Trump’s attacks on her weight are a ‘bad dream’ for Machado

[mrshandy]

I apologize if this has already been posted. But once again Trump cannot keep his mouth shut. This is the Khans all over again. I sooooo hope that reporters keep digging at him and he says some other stupid shit.

www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-attacks-on-her-weight-are-a-bad-dream-for-former-miss-universe/2016/09/27/7c043e42-84ce-11e6-92c2-14b64f3d453f_story.html


Trump’s attacks on her weight are a ‘bad dream’ for former Miss Universe

Alicia Machado speaks at a news conference to mark the one-year anniversary of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign on June 15 in Arlington, Va. (Astrid Riecken/For The Washington Post)
By Ed O'Keefe September 27 at 4:47 PM
Donald Trump’s decision to attack a former Miss Universe for gaining too much weight thrust the Venezuelan-born actress into the middle of the presidential campaign on Tuesday — an outcome that was welcomed and encouraged by his Democratic rival, Hillary Clinton.

Alicia Machado alleges that Trump called her names such as “Miss Piggy” and “Miss Housekeeping” because she gained weight after winning the Miss Universe crown in 1996, when Trump owned the pageant. Clinton brought up Machado’s case during Monday’s first presidential debate, prompting a furious response from Trump that night and into Tuesday next morning.

“She was the worst we ever had. The worst. The absolute worst. She was impossible,” Trump said of Machado in an interview on Fox News Channel Tuesday. “. . . She was the winner, and she gained a massive amount of weight, and it was a real problem. We had a real problem.”

Trump’s broadside was aimed at a bilingual Latina immigrant who recently became a U.S. citizen — representing two key categories of voters Clinton needs to turn out to vote.

Machado has been working closely with the Clinton campaign since the summer, and she and the Democratic nominee were clearly prepared for Trump’s reaction. The campaign released a two-minute Web video telling Machado’s story after the debate, while Cosmopolitan magazine published a profile of Machado on Tuesday that included photos of her draped in an American flag.

Meet the former Miss Universe who Trump called 'Miss Piggy' and 'Miss Housekeeping' Play Video2:25
At the Sept. 26 presidential debate, Hillary Clinton knocked Donald Trump for his treatment of former Miss Universe Alicia Machado. Here's what you need to know about Machado. (Monica Akhtar/The Washington Post)
[Trump launches new attack on former Miss Universe, saying she ‘gained a massive amount of weight’]

Machado said in a conference call arranged by the campaign that the fresh attacks by Trump were “a bad dream.”

“I’m going to be with Mrs. Clinton until the end, whatever she needs from me, with pleasure, I’m here for her,” she said.

Trump’s decision to attack Machado so personally is similar to how he confronted Khizr and Ghazala Khan, the Pakistani-born parents of a U.S. Army soldier killed in the Iraq War, and Gonzalo Curiel, a Mexican American federal judge overseeing legal challenges to the candidate’s now-defunct private university. He also recently went after an African American pastor in Detroit who had asked him not make a political speech while appearing at her church.

On Tuesday, House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) demurred when asked by reporters about Trump’s comments on Machado.

“I was working out and working this morning, I didn’t watch,” Ryan said. “I wasn’t watching Fox News this morning. So I’m not going to comment on something I didn’t see.”

Machado was tabloid fodder in the late 1990s, when supermarket magazines and syndicated entertainment shows documented her on-again, off-again feud with Trump over her weight. Once her reign ended, she launched a successful acting career, and more recently has emerged as a political activist.

Hillary Clinton: 'Trump victim: Alicia Machado' | Campaign 2016 Play Video2:19
This video produced by the Clinton campaign features Alicia Machado, a former Miss Universe who accused Donald Trump of being verbally abusive, calling her "Miss Piggy" and "Miss Housekeeping." (Hillary Clinton)
Clinton cited Trump’s treatment of Machado in the closing minutes of debate as a way of amplifying other unflattering comments Trump has made about women.

“One of the worst things he said was about a woman in a beauty contest. He loves beauty contests, supporting them and hanging around them,” Clinton said.

“He called this woman ‘Miss Piggy.’ Then he called her ‘Miss Housekeeping,’ because she was Latina.”

Furious, Trump interrupted her.

“Where did you find this? Where did you find this?” he asked.

Clinton continued: “She has become a U.S. citizen, and you can bet she’s going to vote this November.”

