Post by olivesyou on Sept 12, 2016 10:39:23 GMT -5
Did anyone watch the special on A&E last night about the Jonbenet Ramsey murder and investigation? Next week on CBS is the start to a true crime series about the case. Also, lifetime aired a commercial for an upcoming series, I think it may be a re enactment like the OJ story was earlier this year. Why all the sudden new press/media about it? Did something new just come or is about to come out?
Regarding the special last night, it was disturbing, I couldn't stop thinking about that poor girl. Don't read below if this kind of violence will upset you...
.... They actually showed crime scene footage of Jonbenet, with the wire around her neck. She was facedown, they were highlighting a potential stun gun injury to her face. It was so graphic. And the close up of her neck with the finger nail marks, so so sad.
I don't think the parents did it, but it is such a strange case. Does anyone want to discuss?
I know there was something that just came out about the DNA "specialist" basically being a fraud so anything related to DNA can't really be used anymore. AKA the parents are no longer cleared.
Post by yourmother on Sept 12, 2016 10:52:56 GMT -5
I watched the 2 hour Dateline special. I hadn't paid attention to all of the details of the murder weapon in the past. Such a strange case with the ransom letter written on their stationary and the weapon made of PR's paint brush.
I think the resurgence is because it's the 20th anniversary, maybe? I watched the Dateline special and I think that's what they said. It is a horrifying crime under any scenario, and the details are so weird.
I watched the 2 hour Dateline special. I hadn't paid attention to all of the details of the murder weapon in the past. Such a strange case with the ransom letter written on their stationary and the weapon made of PR's paint brush.
Right, it was like the entire event took place inside the house, with little or no preplanning. So strange
What is the basis for not thinking the parents did it?
The DNA evidence cleared them b/c there was DNA not from them on her underwear. But now that evidence is questionable b/c the person who cleared them had no actual credentials to do so.
Has anybody seen the clips of Burke? His affect is so bizarre. I understand that he may be socially awkward or even on the spectrum, but he is smiling and giggling/laughing through a lot of it and honestly comes across like a child- not a 29 year old adult.
That was interesting to me. His affect is REALLY odd in the clips.
The acting like a kid thing would make sense if he is on the spectrum (not sure if I think he is or not) because they are typically 1/2-2/3 of their chronological age socially and behaviorally so he would be between 14/15 and 19/20.
There is also the possible impact of any abuse he suffered on his development.
I think someone in the family either did it or was involved in the cover up so he is on my suspect list.
Has anybody seen the clips of Burke? His affect is so bizarre. I understand that he may be socially awkward or even on the spectrum, but he is smiling and giggling/laughing through a lot of it and honestly comes across like a child- not a 29 year old adult.
That was interesting to me. His affect is REALLY odd in the clips.
The acting like a kid thing would make sense if he is on the spectrum (not sure if I think he is or not) because they are typically 1/2-2/3 of their chronological age socially and behaviorally so he would be between 14/15 and 19/20.
There is also the possible impact of any abuse he suffered on his development.
I think someone in the family either did it or was involved in the cover up so he is on my suspect list.
I think there is a good chance he did it and the parents were covering up for him. It is such a sad case and just horrific what she went through.
I am watching it now but if memory serves right one of the biggest clues that it was someone from in the home was a lack of footprints in the snow.
It has snowed just recently and since there wasn't indication the front door wasn't broken into and they entered potentially through the basement window there would have been footprints. That part was really odd to me.
But, you know, if they wanted to purposely hinder the investigation they did and did it well. They invited their friends and pastor over. Both parents touched, laid and moved her. The father ripped the tape off her mouth and carried her upstairs. Patsy laid with her on the ground. IDK, but, I don't want to look too deeply because that can all be a normal reaction to finding your baby dead.
Also, the fbi wanted a copy of their handwritting and the father provided him with a pad which is sitting by the phone. It could have been planned like that.
Oh, and the money! John Ramsey just recieved a Christmas bonus right around 118k and change. The ransom note specifically requesting 118k. That is one hell of a lucky guess.
Has anybody seen the clips of Burke? His affect is so bizarre. I understand that he may be socially awkward or even on the spectrum, but he is smiling and giggling/laughing through a lot of it and honestly comes across like a child- not a 29 year old adult.
I saw a clip from the Dr. Phil interview and this is what I thought too. He's creepy.
I am watching it now but if memory serves right one of the biggest clues that it was someone from in the home was a lack of footprints in the snow.
It has snowed just recently and since there wasn't indication the front door wasn't broken into and they entered potentially through the basement window there would have been footprints. That part was really odd to me.
But, you know, if they wanted to purposely hinder the investigation they did and did it well. They invited their friends and pastor over. Both parents touched, laid and moved her. The father ripped the tape off her mouth and carried her upstairs. Patsy laid with her on the ground. IDK, but, I don't want to look too deeply because that can all be a normal reaction to finding your baby dead.
Also, the fbi wanted a copy of their handwritting and the father provided him with a pad which is sitting by the phone. It could have been planned like that.
Ugh...this murder haunts me. So fucking odd.
The footprint thing was widely thought to be true- but the a & e special shows pictures of the outside on that morning and there is no snow on the ground except maybe a few patches here and there.
No, i think a lot of the footage they show from the outside is after the incident. I thought the same thing but if you go back and see when her body was being removed from the house there are several inches of snow on the ground. I rewound it a couple of times, lol. Overinvested.
So I was reading on another web site and it showed a floor plan of the house. Who was John Andrew? Is that John Ramsey's other son? how old was he and where was he when this happened?
Has anybody seen the clips of Burke? His affect is so bizarre. I understand that he may be socially awkward or even on the spectrum, but he is smiling and giggling/laughing through a lot of it and honestly comes across like a child- not a 29 year old adult.
I saw a clip from the Dr. Phil interview and this is what I thought too. He's creepy.
If the brother did it that is some sadistic shit for a 9 year old. Sadistic.
No, i think a lot of the footage they show from the outside is after the incident. I thought the same thing but if you go back and see when her body was being removed from the house there are several inches of snow on the ground. I rewound it a couple of times, lol. Overinvested.
Oh ok- in the a & e special they point that out as a mistake that the police perpetuated. But maybe you didn't get that far yet.
The whole thing is confusing. I need to rewind and double check.
Duh, I am watching the dateline episode so I need to watch the a and e one to compare.
I also never realized John was married prior and his 22 year old daughter was killed in a car accident a year or two prior. I couldn't imagine e losing one child, let alone 2.
So I was reading on another web site and it showed a floor plan of the house. Who was John Andrew? Is that John Ramsey's other son? how old was he and where was he when this happened?
What is the website? I was intrigued by the layout of their house.
So I was reading on another web site and it showed a floor plan of the house. Who was John Andrew? Is that John Ramsey's other son? how old was he and where was he when this happened?
What is the website? I was intrigued by the layout of their house.
It was documentingreality.com and websleuths.com. Intriguing websites. I could spend all day reading stuff on them