Like, really white people. Just knock it off. Or not, I really don't care. But some of you are deluding yourselves if you honestly think most black people are just out here dying for "white allies". I know a lot of very black people. 98.756% give as many fucks about you as you've demonstrated to give about them. You're embarrassing yourselves. My views sound extreme here, but they really aren't outside of the UMC echo chamber of this board. This shit is ridiculous.
This is blazing truth. And really? White people shouldn't expect a goddamn thing but virulent hatred after the way we've treated black people for centuries. But because we're so full of our own bullshit supremacy, we expect black people to be cool with our bullshit "allyship", like we're not daily killing their children for no goddamn reason. Fuck white people for real. Not one of us is worth shit.
I don't want or need any apologies either. I actually don't expect any of you to do any better. I never have and never will let my guard down. More than anything I just want y'all (white people) to know that WE (WOC) have always caught on and are aware of your true feelings and interactions. We roll our eyes when you say stuff like PG County isn't a good place to live (was it ssmjlm? can't remember) or that you don't want to go to ATL during SpelHouse's homecoming (zarapipe, remember that one?). And those aren't even the slick ones. Those are so obvious.
I said some parts were not good. I don't remember it being an issue, maybe it was. But yes I was part of that conversation.
Seriously.LOL. Every white person on these boards who is familiar with MD has talked shit about PG County either on here, IRL, or both. Nevermind that it is the wealthiest black majority county in the US. Every county has its bad parts. Reflect a little. PG County is looked down on because it predominantly black.
Living here my whole life has probably shielded me from a lot of this nonsense on these boards because I am used to being the majority. I didn't start really experiencing a lot of what WOC here have until I entered the work world. Cuz one thing white people can't stand is a black person who knows her shit and is the shit. Amiright @kirkette
I said some parts were not good. I don't remember it being an issue, maybe it was. But yes I was part of that conversation.
Seriously.LOL. Every white person on these boards who is familiar with MD has talked shit about PG County either on here, IRL, or both. Nevermind that it is the wealthiest black majority county in the US. Every county has its bad parts. Reflect a little. PG County is looked down on because it predominantly black.
Living here my whole life has probably shielded me from a lot of this nonsense on these boards because I am used to being the majority. I didn't start really experiencing a lot of what WOC here have until I entered the work world. Cuz one thing white people can't stand is a black person who knows her shit and is the shit. Amiright @kirkette
I don't want to take away from your point because I agree, but I grew up in Prince George's County (Temple Hills and Camp Springs, to be specific) and I love it.
Are you bitches for real, with Snow? LOL What year is it? Am I supposed to be wearing some Cross-Color overalls backwards or some shit? You know I don't wear pants. Pants are for boys!
I thought the idea of having my life being told via dumb ass My Little Ponies was some mess, but having Snow speak on behalf of my pain is really too damn much!
Snow, y'all, Snow. Not even the awesomeness of that is The Beastie Boys (pours one out for Adam Yauch, I'm still not over his passing), or Rage Against the Machine, the dude who all can remember saying is some straight gibberish and a licky boom- boom down. Da Fuq??
I was 12!!! I thought this is some deep ass shit THEN they put the lyrics on the bottom of the video & my 12 year old heart was broken. I had like no idea about life!!
Yeah, but you went to Harvard and may be used to the social climate, and you're also not black, let alone dark black,married to someone whiter than white, so you may not have to take these things into consideration when traveling. Enjoy your trip!
I actually felt like Boston had a whole lot more black people than Asian people, but that is irrelevant. You are right. I don't deal with the same issues.
I've been reading this thread for days and feel like such a fool for not recognizing microagressions and blatant racism as baje shared re: nude shoes. I'm sure I've made some asinine comments here and I'm sure I will I the future. But damn I will be doing a lot more thinking before speaking. We (white people) have some serious ground to make up. I'm sorry to the gracious WOC here who continue to engage in what must be an infuriating conversation.
Maybe it is?? Maybe I expect to be taught too much?? I probably do. I heard that it was a racial justice stand in like 2001, & rarely have thought about Nelly since.
I also thought the lyrics to Informer by Snow were going to be amazing & deep & then found out they were " a lickey boom boom down" & was all disappointed.