[Alicia Machado, the woman Trump called ‘Miss Housekeeping,’ is ready to vote against him]

Shortly afterward, the Clinton campaign posted a video featuring Machado speaking in Spanish about how Trump called her “fat” and “ugly.” The video featured file footage of a televised workout session that Trump ordered Machado to attend in order to keep her crown. “So this is someone who likes to eat,” Trump said in the recording.

Speaking with reporters on Tuesday, Machado recounted how Trump “always treated me like a lesser thing, like garbage.” She said in a mix of Spanish and halting English that she watched the debate with her mother and daughter and cried as Clinton recounted her story.

She said she has not spoken with Trump since 1997 “and I don’t want to see him anymore, either.”

“For me, this election is like a bad dream,” Machado said. “I never thought, and I never imagined that 20 years later I would be in this position. That I would be in this moment, watching this guy doing stupid things, [making] stupid comments.”

Priorities USA, a super PAC spending tens of millions of dollars on television ads in battleground states, released a new digital ad on Tuesday highlighting Trump’s comments about Machado and other women and said it might end up in forthcoming TV ads.

“Donald Trump consistently attacking women for the way they look, and nicknaming [Machado] ‘Miss Housekeeping’ simply because of her race is emblematic of why he’s struggling so badly with women and will continue to do so for the rest of the election,” said Priorities USA spokesman Justin Barasky.

Maria Cardona, a Democratic political consultant and Clinton supporter, cast Machado’s emergence as “brilliant” and well-timed, given that it came on National Voter Registration Day, which Democrats used to encourage Latinos and younger voters to sign up to vote and at a time when Clinton is hoping to improve her favorability rating among voters.

“Anybody who has ever had a daughter, a mother, a sister who has struggled with weight, who has struggled with self-perception, with self-doubt, and women themselves who go through that every single day are going to be able to relate to this story,” Cardona said.

Machado hails from an influential and politically engaged extended Venezuelan family and left college to compete for the Miss Universe crown and pursue what she hoped would blossom into a career in the U.S. entertainment industry. Trump purchased the Miss Universe pageant just in time to become her boss. When she won, all Machado knew was that Trump had big plans to boost the pageant’s profile and profits.

In the end, she came to view Trump as an insensitive bigot and misogynist who seemed to view the pageant and pageant contestants alike as his personal property, Machado recounted in an interview earlier this year for a Washington Post biography, “Trump Revealed.”

“I cannot believe that piece of sh-- could possibly be president,” Machado said in the interview, adding later that Trump “behaved like a tyrant when I was Miss Universe and has behaved like a potential despot during this campaign. He lacks the basic skills to govern and is not a good human being.”

[Flashback from 1997: Miss Universe, sizing up her reign]

Over the course of the year that Machado held the Miss Universe title — and, as Trump often reminded her, worked for him — she would feel intense pressure to shed the pounds that Trump told many television reporters, viewers and magazine readers that Machado had gained.

In a 1997 interview with radio host Howard Stern — unearthed by BuzzFeed News on Tuesday — Trump called Machado an “eating machine” and said “she ate a lot of everything.”

He boasted later how he had turned Machado’s weight loss into public scene. “It has become a major event,” he said.

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Trump was convinced at the time that Machado’s weight gain was a violation of her contract. It even prompted officials with the Miss Venezuela pageant system to comment on her weight to the English- and Spanish-language media.

It was never clear how much weight Machado had actually gained in the first place, with Trump claiming she had gained 50 pounds or more depending on the interview.

But in a 1997 Washington Post interview, Machado called those numbers “ridiculous,” saying she gained 19 pounds at most and had lost most of it again.

“When I was preparing for Miss Universe, it was an obsession for me to not gain weight,” she told the Post then. “By the time I won, I was actually recovering. But the year leading to it, I didn’t eat at all. And whatever I ate, I threw up. I weighed 116 pounds when I won. I was skeletal.”

Janell Ross contributed to this report.

[katietornado]

Did anyone see Kayleigh Stupid McEnany on CNN last night talking about this? She insisted it was totes ok to call Machado an eating machine and was like "I like to eat too! I'm an eating machine!"

Omg woman just stop it.

[jeaniebueller]

He's such a stupid asshole. The fox and friends hosts didn't even want him to talk about this, he CHOSE to bring this up and make it a campaign issue. I cannot wrap my head around people who think this man should be commander in chief.

[isabel]

paulryansdignity, anything to say for yourself in here?

