscar Mayer P3 snack pack with turkey, colby and almonds

LUNCH - 11 sp
salad with 1/4 cup kraft shredded cheese and reduced fat light vinaigrette.
7 tortilla chips

DINNER - 9 sp
Al Fresco Sweet Apple Chicken Sausage - 1 link
1 egg, scrambled
Salad with same vinaigrette

See, this is what bugs me about WW. OP's food choices are a lot healthier than yours (I see a lot of processed options here).

I have the same problem as the OP, because I'm trying to do WW again, since they've improved it greatly with Smart Points. But they still demonize fat (especially saturated fat) too much.

This is exactly why I'm not trying WW again. Even though the recent changes are a good start, it still leads to people choosing processed fake crap over real food. I am never going to cook with Pam again in my life. A small amount of oil or butter is not why I'm fat. And the OP's breakfast is perfect just the way it is.

[toepick]

May 24, 2016 17:11:47 GMT -5 @aliciaroset said:

I think your diet looks awesome and I would stick with it.

Amen!

[oregonpachey]

May 24, 2016 17:13:46 GMT -5 chilerellanos said:

I think you can use 2tbsp of oil a day and not count it, right? I think I read that somewhere.

Nope, sorry.  You still have to count it.

[sandyapples]

May 24, 2016 17:13:46 GMT -5 chilerellanos said:

I think you can use 2tbsp of oil a day and not count it, right? I think I read that somewhere.

That is not the case. Maybe in one of the old programs? 2tbsp of olive oil is 8sp.

[1confused1]

May 24, 2016 17:11:03 GMT -5 toepick said:

May 24, 2016 17:03:24 GMT -5 toledo said:

See, this is what bugs me about WW. OP's food choices are a lot healthier than yours (I see a lot of processed options here).

I have the same problem as the OP, because I'm trying to do WW again, since they've improved it greatly with Smart Points. But they still demonize fat (especially saturated fat) too much.

This is exactly why I'm not trying WW again. Even though the recent changes are a good start, it still leads to people choosing processed fake crap over real food. I am never going to cook with Pam again in my life. A small amount of oil or butter is not why I'm fat. And the OP's breakfast is perfect just the way it is.

I disagree with this statement.  The new program really pushes you to choose real food, not the processed stuff.  I've been doing it since January and haven't had any processed stuff like I did with the old program.

[toepick]

But 2 TBSP of oil is 8 points, or almost 1/4 of someone's daily points?

Also, I do agree that the changes make the program much better. But look at how great the OP's menu is compared to the person who is manipulating it for WW points. And I'm not blaming her for this - it's what I used to do too!

[cupcake0214]

I am doing well on it. I do not eat a lot of processed foods to begin with so it works for me. You just have to plan ahead.

B: spinach and two eggs -4
Lunch: Veggie burger with fat free feta, spinach and a portobello mushroom- 3

S: veggies with cucumber dip, - 2 strawberries, yogurt - 7

D turkey, avocado, feta wrap 6

I still have some points left but wasn't hungry.

[sandyapples]

May 25, 2016 15:04:58 GMT -5 incogneato said:

Have you thought about just doing mfp? I don't really get howWW is easier than just entering it in MFP and MFP gives you macro breakdowns and stuff without overly penalizing for healthy fats, etc.

Not being snarky, I swear, I've just never understood what benefit there is to tracking via WW vs just tracking, especially if you're already eating real, good, foods. I'd love to know if there is a reason because I'm not opposed to trying it. I've just always used MFP.

I find WW easier. It's simpler to me to count points than count every calorie. Also I like that fruits and veggies have no points.

[Lucy Honeychurch]

Sometimes I'm tempted by WW, but you can have my real butter and real oil when you tear them from my cold, dead hands. There is nothing in this world that makes it worth it for me to give up actual food in favor of low-fat options.

[TR]

May 25, 2016 15:13:24 GMT -5 sandyapples said:

May 25, 2016 15:04:58 GMT -5 incogneato said:

Have you thought about just doing mfp? I don't really get howWW is easier than just entering it in MFP and MFP gives you macro breakdowns and stuff without overly penalizing for healthy fats, etc.

Not being snarky, I swear, I've just never understood what benefit there is to tracking via WW vs just tracking, especially if you're already eating real, good, foods. I'd love to know if there is a reason because I'm not opposed to trying it. I've just always used MFP.

I find WW easier. It's simpler to me to count points than count every calorie. Also I like that fruits and veggies have no points.

You know MFP does the math for you, right? Isn't it just inputting what you eat into one program or another?

[dellabear]

May 25, 2016 15:13:24 GMT -5 sandyapples said:

May 25, 2016 15:04:58 GMT -5 incogneato said:

Have you thought about just doing mfp? I don't really get howWW is easier than just entering it in MFP and MFP gives you macro breakdowns and stuff without overly penalizing for healthy fats, etc.

Not being snarky, I swear, I've just never understood what benefit there is to tracking via WW vs just tracking, especially if you're already eating real, good, foods. I'd love to know if there is a reason because I'm not opposed to trying it. I've just always used MFP.

I find WW easier. It's simpler to me to count points than count every calorie. Also I like that fruits and veggies have no points.

I agree.  I like that you never run out of food on ww - if you've eaten all your points for the day or week, you can still snack on veggies and fruit to get you through.

When I started I basically used my weekly points /7 to increase my daily points to a more reasonable amount.  After a few weeks I got the hang of it better and it was easier to make lower point choices and that left me with more weekly points for splurges.

[sandyapples]

May 25, 2016 15:21:14 GMT -5 TR said:

May 25, 2016 15:13:24 GMT -5 sandyapples said:

I find WW easier. It's simpler to me to count points than count every calorie. Also I like that fruits and veggies have no points.

You know MFP does the math for you, right? Isn't it just inputting what you eat into one program or another?

Yes, I've used MFP before. I was able to lose weight but I couldn't keep it up long term. For me, it's too granular to worry about every single calorie. For example, if I make a sandwich, it's easier for me to just count the bread and meat/cheese, and not worry about the lettuce, tomatoes, onions and mustard. I don't want to have to weigh baby carrots you know?

Plus I eat like 5 servings of fruit a day.

[justjen]

I started online, but found that that going to meetings and getting an actual printed book helped me. In those first few days, I flipped through the book and just got an idea of how much things were, which was easier than typing in every single thing I thought about eating and seeing how many points they were.

So far today I've had

oatmeal (5)
coffee with low-fat milk (1)

1/4 cup almonds (4)
cheese stick (3)

grilled chicken skewer (2)
small sweet potato (4)

fruit (0)

So not a lot of processed crap (but admittedly, a fair mount of splenda). Change the low-fat milk to whole in the coffee, and it doesn't add much in the way of points.