I have a tendency to overestimate art.
I think that was his attempt to say in patois that he was going to knock down the informer/snitch "ah lick 'e bum bum down" = I'll knock his ass down.
But in true shitty cultural appropriation style he effed up the translation because no Jamaican dancehall artist is going to talk about another man's "bum bum". It would be "mi lick 'im backside down" or "mi wi lick 'im down tuh backside".
Snow is the fucking worst.
Ahhhh!! Thank You!! I agree he was the worst. 12 year old Saves was not Uhm a cool kid...
Since we are talking about Hamilton, DD is always telling me she is not throwing away her shot. She also uses the same beat to tell me she is not putting on her pj's. Or not gonna eat her veggies. It's fun to let her think she has choices.
My parents are from outskirts of Chicago. It's racist as shit.
I now live in San Diego. It's racist as shit.
Are you in East County? There is a large amount of white racist asshats in that part of SD county. I've had a few people on here make some not so nice comments about where I live because we have "bad schools" (you know...too many mexicans and people who speak Spanish). I'll stick to my part of the county where we have a taqueria every few blocks and I don't get glared at by white people if I speak Spanish in public.
My parents are from outskirts of Chicago. It's racist as shit.
I now live in San Diego. It's racist as shit.
Seattle, one of the most liberal cities in the country, is racist as shit.
ETA: I went to college in Boston as well-- or rather, Newton-- and I definitely saw more racism there then I ever did living in Spokane, which is 96% white, and next door to the old Aryan Nation headquarters.
My parents are from outskirts of Chicago. It's racist as shit.
I now live in San Diego. It's racist as shit.
Are you in East County? There is a large amount of white racist asshats in that part of SD county. I've had a few people on here make some not so nice comments about where I live because we have "bad schools" (you know...too many mexicans and people who speak Spanish). I'll stick to my part of the county where we have a taqueria every few blocks and I don't get glared at by white people if I speak Spanish in public.
My parents are from outskirts of Chicago. It's racist as shit.
I now live in San Diego. It's racist as shit.
Seattle, one of the most liberal cities in the country, is racist as shit.
ETA: I went to college in Boston as well-- or rather, Newton-- and I definitely saw more racism there then I ever did living in Spokane, which is 96% white, and next door to the old Aryan Nation headquarters.
Re: Spokane and the nearby Aryan Nation... I'm reading a book about the Ruby Ridge standoff in 1992. I was mostly too young to know what was going on when it happened. But the whole "American Redoubt" thing scares the shit out of me. So fucked up.
We went to the University of Idaho football game last week. Idaho: where there is no longer a law requiring a permit to carry a concealed weapons but you can't drink in the tailgates. Huh?
Seattle, one of the most liberal cities in the country, is racist as shit.
ETA: I went to college in Boston as well-- or rather, Newton-- and I definitely saw more racism there then I ever did living in Spokane, which is 96% white, and next door to the old Aryan Nation headquarters.
Re: Spokane and the nearby Aryan Nation... I'm reading a book about the Ruby Ridge standoff in 1992. I was mostly too young to know what was going on when it happened. But the whole "American Redoubt" thing scares the shit out of me. So fucked up.
We went to the University of Idaho football game last week. Idaho: where there is no longer a law requiring a permit to carry a concealed weapons but you can't drink in the tailgates. Huh?
So, so fucked up indeed. I lived there from [** deleted], and one of my primary roles was to recruit athletes for the sport I was coaching. Trying to recruit POC was... difficult. And yet, there was so much pressure.
ETA: what's the name of the book? I was vaguely familiar with what was going on when I lived there (I believe it was right around then that the lawsuit was settled, giving Butler's land to the family of one of his victims.), but I'd like to read more about the history there.
Re: Spokane and the nearby Aryan Nation... I'm reading a book about the Ruby Ridge standoff in 1992. I was mostly too young to know what was going on when it happened. But the whole "American Redoubt" thing scares the shit out of me. So fucked up.
We went to the University of Idaho football game last week. Idaho: where there is no longer a law requiring a permit to carry a concealed weapons but you can't drink in the tailgates. Huh?