[isabel]

Sept 28, 2016 8:42:48 GMT -5 katietornado said:

Did anyone see Kayleigh Stupid McEnany on CNN last night talking about this? She insisted it was totes ok to call Machado an eating machine and was like "I like to eat too! I'm an eating machine!"

Omg woman just stop it.

Yeah, because it's totes the same when you say it about yourself vs. when an ignorant dickhead like Trump says it about you. JFC. Could she be any more of an idiot?

[aurora]

Sept 28, 2016 8:43:27 GMT -5 jeaniebueller said:

He's such a stupid asshole. The fox and friends hosts didn't even want him to talk about this, he CHOSE to bring this up and make it a campaign issue. I cannot wrap my head around people who think this man should be commander in chief.

I want to say there can be no other reason for such behavior.

But the thing is, his bad behavior gets him attention, and as long as he picks targets who aren't like his supporters they seem to eat it up! He's a toddler throwing a temper tantrum.

[scout8]

Sept 28, 2016 9:00:18 GMT -5 aurora said:

Sept 28, 2016 8:43:27 GMT -5 jeaniebueller said:

He's such a stupid asshole. The fox and friends hosts didn't even want him to talk about this, he CHOSE to bring this up and make it a campaign issue. I cannot wrap my head around people who think this man should be commander in chief.

I want to say there can be no other reason for such behavior.

But the thing is, his bad behavior gets him attention, and as long as he picks targets who aren't like his supporters they seem to eat it up! He's a toddler throwing a temper tantrum.

I don't know. I think that his worst polling in this campaign was after his attack on the Kahns. It seems that his attacks on a specific person may be one of the few things that turns people off of him. Then again, you are probably right. Sigh. 

[mrshandy]

Here's another good analysis. Smart move Hillary. She set this trap for him and he totally fell for it.

Sorry for the formatting. I would click on the link. Great read. 

www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2016/09/28/daily-202-trump-stumbles-into-clinton-s-trap-by-feuding-with-latina-beauty-queen/57eb0230e9b69b0ec0c0a85d/

The Daily 202: Trump stumbles into Clinton’s trap by feuding with Latina beauty queen
By James Hohmann September 28 at 9:11 AM

Former Miss Universe Alicia Machado soeaks to reporters about Donald Trump. (Photo by Astrid Riecken For The Washington Post)
With Breanne Deppisch

THE BIG IDEA: It might be Hillary Clinton’s most cunning move since the start of the general election. The Democratic nominee set a trap for Donald Trump in the final minutes of the first debate, and he walked right into it.

The GOP nominee’s decision to take the bait and rehash his past attacks of a former Miss Universe for gaining too much weight is now dominating the conversation. And the controversy is helping the Clinton campaign galvanize Latinos and prevent undecided women from moving toward Trump.

Even as Trump proclaimed victory in New York, he allowed during a Fox News interview yesterday that he let himself get a little too irritated “at the end, maybe” when Clinton brought up Alicia Machado. Machado alleges that Trump called her names such as “Miss Piggy” and “Miss Housekeeping” when she gained weight after winning the Miss Universe crown in 1996.


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Trump could have brushed off the question and moved on the next morning, but instead he engaged. “She was the worst we ever had. The worst. The absolute worst. She was impossible,” Trump said of Machado on Fox. “She was the winner, and she gained a massive amount of weight, and it was a real problem. We had a real problem.”


Trump arrives at the Orlando airport last night for a rally. (Jewel Samad/AFP/Getty Images)
-- Operatives in Brooklyn had been working with Machado since the summer. They had a video featuring her story ready to go. Cosmopolitan had a photo spread of her draped in an American flag – to go with a profile – in the can. Machado had also conducted an interview with The Guardian that was “apparently embargoed for post-debate release,” according to Vox. And the Clinton super PAC Priorities USA turned a digital ad to highlight the insults by early afternoon.

The Clinton press shop then set up a conference call for Machado to respond to what Trump said on “Fox and Friends.” Speaking with reporters, Machado recounted how Trump “always treated me like a lesser thing, like garbage” and that his new words are like “a bad dream.” She said in a mix of Spanish and halting English that she watched the debate with her mother and daughter and cried as Clinton recounted her story, Ed O’Keefe reports.

Campaign calls like these are usually gimmicky ploys for free media attention that get little attention, but this one featured prominently in every news organization’s second-day coverage about the debate. Megyn Kelly, who Trump leveled gendered attacks against last year after she moderated a debate, then interviewed Machado in primetime on Fox News last night.

