Post by WOUNDTIGHT on Sept 8, 2016 22:07:23 GMT -5
That apology was some sort of unfunny dramatic irony apology, right?
Like one you'd read in the Onion, that gets your blood pressure all rising up and suddenly you're really confused about what you are reading and if everything you've know is true all along has been wrong and if you're suddenly the dumbest person in the room, and then you remember you're reading an Onion article and its satire and absurd and suddenly all is right with the world as you understand it again.
Post by liveintheville on Sept 8, 2016 22:10:49 GMT -5
@natariru I'm so sorry this board has disappointed you, and us, over and over again. And as much as you try some (many) are, like you said, not worth wasting your time on them. And I'm sorry for this. And wish this board had not degenerated into this.
First, my comment about Newark was from a year ago. I realize it was in poor (very poor) taste. At the time i actually thought i shouldn't have said it after i posted it, but i didn't delete it. I should have never said it in the first place.
Second, i didn't know your parents lived there. I don't know the town that every one of my friends' parents live in. Again I'm sorry.
And as I pointed out: "It doesn't really matter if you know that any of our mom's specifically live there. Because SOMEONE'S mom does. There are people with hearts and emotions and real lives living there. Real people."
And really the whole "oh I had no idea" about my parents living in Newark is a flashback to all the times I've heard "you are too nice/smart/well mannered/educated to be from Newark"
and it's code for "well if I had known, I only would have bashed it behind your back, duh!"
Anyone else want to show their pearly white ass while we're at it?
I mean, you we're going to find you because clearly BOO BOO Kitty, so you'd better just step up to the gauntlet now, before the search party gets even more upset.
Seriously, yo, this shit is what ever comes after next level. I mean, damn if I wasn't so #petty, I'd actually feel bad for some of your dumb asses.
jessnpaul and I are in a local MMM FB group together. Someone kindly tagged me in a post there, saying how shitty this whole thing is. You know, b/c we have all met each other. Our kids have played together. HUMAN SHIT LIKE THAT. In that post, jessnpaul decided that instead of paying attention to what the fuck is happening here, she needed to know why I defriended her. Now, I was pretty much defriending everyone anyway, cuz why the fuck do I need to be friends with you after this, but I told her "For fucks sake, are you really going to make this about you right now? I'm defriending everyone." To which she replied "Ok" and then I was like, eh fuck it, might as well burn it all down in one shot.
THIS rubbed me the wrong way at the time but I brushed it off b/c I've been hearing this shit all my life:
But NOT TODAY FUCKERS. I posted that screenshot in the facebook post and got a "I can see where that could be taken as offensive".
HELLO, HAVE YOU NOT READ ANYTHING POSTED OVER HERE LATELY?!
I'm tired dude. I'm really fucking tired of this shit. So I left the FB group.
And I feel like I'm not even coherent anymore. My mind is blown by the stupidity.
ETA: When CloudBee pointed out that my parents live in Newark (and I grew up there), she was all "Oh, I had no idea"
First, my comment about Newark was from a year ago. I realize it was in poor (very poor) taste. At the time i actually thought i shouldn't have said it after i posted it, but i didn't delete it. I should have never said it in the first place.
Second, i didn't know your parents lived there. I don't know the town that every one of my friends' parents live in. Again I'm sorry.
If you are really sorry, then just gtfo of here and stop whitesplaining. You are only hurting @natariru more by trying to defend yourself and offering a terrible apology that just reflects how much you don't get this.
I predict that lindsaymgSJ @mrswindycity will be taking a break. Or maybe they will just get super busy, that's the excuse @asdfjkl seems to fall back on.
AmyRI seemed to think it was wrong when we dragged tokenhoser for being the racist, miserable bitch that she is.
I don't forget shit.
I do not intend to run away, delete, or deactivate.
But I also do not want to post long-winded posts making this about me or my feelings or anything that will resemble an excuse. I saw what was going on in that group and instead of shutting it down I let myself question and criticize TamiTaylor 's motives and methods. It is shameful beyond words.
Post by winecheery on Sept 8, 2016 22:24:51 GMT -5
Damn it. This thread is now moving so fast I can barely keep up. I'm up to page 22 (last page at the time of my post)
I am so fucking pissed. And emotional. And so very brokenhearted at the evil (because, that's what it feels like) that's been hiding in plain sight.
It is evil and wrong to be so two-faced and ugly, and full of hate and THINKING IT'S OK and it isn't worth my time to try and support the people that support that kind of environment.
*I* am worn out; and this isn't even directed at me FFS.
There are some wonderful, intelligent, witty, and loving women that are saying good riddance to bad rubbish, and taking their fabulous-fucking selves elsewhere, and I wish to goodness they would invite me to come with them, because fuck man, I like them. I like them and I don't want to be on a board without their contributions. I don't know what to do anymore. Screaming at my computer screen isn't helping.
Since I seem to be singled out and many posters were excluded from this call out, I will be the one to speak out here.