So, so fucked up indeed. I lived there from 1998 to 2003, and one of my primary roles was to recruit athletes for the sport I was coaching. Trying to recruit POC was... difficult. And yet, there was so much pressure.
Seattle, one of the most liberal cities in the country, is racist as shit.
ETA: I went to college in Boston as well-- or rather, Newton-- and I definitely saw more racism there then I ever did living in Spokane, which is 96% white, and next door to the old Aryan Nation headquarters.
Oh man. I met some racist assholes in Spokane. I wonder if it just doesn't come up very often because everyone is white.
There were so few POC on campus. But the local anti-Native American sentiment was real. And heavy.
Seattle, one of the most liberal cities in the country, is racist as shit.
ETA: I went to college in Boston as well-- or rather, Newton-- and I definitely saw more racism there then I ever did living in Spokane, which is 96% white, and next door to the old Aryan Nation headquarters.
Oh man. I met some racist assholes in Spokane. I wonder if it just doesn't come up very often because everyone is white.
Have you been following what's happening in the Spokane Police Department/ Mayor? Totally fucked up.
I think that was his attempt to say in patois that he was going to knock down the informer/snitch "ah lick 'e bum bum down" = I'll knock his ass down.
But in true shitty cultural appropriation style he effed up the translation because no Jamaican dancehall artist is going to talk about another man's "bum bum". It would be "mi lick 'im backside down" or "mi wi lick 'im down tuh backside".
Snow is the fucking worst.
So true!!! There will be no licking a mans bum bum in any dancehall music. Mi a' go lick 'im backside down to rass' or something like that!!!
In Guyana I believe this would be a good old fashioned 'cutrass'
Oh man. I met some racist assholes in Spokane. I wonder if it just doesn't come up very often because everyone is white.
There were so few POC on campus. But the local anti-Native American sentiment was real. And heavy.
For real, I was just typing the same thing. EWU still had the tomahawks on the brick pavers of their athletic complex. The high school I went to had the mascot of "The Blackhawks," "in honor of" a Native American leader. WHAT THE FUCK?
There were so few POC on campus. But the local anti-Native American sentiment was real. And heavy.
For real, I was just typing the same thing. EWU still had the tomahawks on the brick pavers of their athletic complex. The high school I went to had the mascot of "The Blackhawks," "in honor of" a Native American leader. WHAT THE FUCK?
I remember this. I was in grad school and Sherman Alexie had been a guest-lecturer only a few days before I found myself on the EWU campus wondering what the hell I was seeing.
For real, I was just typing the same thing. EWU still had the tomahawks on the brick pavers of their athletic complex. The high school I went to had the mascot of "The Blackhawks," "in honor of" a Native American leader. WHAT THE FUCK?
I remember this. I was in grad school and Sherman Alexie had been a guest-lecturer only a few days before I found myself on the EWU campus wondering what the hell I was seeing.
My parents are from outskirts of Chicago. It's racist as shit.
I now live in San Diego. It's racist as shit.
Seattle, one of the most liberal cities in the country, is racist as shit.
ETA: I went to college in Boston as well-- or rather, Newton-- and I definitely saw more racism there then I ever did living in Spokane, which is 96% white, and next door to the old Aryan Nation headquarters.
I live in Seattle and was recently discussing with DH some of the gross stuff we heard from people when we first bought our house, which was when there was still the "controlled choice" regarding schools. So many people advised us to go the private school route when they heard what our middle school and high school assignments were. Now days, everyone tells me how great the schools are. I doubt they're referring to any major changes to teaching and administrative staff.
Seattle, one of the most liberal cities in the country, is racist as shit.
ETA: I went to college in Boston as well-- or rather, Newton-- and I definitely saw more racism there then I ever did living in Spokane, which is 96% white, and next door to the old Aryan Nation headquarters.
I live in Seattle and was recently discussing with DH some of the gross stuff we heard from people when we first bought our house, which was when there was still the "controlled choice" regarding schools. So many people advised us to go the private school route when they heard what our middle school and high school assignments were. Now days, everyone tells me how great the schools are. I doubt they're referring to any major changes to teaching and administrative staff.
Granted, I teach in a private school, but I'm familiar with our neighborhood public schools at all levels. I am certain that many of our private schools are far more diverse than the public middle and high schools in north Seattle.