-- Opposition researchers also gleefully pushed Trump quotes about her from the 1990s. Here are two examples (more are in the social media speed read):

In 1997, Donald told Howard Stern that Machado was an “eating machine” who “ate a lot of everything.” “You whipped this fat slob into shape,” the radio host told Trump. “I don’t know how you did it. I see all these diet plans, everything else. God bless you.” When asked if Trump had “gotten her down to 118,” he said she is going to be there soon. (Via Buzzfeed)
Around the same time, Trump told Newsweek: “We’ve tried diet, spa, a trainer, incentives. Forget it, the way she’s going, she’d eat the whole gymnasium.”
-- “Morning Joe” extensively covered the spat today. Joe Scarborough said “this was all people were talking about” at his daughter’s parents night. Mike Barnicle said when he was picking up a prescription at the Duane Reade drugstore, the woman behind the counter – unprompted – referenced the "Miss Piggy" controversy. "She is furious, behind the counter, she's furious,” he recalled. "Of all the things he's done in this campaign, this is the one that could linger,” Mark Halperin chimed him. “The Clinton campaign cannot believe he's giving them the political opportunity...This is exactly what they would want to happen...They couldn't script it any better!” Barnicle agreed: “The Miss Housekeeping phrase is just as lethal to Donald Trump as Miss Piggy.” NBC’s “Today” show did their own segment this morning too.

-- New York Magazine’s Jonathan Chait predicts Trump’s criticism of Machado will have the same staying power as his attacks on Khizr Khan, the Gold Star father who spoke at the Democratic National Convention: “What truly made the set piece work was Trump’s response, which Clinton could not have scripted better if she tried. Unlike the previous allegations, he did not deny them, but instead burst out — three times! — ‘Where did you find this?’ I have seen villains in Disney movies presented with damning evidence react this way, but I have never seen an actual human being do it, until now.”


Alicia Machado reacts as she is crowned Miss Universe. (AP/Eric Draper, File)
-- Importantly, this story has also broken through across non-traditional outlets:

It was the second story on Telemundo’s evening newscast and the third story on Univision’s.

“Donald Trump Continues to Body Shame the Former Miss Universe He Called 'Miss Piggy'” is the headline on People Magazine’s home page.

“Alicia Machado Opens Up About Trump's Treatment of Her: ‘He’s Not a Good Person,’” is the headline in The Hollywood Reporter.

The Palm Beach Post, in the heart of a key swing state, has a listicle in today’s edition: “Alicia Machado: 5 things to know about Trump’s latest target.”

-- Conversation about the debate’s gender dynamics is perhaps the most dominant theme across the mainstream media’s commentary:

“Trump’s interruptions of Clinton are familiar to women” is the headline on the front page of the Boston Globe. Their story, about HRC getting interrupted 51 times during the debate, quotes women in a range of professions talking about how they’ve experienced the same thing.

“Last night’s debate, or the mansplaining Olympics” by Alexandra Petri is the most read story on the opinion section of The Post’s web site.

“Although she would never talk about it in the way that Trump discusses the victimization of being audited, Clinton carries the ever-expanding knowledge of what it’s like to be dismissed, disrespected, and treated unfairly,” Jia Tolentino writes in The New Yorker. “This is precisely why she was so calm and steely last night—so Presidential. It’s why she can express genuine solidarity with people like Alicia Machado, people whom Trump can barely see.”

“When I watch, I sometimes feel like Ingrid Bergman — not European and glamorous, but unnerved, as though I’m being gaslit,” said New York Times Magazine staff writer Susan Dominus. “Trump tries to gaslight an entire country when he plays fast and loose with the truth or insists on logic-defying connections — each of which is an apt tactic for someone who often questions the mental health of women who dare to criticize him. If they are women with big careers … they are ‘neurotic.’ He called the Rev. Faith Green Timmons, a pastor who calmly and boldly interrupted him at her church in Flint, Mich., ‘nervous,’ which is apparently the black woman’s (or middle-class woman’s) version of neurotic. These women are not just wrong to Trump; they are suffering from a kind of mental or medical condition. Women, he clearly believes, or wants us to believe, are emotional, guided by feelings rather than reason, which presumably makes them unfit to lead (or unfit to give Trump a hard time).”

“The idea that we should trust men who hate us in private to protect us in the public sphere is the ultimate insult to our intelligence,” adds Post blogger Alyssa Rosenberg.

