Dems add God & Jerusalem back

[lys]

The Democrats have added Jerusalem and God language back into their official platform after outcries over their omission/removal from the 2008 language.

[msmerymac]

Can't they stick to their guns on anything? What a fucking weak party.

This is why I'm not voting for their presidential ticket this year, FWIW.

[PinkSquirrel]

Oh ffs, can the leaders of the democratic party please grow a pair?

[heyjude]

Dude I just watched it happen and it's hinky! It required a 2/3 voice vote and it sure as hell didn't sound like they got it. But the change was gaveled in anyway.

[smock]

This only makes it a bigger story, especially if they didn't really have the necessary 2/3 of the voice vote. And yeah, it does make the party look stupid.

[pixy0stix]

Oh ffs. Pansies. The lot of them.

[IIOY]

Sept 5, 2012 16:22:56 GMT -5 msmerymac said:

Can't they stick to their guns on anything? What a fucking weak party.

For better or worse, this has been the case for decades. My father is probably throwing shit as we speak because D weakness is a hot button issue for him.

[msmerymac]

Sept 5, 2012 16:32:05 GMT -5 IIOY said:

Sept 5, 2012 16:22:56 GMT -5 msmerymac said:

Can't they stick to their guns on anything? What a fucking weak party.

For better or worse, this has been the case for decades. My father is probably throwing shit as we speak because D weakness is a hot button issue for him.

Probably an extension of trying to be the "big tent" party. "Oh! Well, we DO love people who love God. And also Jews. And Muslims. And those who worship the FSM. And vegetarians. And hunters. And lesbians. And SAHMs." And the list goes on. They can't offend anyone, and end up not taking a stand on anything that might offend people who might be part of the party.

A coworker once said to me, "Say what you will about Bush and whether or not he made the right decisions, but at least he was decisive." I like Obama a lot. I like him as a person. I like him decently as a President. But there's always so much back and forth. "Well, that's a good point. And you have a good point too. And you, there, that is also a point I will consider." Holy shit, not everyone's opinion matters all the time.

This does not even touch on the point that I DO think God and Israel should have been left out, on purpose.

[OscarQ]

I posted this in the other thread but this is the shit that sets me off about the Dems. I don't give a damn about this issue but pick a platform and stick to it! For years I've been wanting the Dems to emulate the organizational skills and uniformity of the R's and I thought we were getting there. And then they go and pull this crap right when they're in the spotlight and have had a pretty awesome first day. They just can't help themselves and that is what makes them Dems. Grow a pair!

[heyjude]

Narrative: Dems really don't like god or Israel. Listen to that voice vote!

[Deleted]

I'm all for people changing their minds, but a day later!?!

[ringstrue]

Why?!?! Because Paul Ryan is a whiner cry baby about it?? FFS!

[lys]

Well, Michele did say that Obama cared about eveyone regardless of party affiliation, religion, sexual orientation, race, age, socionomic status etc etc. Kum by yah---
I agree that the vote looked like the no's had it --- it was not what the party officials (or Obama ) wanted, however.
Now the Dems can fight amongst themselves rather than against Romney/Ryan.

Rahm left to raise money for a Dem SuperPac --- they are hurting for money

[karinothing]

Sept 5, 2012 17:01:37 GMT -5 lys said:

Well, Michele did say that Obama cared about eveyone regardless of party affiliation, religion, sexual orientation, race, age, socionomic status etc etc. Kum by yah---
I agree that the vote looked like the no's had it --- it was not what the party officials (or Obama ) wanted, however.
Now the Dems can fight amongst themselves rather than against Romney/Ryan.

Rahm left to raise money for a Dem SuperPac --- they are hurting for money

While I agree that they have raised less than the repubs have this cycle it seems so odd to say they are hurting for money when they are still raising millions upon millions.

[meshaliuknits]

[basilosaurus]

I don't love invisible sky daddies. I guess there's no room for me.

[wawa]

Sept 5, 2012 17:33:20 GMT -5 basilosaurus said:

I don't love invisible sky daddies. I guess there's no room for me.

Invisible earth mommies? How about invisible water cousins? Fire-great uncles? Wood aunts? Stone brothers?

[UMaineTeach]

but, but, but,
this was JUST on my FB - says it was posted by the source 8 hours ago



"DNC has removed the one reference to God in their platform. LIKE if you agree, we are One Nation Under God!"

[UMaineTeach]

also - was the official party vote really done by an 'applause-o-meter' system? that's nuts.

[heyjude]

Sept 5, 2012 18:29:24 GMT -5 UMaineTeach said:

also - was the official party vote really done by an 'applause-o-meter' system? that's nuts.

Yes.

[epphd]

Goes to show that platforms are for shit. The R platform offends me NO END, and the D platform is evidently completely arbitrary. Still, I'd rather default to inclusiveness than exclusivity, so I have to side eye/chortle at Lys's disparaging of Michele's speech.

[karinothing]

Sept 5, 2012 18:29:24 GMT -5 UMaineTeach said:

also - was the official party vote really done by an 'applause-o-meter' system? that's nuts.

Well, if they are unable to tell by "applause-o-meter" they are supposed to tell people to stand up to see if you can see if there is 2/3s. THEN if that doesn't work you are supposed to send a representative from each delegation with their vote.

I just saw the clip on CNN and I really think they messed up. They should have moved to a standing vote and to a representative vote if necessary.

[GailGoldie]

Did you see the clip that shows the 'results' on the teleprompter? I'm assuming it's real.... and if it is - there are going to be some VERY pissed off people who were voting against adding it back.... not that they aren't already - the way it was done was such a clusterfuck.

[EllieArroway]

This is so stupid. It's just feeding into the R narrative -- I already have fb friends saying "OMG did you see the dems boo GOD!?!?!?" We just look weak and pathetic. (broken record)

[summer]

I hate this. They're biggest flaw is that they care so much about what the GOP has or will say about them.

They need a Democratic life coach or psychologist to get them over it. The GOP is just not into you! Go on with your life. You got a majority of the vote last time because people liked what you said. Go by that, not pundits and GOP talking points.

[marie427]

Eff that noise. Every time I think the Democrats finally grow some balls, they shrink back to non-existence again.