Except so much worse. Instead of being teens with little life experience that are being taught what to think by family, this is "grown" women in the real world who have watched all the things posted and have seen the racism happen, yet continue being nasty individuals. It's nearly psychopathic. Or maybe it is.
Yeah, I'm disappointed but not surprised. It was a really active board to not. Of course active posters went somewhere else so they didn't have to engage in conversations that made them uncomfortable. Makes perfect sense but it's gross.
I'm so angry that this board has run off natariru and so many others are just leaving and staying silent now.
Oh, I haven't been run off. I'm leaving bc you people suck.
I don't even know what to say except JFC to all of this ish. Although one phrase does keep going around and around in my brain - what's done in the dark always comes to light. Messy messy messy.
TamiTaylor you were absolutely in the right. You made people uncomfortable. You did what everyone in the GroupMe didn't do: ask people to own their shit / racist behaviors. I know you don't GAF but I wanted to say it anyway.
People being uncomfortable is their fucking problem not mine.
Yeah, I'm disappointed but not surprised. It was a really active board to not. Of course active posters went somewhere else so they didn't have to engage in conversations that made them uncomfortable. Makes perfect sense but it's gross.
I'm so angry that this board has run off natariru and so many others are just leaving and staying silent now.
Oh, I haven't been run off. I'm leaving bc you people suck.
This is an important distinction. Pretty soon this board will be nothing but the most delicate and fragile white women, drowning in pools of their own collective tears. All the while reading, and listening, and learning. L-O-Fucking-L. Never before has there been a more hollow mantra.
Post by matildasun on Sept 8, 2016 18:17:02 GMT -5
My first reaction to being called out is always anger and defensiveness. Last week when Tami posted I took it personally and I responded angrily, in that group chat, to TamiTaylor's posts by calling names and I own that.
I am not sorry that this was made public. It should have been.
I don't even know what to say except JFC to all of this ish. Although one phrase does keep going around and around in my brain - what's done in the dark always comes to light. Messy messy messy.
Yup. I keep typing and deleting, typing and deleting. I don't like the idea of the board becoming even more homogeneous, but I understand why @natariru and others are leaving. This place sucks.
I don't blame you for leaving either @natariru, I would if I were you as well.
I also thought that TamiTaylor's posts were weird at first, but the more I thought about it the more I realized that she is right. We were ignoring the topic at hand and posting in all those other posts just show that we are not paying attention, or just don't care. I know that's not the case for everyone but I can see that's how it feels from all the WOCs perspective.
Yeah, I'm disappointed but not surprised. It was a really active board to not. Of course active posters went somewhere else so they didn't have to engage in conversations that made them uncomfortable. Makes perfect sense but it's gross.
I'm so angry that this board has run off natariru and so many others are just leaving and staying silent now.
Oh, I haven't been run off. I'm leaving bc you people suck.
Right?
I want to make it clear that I haven't been run off because my feelings are hurt or some shit. Like, I'm used to this stuff, these kind of comments and actions. It's our lives. Like I said before, I deal with enough bullshit in real life (I can think of 2 examples today), so why would i want to subject myself to bullshit in my free time.
So everyone can keep on with the "I'm listening and learning" escapades. I'm not here for that nonsense. Not here to teach anyone how to be a decent human being. "Ain't nobody got time for that." At this point, I'd be happy with continued gifs in this thread because at least it'd give me something to laugh at with this continued foolish nonsense that probably won't change.
I wish I had the right words but all that's coming to my head is a bunch of fuck yous. I'm not a regular here but I do read along a lot and it's constantly disheartening how, despite very clear direction from both WOC and allies, some chucklefucks continue to not get it or deliberate choose to continue racist behavior. And an off board message group to mock people? Come the fuck on. Do better, people. Do better.
"Hello babies. Welcome to Earth. It's hot in the summer and cold in the winter. It's round and wet and crowded. On the outside, babies, you've got a hundred years here. There's only one rule that I know of, babies-"God damn it, you've got to be kind.”
I want to make it clear that I haven't been run off because my feelings are hurt or some shit. Like, I'm used to this stuff, these kind of comments and actions. It's our lives. Like I said before, I deal with enough bullshit in real life (I can think of 2 examples today), so why would i want to subject myself to bullshit in my free time.
So everyone can keep on with the "I'm listening and learning" escapades. I'm not here for that nonsense. Not here to teach anyone how to be a decent human being. "Ain't nobody got time for that." At this point, I'd be happy with continued gifs in this thread because at least it'd give me something to laugh at with this continued foolish nonsense that probably won't change.
I'm actually chuckling at the thought of me being run off anywhere. I am basically the physical embodiment of confrontation. Anyone who has met me in person knows this. I don't fucking cower.
My first reaction to being called out is always anger and defensiveness. Last week when Tami posted I took it personally and I responded angrily, in that group chat, to TamiTaylor's posts by calling names and I own that.
I am not sorry that this was made public. It should have been.
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what did I do to you personally to warrant that? Nothing. I didn't call out by name or attack you. You got uncomfortable with yourself and deflected that feeling on to me.
I mean....you all deleted Nata so you could talk shit about Tami without it getting back to Tami....and you talked shit about Tami posting on the board about race issues?
And people thought that was okay?!?!?