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-- This feud helps Clinton with two crucial constituencies:

-- Galvanizing Latinos: Beauty pageants are as big as the Super Bowl is for us in Latin America, and it was no coincidence that Machado emerged as a surrogate on National Voter Registration Day. The campaign is working to encourage Latinos and other less-engaged groups who dislike Trump to get on the rolls. “This was about consolidation,” Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg told Greg Sargent. “One of the big things (that has been) holding her back was the failure to consolidate Democrats.”

James Downie, who watched a dial group of 100 likely voters during the debate, elaborates: “After the debate, though there was only a small shift in the group toward Clinton, they had a much more favorable view toward her, and a number of voters who had come in as ‘weak’ Clinton supporters left as ‘strong’ Clinton supporters."

-- Expanding the gender gap. Around this time four years ago, Mitt Romney was running ads in Northern Virginia to reassure women that he was not as anti-abortion as the Obama campaign was making him out to be. A female narrator noted that the former Massachusetts governor supports contraception and is okay with abortions in the case of rape, incest and life of the mother. Trump, who said at one point this year that women who get abortions should be punished, has made no concerted or direct effort to improve his standing with women.

The New York Times interviewed women in Pennsylvania’s Chester County (a suburban area where Romney beat President Obama in 2012 by less than 1 point) about the debate. Trip Gabriel reports that several dozen of the women he spoke with consistently said Trump had failed to win them over, and in several cases they said he had repelled them. One example is Nancy Groux is an undecided Republican who hungers for change in Washington: “I truly want to like him,” she said. “I keep looking for something in him. But I can’t have my children grow up and look at him as someone to respect.”

Making matters worse, Trump surrogates keep going out of their way to give Clinton more fodder for women’s outreach. “After being married to Bill Clinton for 20 years, if you didn’t know the moment Monica Lewinsky said that Bill Clinton violated her that she was telling the truth, then you’re too stupid to be president,” Rudy Giuliani told reporters at Hofstra University.

When in 2012 Rush Limbaugh called law school student Sandra Fluke a “slut” and a “prostitute” for testifying before Congress that employers should cover birth control for women, Romney had a press avail to say that he disagreed and that those were not the words he would have used. Yesterday, reacting to the debate, Limbaugh said on his radio show: “Hillary came off exactly as many people see her: a witch with a capital B.” I’d bet you $10 that Trump will not denounce this offensive comment if asked about it today.


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-- Ratings: Monday’s debate was the most-watched ever, with 84 million viewers tuning in to see it live. That broke a record set by Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan in 1980. No debate since then had exceeded 70 million viewers. For context, twice as many watched Monday as watched Bill Clinton debate Bob Dole in 1996. Experts predicted there would be a big dip in viewers after the first half hour, but what’s most striking about the overnight numbers was that most stayed with it for the full 90 minutes. That means they saw the final half hour, when the Machado exchange happened. (AP)

-- Establishment Republicans once again, privately, are slamming their heads against the wall because of their standard bearer’s embarrassing lack of self-discipline. In the Capitol, many GOP leaders tried to avoid discussing the debate and its aftermath with reporters:

Paul Ryan: “I was working out and working this morning, I didn’t watch. I wasn’t watching Fox News this morning. So I’m not going to comment on something I didn’t see.”
Marco Rubio: “I didn’t see (the debate), guys. I was on an airplane.”
Mitch McConnell offered just nine words during an afternoon news conference before moving on: “On the debate, I thought he did just fine.”
Sen. Mark Kirk (R-Illinois) waved off a reporter who approached him about the debate as an aide curtly said, “We’re not talking about that,” according to the Globe.
John McCain would only say that he thought it was “very interesting” as he hurried toward an elevator.
And this from Lindsey Graham:

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-- Bottom line: One reason the debate was so painful for GOP elites who have accommodated Trump is that it offered another proof point that he cannot change. “Republicans learned again during the first presidential debate that no matter the setting, no matter the stakes, no matter the expectations, Donald Trump will insist on being Donald Trump,” Dan Balz explains. “He will rise or fall politically as himself — brash, unpredictable, volatile and true to his own instincts.”

Former George W. Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson concurs: “Trump has made some political gains over the past few weeks through greater discipline — speeches from teleprompters, carefully selected media interviews, no news conferences, a Twitter account in the hands of others. But the candidate has internalized none of this. He might as well have sung ‘I Gotta Be Me’ as his opening statement in the debate. It was Trump unplugged and often unhinged.”