It was a group started for easy comms while we were in Chicago, the name is easily changed. I never changed the name.
I freely admit I think TamiTaylor's posts on every thread made me CRAZY. While I did not change the name of the group but I do think she was being the board police and I did not agree with her methods. I don't feel like you can force these conversations if people don't want to have them.
I DID speak up when Natariru was removed by someone other than me. It was pretty clear how I felt about it. Several people did and she was re-added within 10 min based on the general feedback of myself and other contributors.
Other than that the group just talked about other things in their lives outside the race conversations during the time of silence on other topics on this board.
I'm sorry.
yes, youcan. You need to fucking look at your biases because you got them..fuck. fuck you
Anyone else want to show their pearly white ass while we're at it?
I mean, you we're going to find you because clearly BOO BOO Kitty, so you'd better just step up to the gauntlet now, before the search party gets even more upset.
Seriously, yo, this shit is what ever comes after next level. I mean, damn if I wasn't so #petty, I'd actually feel bad for some of your dumb asses.
I can't tell if you are seriously calling yourself petty, but no. You're even humble and gracious as fuck in a throwdown.
Post by brandnewday on Sept 8, 2016 22:39:19 GMT -5
See, all this ass showing. This right here is arguably the most dangerous type of racism. Because none of y'all basic bitches are really changing, are really paying attention, are really learning. After all of that hype about "I'm going to do better, blah blah," this thread just shows the platitudes of posters on this board and across GBCN. People never thinking or believing they're racist, but sure as hell pulling some petty messy racist shit out full force.
KOKO with your subconscious or conscious jabs at the elevation of whiteness compared to WOC, your disgusting but tolerated privilege. WOC do not have any illusions that there is a sincere or concerted effort to be better. Y'all couldn't even call the sesalee on her groupme name change. Couldn't even handle another white person (TT) advocating for black people, because she rubbed you wrong. Because like WOC, she should know her place.
This thread just keeps on outing more and more of you trying to look the part and failing.
And really the whole "oh I had no idea" about my parents living in Newark is a flashback to all the times I've heard "you are too nice/smart/well mannered/educated to be from Newark"
I can relate, sadly, born and raised in Camden. Guess what? I like my life too!
Eta: I figured it out, see me speaks right bc I only lived in Camden for the first 12 years of my life, and I went to catholic school. They teach us poor folk nice and right.
Warning to all: I still have family that lives in Camden, just so you are aware. In case you want to insult it or something like that or maybe you want a tour?
Post by litebright on Sept 8, 2016 22:47:21 GMT -5
I'm going to say one thing to the collective white us: We shouldn't mix up standing up for POC with jumping on the bandwagon and clucking with the rest of the hens, all feathers and short-term memories. Oh, good for us for piling in here for pages and pages of saying that blatant racism is bad, after the fact! If we were living up to all that outrage, people would KNOW they can't say shit like "I like my life too much to travel to Newark" because they would get jumped all over the second it went on the page. And it wouldn't be tolerated, on a GBCN board or in a PM group or whatever, for people to equate "board police" with "trying like hell to get people to quit with the racial aggressions" -- I mean, my God, that's exactly why Trump supporters hate on "being PC." It wouldn't just be weak likes, that shit would be getting shut down. It's not. Not fast enough, not hard enough, not by enough of us.
I never know whether to say anything at all in these threads, because I feel like I'm just offering up more white tears about how awful other white people are and that's just about useless. And the implication there is that I'm think I'm better because I'm "trying and listening" when hell, I showed my ass over a black author earlier this week and was goddamn ashamed of and angry with myself.
Fuck, people. I want to believe that the collective white us can "do better" and "be better" and all that trite shit that really just means be a fucking decent and reasonably sensitive human being, but fuck if we actually are.
I hate to say that I find this amusing (because obviously it is a very serious and terrible subject), but it is just SO RICH that this is happening on MM Moms, which is a group that seems to pride itself on being rather enlightened.
I have been waiting and waiting for the perfect moment to use this gif.
It has arrived.
i see this board and my brain cells diminish quickly fucking disney posts and whatever.
It's no secret on here that jessnpaul is one my best friends IRL. I have known her for many, many years. She is fiercely loyal to her friends, and she considered @natatiru a friend. I'm guessing she didn't realize this was a mass defending, and took it personally.
I fully expect that people who don't know her will flame me for this, and I really hope nata herself won't hate me, because I do value her friendship. For my part, I really, truly have been examining myself and my biases since the BHBE comment started. I haven't spoken up as much as I should, because being forced to recognize some of my own ignorance (my feelings about my own fair, blue-eyed baby, as a dark, hairy Italian in an area of the country where that carries certain presumptions [but is not even a small fraction of what WOC face], my feelings on my Irish married last name vs my very long and Italian maiden name) has made me feel I was not in a position to throw stones. I am trying to be better. But I understand that people don't want to hear it from me. I even accept "fuck yous." I will still try to be better.