Look people. I'm as white as they come. My white privilege is strong and my bubble is thick. I'm working on it, but it's there.
AND I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW MESSED UP ALL OF THAT IS.
Lol that ur screenname is bex fitting for some here
I know :-(
As proof of my bubble, I had no idea that "Becky" was a thing until Lemonade.
Private group shit-talking is one thing. Renaming your whole group because you're pissed at one person is just pathetic. What are you, pre-teen mean girls? Especially considering TamiTaylor was doing the RIGHT THING making people confront the racism on the board. I don't like being told Fuck You as much as the next person. But your feelings were so hurt you renamed your whole group and kicked her "friends" out, aka singled out a woman of color who Tami was sticking up for? Come the fuck on. And you want to act like it's because she would tell Tami. No, she landed on the "wrong" side of your middle school bullying-esque feud where you defend racists. Can't have her seeing that shit.
@natariru, you're so much better off without them. THANK YOU for the call out. I'm jealous y'all have a board where you don't have to deal with this shit. I'll be sticking to ML from now on, which has plenty of it's own issues, but this is way too messy.
This is some straight up bull shit. I'm sorry yet again that the WOC in this community have been treated this way. You all have much more class than I do for putting up with this shit every fucking day of your lives.
WTF with being uncomfortable about TamiTaylor's posts, because you didn't want to face it. That there is some white privilege. You all are probably women who get upset when people point out your privilege.
It's disgusting how the WOC and supporters have been treated here. These women have been there for all of us and offered support when needed. To thank them this happens. I'm lucky enough to be blessed with @natariru as a real life friend and am horrified by how she, the other WOC and tami have been treated. They shouldn't have to deal with this shit daily in a place they considered their home and with people they thought were their friends.
I'm actually chuckling at the thought of me being run off anywhere. I am basically the physical embodiment of confrontation. Anyone who has met me in person knows this. I don't fucking cower.
This is why we get along. This is not about hurt feelings, this is about epic levels of shit day in day out.
POC all know we are only moderately tolerated by most white folk. Once we stop being entertaining, and speak out mind, we're shushed or taken out quicker then the Showtime at The Apollo cane. That's right, moderately tolerated. Bet that makes a few fragile posters squirm.
Post by starburst604 on Sept 8, 2016 18:39:09 GMT -5
Fuck listening. Fuck learning. JUST BE DECENT, PEOPLE. Why is this hard?! Something about seeing this in screenshots is just extra infuriating to me. There it is for all to see - "removed from conversation". I'll admit I haven't read this whole thread yet and whatever explanations anyone involved is offering up. I don't see what could explain this away. BE DECENT. How would you feel seeing someone exclude you, your child, like that?! Jesus.
Hell, I talk shit straight to people's faces WASP style, as Lord knows I'm far from perfect. But there's a difference between, "Well, now, those are some shoes!", or "Ooh, that's a baby!", and clearly being racist.
Everyone isn't going to like everyone all the time. We're not all going to hug, hold hands, and sing kumbyah or other spirituals because we all happen to have unprotected sex (with our partners, not each other) around the same time, over the years.
Yet, can't some bitches be decent? I'm not asking for nice, but is asking for civility and to take a beat before you post, that much to ask a group of grown assed folk responsible for rearing young lives?
Sweet Jesus!
I read this as cville when first skimming and thought you were calling her out and my heart was DONE. there are not many white posters on here that I would truly go to bat for, but that is my GIRL.
carry on with the dragging.
I rarely venture to this board, so my blood ran cold when I got this tag!
I hate to say that I find this amusing (because obviously it is a very serious and terrible subject), but it is just SO RICH that this is happening on MM Moms, which is a group that seems to pride itself on being rather enlightened.
I have been waiting and waiting for the perfect moment to use this gif.
I hate to say that I find this amusing (because obviously it is a very serious and terrible subject), but it is just SO RICH that this is happening on MM Moms, which is a group that seems to pride itself on being rather enlightened.
I have been waiting and waiting for the perfect moment to use this gif.
It has arrived.
it is amusing, but I don't think the board makes any difference. Let's not give good old ML any kind of pass. I think they're down to two regular black posters, my dumb ass included.
Yeah, I'm disappointed but not surprised. It was a really active board to not. Of course active posters went somewhere else so they didn't have to engage in conversations that made them uncomfortable. Makes perfect sense but it's gross.
I'm so angry that this board has run off natariru and so many others are just leaving and staying silent now.
Oh, I haven't been run off. I'm leaving bc you people suck.
Well, yes. That has been proven very true. Let me rephrase--I'm angry that this place that has been your home for so long is no longer a place that you want to come to. I totally don't blame you one bit.
I'm actually chuckling at the thought of me being run off anywhere. I am basically the physical embodiment of confrontation. Anyone who has met me in person knows this. I don't fucking cower.
This is why we get along. This is not about hurt feelings, this is about epic levels of shit day in day out.
POC all know we are only moderately tolerated by most white folk. Once we stop being entertaining, and speak out mind, we're shushed or taken out quicker then the Showtime at The Apollo cane. That's right, moderately tolerated. Bet that makes a few fragile posters squirm.
This is horrible. It is horrible that POC feel this way simply because of the tone of their skin. The mere idea of 'being tolerated' is just so gross. It is disgusting that any human should have to feel this way.