-- The world reacts to other Trump claims from the debate:

NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg defended the alliance, pushing back on Trump’s claims it isn’t focused enough on terrorism. “NATO has played a key role in the fight against terrorism for many, many years,” Stoltenberg said. He also rejected Trump’s claim that his criticism led the alliance’s move to create a new top intelligence official. (Wall Street Journal)
Wall Street leaders denied that there is any evidence of a stock market “bubble” after Trump accused the Federal Reserve of playing politics and falsely manipulating interest rates to boost Obama. (CNBC)
Tim Kaine said Trump’s five-year “birther” campaign dragged the country back to a time when black people were slaves: “At my church, and in my neighborhood, and friends in Richmond, it’s an insult and it’s a painful one,” the senator said in a radio interview. “You know the history, an American African in this country could not be a US citizen because of the ruling of the Dred Scott decision. ... He’s got to be really pinned down on this question of why he did it, and did he really not know that this was painful to an awful lot of people.” (Buzzfeed)
Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway said Trump does not believe global warming is man-made. "He believes that global warming is naturally occurring," Conway said on CNN. "There are shifts naturally occurring." Then, hours later, Indiana Gov. Mike Pence said there is “no question” humans are a factor in climate change. “There’s no question that the activities that take place in this country and in countries around the world have some impact on the environment and some impact on climate,” he said on the same network. (Politico)
The New York Police Department issued a statement saying that “stop and frisk” policing policies were not technically ruled to be unconstitutional. “A federal judge in New York did order remedies to ensure the NYPD applies the lawful policing tool constitutionally,” the department said. “Additionally, murders in New York City have NOT increased. In fact, as of yesterday, New York City has 16 fewer murders from this time last year, and, more importantly, the murder rate has decreased by 131 from this time in 2011, when stops were at their highest.” Trump’s comments were “multilayered fiction,” the New York Times concludes.

[ESF]

Most people are focusing on the body shaming, but I don't want the racist shit to get lost in this. Miss Housekeeping?

Paul Ryan and all of Trump's other enablers can go fuck themselves.

[mrshandy]

Sept 28, 2016 9:55:27 GMT -5 ESF said:

Most people are focusing on the body shaming, but I don't want the racist shit to get lost in this. Miss Housekeeping?

Paul Ryan and all of Trump's other enablers can go fuck themselves.

I think this is because Trump is documented in multiple places of doing this and he continues it. There is no concrete proof of him saying the Miss Housekeeping. Although I guess he hasn't denied it. 

He is so fucking stupid. Any idiot who has watched any political show should have told him, to deny he ever said those things and wish her the best. Instead he just confirmed it for America to see on national television. What an idiot!

[atexan]

What is there to say about him that hasn't already been said? He is vile and barely deserves to be a person, let alone a president. He shows no shame or remorse for his disgusting behavior.

[bex]

Sept 28, 2016 8:48:10 GMT -5 isabel said:

paulryansdignity , anything to say for yourself in here?

HE WAS WORKING OUT OKAY?!?!?! give the man a break!

On that note, I find it very tiresome that the new defense of the Rs is "I didn't see it."  It's been all over the news but I didn't see it.

Yeah, right.  We see you. ^o)

[simpsongal]

Does anyone remember this happening in 1996?

I do, I was 13, which is probably the prime age for body conscious issues and insecurity. I still remember feeling uncomfortable about it. I remember thinking that Ms. America/Ms. Universe were largely about finding extremely accomplished women who happened to be beautiful. I idolized those women and watched the pageants. Then to see that Ms. Universe's entire value (as perceived by others) was wrapped up in her weight/appearance. It was shocking to me - like she's broken/worthless, toss her aside.

[paulryansdignity]

Sept 28, 2016 8:48:10 GMT -5 isabel said:

paulryansdignity , anything to say for yourself in here?

I'm sorry, what? I wasn't paying attention, just trying to find the last scraps of my self respect. 

[paulryansdignity]

Also, remember, when this was the worst?




and this:





How the mighty have fallen...including me. Just updating my linkedin profile....

[anna7602]

Sept 28, 2016 10:10:55 GMT -5 mrshandy said:

Sept 28, 2016 9:55:27 GMT -5 ESF said:

Most people are focusing on the body shaming, but I don't want the racist shit to get lost in this. Miss Housekeeping?