People here hide behind the idea of "Seattle nice," (as evidenced when trying to merge onto the highway) but I think the prevailing attitude here is that we've already done the work and because it is such a liberal city, we are so evolved, we've somehow arrived as a post-racial utopia. And yet, our city is very segregated.
Are you bitches for real, with Snow? LOL What year is it? Am I supposed to be wearing some Cross-Color overalls backwards or some shit? You know I don't wear pants. Pants are for boys!
I thought the idea of having my life being told via dumb ass My Little Ponies was some mess, but having Snow speak on behalf of my pain is really too damn much!
Snow, y'all, Snow. Not even the awesomeness of that is The Beastie Boys (pours one out for Adam Yauch, I'm still not over his passing), or Rage Against the Machine, the dude who all can remember saying is some straight gibberish and a licky boom- boom down. Da Fuq??
Aww, c'mon. Snow is just a nice Canadian. Why are you picking on him?
I live in Seattle and was recently discussing with DH some of the gross stuff we heard from people when we first bought our house, which was when there was still the "controlled choice" regarding schools. So many people advised us to go the private school route when they heard what our middle school and high school assignments were. Now days, everyone tells me how great the schools are. I doubt they're referring to any major changes to teaching and administrative staff.
Granted, I teach in a private school, but I'm familiar with our neighborhood public schools at all levels. I am certain that many of our private schools are far more diverse than the public middle and high schools in north Seattle.
People here hide behind the idea of "Seattle nice," (as evidenced when trying to merge onto the highway) but I think the prevailing attitude here is that we've already done the work and because it is such a liberal city, we are so evolved, we've somehow arrived as a post-racial utopia. And yet, our city is very segregated.
The things I heard about the public schools were that they were "rough" and this is back when they were more diverse than they are now.
The attitude towards racism here is really frustrating, and I'll admit it took me an embarrassingly long time to pick up on it. A lot of it is silence on racism from people who are very vocal about LGTBQ equality and women's rights, but as I mentioned with the schools, there's also some coded language. I grew up just outside the city and I used to get teased for it (and I'm being vague on details) and at first I thought it was just snobbery, but one day it clicked that it was racist as hell and I felt like such a dumbass for not seeing it sooner.
Seattle, one of the most liberal cities in the country, is racist as shit.
ETA: I went to college in Boston as well-- or rather, Newton-- and I definitely saw more racism there then I ever did living in Spokane, which is 96% white, and next door to the old Aryan Nation headquarters.
Oh man. I met some racist assholes in Spokane. I wonder if it just doesn't come up very often because everyone is white.
I almost went to law school at Gonzaga. Shortly after I received my acceptance letter, I received a second letter, advising that the school was "looking into the recent racial incidents" that were "similar to those that occurred the PREVIOUS TWO YEARS (emphasis added)," all of which were close in time to Hitler's birthday. Then I reviewed the admissions video they had sent and noticed that within 30 minutes of film the only POC was a photo of an AA student.
Look. Every place is racist. It is how this country was founded. It just depends on where you live who that racism is directed to, but it is always a minority. So you can say oh this place is racist as fuck I'm so glad I don't live there. But that is part of the problem. Look at the issues where you live. I am sure there are many. No place has transcended racist issues. This thread should show you that. And it seems like people are already reverting to the 'not me, it's those people over there. They are so much worse.' This is why nothing will ever really change. You might change a person here and there but overall people are going to try to justify how other people are worse than them so they aren't so bad.
If anyone is still reading this I have a book rec. The Fire This Time: A New Generation Speaks About Race edited by Jesmyn Ward.
Post by notsocreepylurker on Sept 12, 2016 7:30:08 GMT -5
It took me several days to read all 64 pages but I have. I am white and guilty. I didn't know about micro agressions before January. I try to speak up when I can.
This conversation reminds me of an old Chris Rock special. He's talking about how Oprah was rich but not wealthy (as in black people will NEVER be wealthy). He said Bill Gates is wealthy. Shaq is rich, the white man who signs his check is wealthy. Wealth will set them free. Wealth is power. He ends the that segment saying the white janitor in the theater wouldn't switch places with him (Chris) in a million years (even though Chris is rich).