Paul Ryan and all of Trump's other enablers can go fuck themselves.

I think this is because Trump is documented in multiple places of doing this and he continues it. There is no concrete proof of him saying the Miss Housekeeping. Although I guess he hasn't denied it. 

Alicia Machado told Jorge Ramos of Univision that she has documentation backing up all of her claims. I would assume this includes the "Miss Housekeeping" comment. In any event, I doubt any of us need the "proof" as the phrase is completely consistent with Trump's behavior. 

[abcdefu]

Sept 28, 2016 8:42:48 GMT -5 katietornado said:

Did anyone see Kayleigh Stupid McEnany on CNN last night talking about this? She insisted it was totes ok to call Machado an eating machine and was like "I like to eat too! I'm an eating machine!"

Omg woman just stop it.

Was she the one who tried to bring up Alicia's threats or something to a judge, of which she was not convicted?

[boxertdog]

I can't imagine being the center of this story again is awesome for her. She's probably getting trolled hard by psychos right now.

[katietornado]

Sept 28, 2016 22:12:07 GMT -5 abcdefu said:

Sept 28, 2016 8:42:48 GMT -5 katietornado said:

Did anyone see Kayleigh Stupid McEnany on CNN last night talking about this? She insisted it was totes ok to call Machado an eating machine and was like "I like to eat too! I'm an eating machine!"

Omg woman just stop it.

Was she the one who tried to bring up Alicia's threats or something to a judge, of which she was not convicted?

Of course.

[abcdefu]

Sept 28, 2016 23:21:33 GMT -5 katietornado said:

Sept 28, 2016 22:12:07 GMT -5 abcdefu said:

Was she the one who tried to bring up Alicia's threats or something to a judge, of which she was not convicted?

Of course.

UGH! I saw that! Way to victim-blame you cheeto-ass-kissing-bi'otch! She is "the worst!" Oh and then Kayleigh got called out because whatever happened with the judge and an ex-bf happened after Trump said all this crap!

[WanderingWinoZ]

he's continuing!!!

talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/trump-goes-after-machado-again

n the situation Donald Trump is in with former Miss Universe Alicia Machado, any media professional or really anyone with a conscience would say this: "We quarreled many years ago. It's in the past. I truly wish her the best." Done and done.

But just an hour ago Trump went on O'Reilly to again trash Machado, now saying that he saved her job, gave her a shot at not being fat and this is the thanks he gets. Yes, he really said that. "You know, they wanted to fire her. The company itself wanted to fire her. I saved her job ... I saved her job because I said that's going to -- I did that with a number of young ladies. The staff itself [wanted to fire her]. Look what happened. Look what I get out of it. I get nothing. A lot of things are coming out about her."

Full Transcript after the jump ...


[Note: This is a rush transcript. ]

OREILLY: Other avenue they are going to come after you is the women card. They are going to say that you are a mean guy and you don't respect women. Do you have anything further to say on this Miss Universe thing?

TRUMP: No, not much. I hardly know this person. This was a person 20 years ago. She wasn't a successful, you know, I sold the Miss Universe contest for tremendous price about, you know, six months ago. Worked out great. So I don't have anything to do with it anymore. But I really enjoyed it when I had it. But this is a person, Bill that that was the first one under my ownership. She did not do well. She had a lot of difficulty. And, you know, they wanted to fire her. The company itself wanted to fire her. I saved her job. I will bet you if you put up and added up all the time I spoke to her probably less than five minutes. I mean, I wasn't -- I had nothing to do with this person, but they wanted to fire her. I saved her job because I said that's going to -- I did that with a number of young ladies. The staff itself. Look what happened. Look what I get out of it. I get nothing. A lot of things are coming out about her.

I'm not going to say anything. I couldn't care less. Somebody I don't know. Don't know certainly very well. I saved her job because they wanted to fire her for putting on so much weight it is a beauty contest. Say what you want, Bill. It's a beauty contest. I said "Don't do that. Let her try and lose the weight." You can imagine? I end up in a position like this. So that's the way it is. I really just don't know her.

OREILLY: Do you think that was a cheap shot by secretary Clinton to bring that up?


TRUMP: Well, I think it was. A lot of things are coming out that I wasn't aware of. They say she threatened the life of a judge and got involved in all sorts of problems and some reports just came out 20 minutes ago about her. You know, if that turns out to be true. A lot of the things that are turning out to be, perhaps, true, I think it's going to make Hillary lock extremely bad. But, again, I helped somebody and this is what you get for helping somebody. I just don't know her.

[mrsukyankee]

He's so full of shit.

[jeaniebueller]

Also, this seems like a great opportunity to show what a piece of garbage Howard Stern is and how I am so glad that HRC is not interviewing with him.


In 1997, Donald told Howard Stern that Machado was an “eating machine” who “ate a lot of everything.” “You whipped this fat slob into shape,” the radio host told Trump. “I don’t know how you did it. I see all these diet plans, everything else. God bless you.” When asked if Trump had “gotten her down to 118,” he said she is going to be there soon. (Via Buzzfeed)



Read more: pandce.proboards.com/thread/553354/trump-attacks-weight-dream-machado#ixzz4Le7MO5ks

Also, how many other stories does the Clinton campaign have up their sleeve for the town hall and subsequent debate? You know there are probably numerous people out there who have had awful experiences with Trump. HE JUST KEEPS TAKING THE BAIT. 

[OscarQ]

Sept 28, 2016 10:39:53 GMT -5 simpsongal said:

Does anyone remember this happening in 1996?

I do, I was 13, which is probably the prime age for body conscious issues and insecurity. I still remember feeling uncomfortable about it. I remember thinking that Ms. America/Ms. Universe were largely about finding extremely accomplished women who happened to be beautiful. I idolized those women and watched the pageants. Then to see that Ms. Universe's entire value (as perceived by others) was wrapped up in her weight/appearance. It was shocking to me - like she's broken/worthless, toss her aside.

I remember this happening.  I think I posted about it in the debate thread the other night.  I was older, 23 or so at the time.  It was covered on Access Hollywood or Entertainment Tonight so him saying this was a five minute conversation was absolutely not the case.  I wasn't a fan of beauty pageants at this point - and even when I did like them thought it was nothing but idolizing beauty.  Even then, the whole thing was gross because this just isn't an acceptable way to treat anyone.  He humiliated her on tv - there may have been some coverage in magazines like People too

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Sept 29, 2016 7:08:28 GMT -5 jeaniebueller said:

Also, this seems like a great opportunity to show what a piece of garbage Howard Stern is and how I am so glad that HRC is not interviewing with him.


In 1997, Donald told Howard Stern that Machado was an “eating machine” who “ate a lot of everything.” “You whipped this fat slob into shape,” the radio host told Trump. “I don’t know how you did it. I see all these diet plans, everything else. God bless you.” When asked if Trump had “gotten her down to 118,” he said she is going to be there soon. (Via Buzzfeed)



Read more: pandce.proboards.com/thread/553354/trump-attacks-weight-dream-machado#ixzz4Le7MO5ks

Also, how many other stories does the Clinton campaign have up their sleeve for the town hall and subsequent debate? You know there are probably numerous people out there who have had awful experiences with Trump. HE JUST KEEPS TAKING THE BAIT. 

Can we highlight this again?  Because there are still women, even on this very board, who enjoy Howard Stern and I do not understand it.  How can anyone, man or woman, make excuses for the vile shit he says?  How can you close your ears to things like this, claim it was in the past, that he's changed, that his interviews are worth it?  This is the kind of apologist bullshit that lets terrible people get away with terrible things.

I hate both of these men.  They deserve each other.  I hope Trump's failing campaign drags Stern down with him and they both rot in oblivion.

[Velar Fricative]

Sept 28, 2016 10:39:53 GMT -5 simpsongal said:

Does anyone remember this happening in 1996?

I do, I was 13, which is probably the prime age for body conscious issues and insecurity. I still remember feeling uncomfortable about it. I remember thinking that Ms. America/Ms. Universe were largely about finding extremely accomplished women who happened to be beautiful. I idolized those women and watched the pageants. Then to see that Ms. Universe's entire value (as perceived by others) was wrapped up in her weight/appearance. It was shocking to me - like she's broken/worthless, toss her aside.

Yes, I do remember it. There was definitely a media spotlight on this.

[scout8]

WTF is wrong with him? He went after her again this morning. www.nbcnews.com/card/trump-attacks-alicia-machado-yet-again-overnight-tweetstorm-n657286.

[jeaniebueller]

Sept 30, 2016 7:20:03 GMT -5 scout8 said:

WTF is wrong with him? He went after her again this morning. www.nbcnews.com/card/trump-attacks-alicia-machado-yet-again-overnight-tweetstorm-n657286.

He can't let.things.go.