There were 2 holdouts that changed their minds only yesterday. I don't get why they didn't just wait for a hung jury. Also, they asked the judge for a reread of the transcript of the trial and it was denied,
I'd like someone to come in and tell me why I should be feeling any hint of sadness for Rep. Scalise, and how I should be ashamed of myself because these situations aren't at all related, and how we should be coming together, and unity, blah blah blah, etc.
I'd like someone to come in and tell me why I should be feeling any hint of sadness for Rep. Scalise, and how I should be ashamed of myself because these situations aren't at all related, and how we should be coming together, and unity, blah blah blah, etc.
I'll wait, and kiss my ass in advance.
You're not alone. I have been ranting to my H for two days straight about how I am disgusted and enraged by the coverage of that shooting and the things being said by R congresspeople. I haven't seen much personally from people about unity or anything but I also haven't discussed the baseball field shooting with anyone outside of this board and MH.
Did you see Fleischmann's comment about how he may never feel safe at a baseball field again? I think I almost blacked out with rage. Imagine being a 6yo at a school. Imagine being black and being pulled over. Imagine any number of things that are significantly more disturbing and terrifying for people who have way less control than someone in Congress, FFS. A fucking baseball field. Poor maligned congresspeople. Can't go to baseball fields. How tragic.
I'd like someone to come in and tell me why I should be feeling any hint of sadness for Rep. Scalise, and how I should be ashamed of myself because these situations aren't at all related, and how we should be coming together, and unity, blah blah blah, etc.
I'll wait, and kiss my ass in advance.
You're not alone. I have been ranting to my H for two days straight about how I am disgusted and enraged by the coverage of that shooting and the things being said by R congresspeople. I haven't seen much personally from people about unity or anything but I also haven't discussed the baseball field shooting with anyone outside of this board and MH.
Did you see Fleischmann's comment about how he may never feel safe at a baseball field again? I think I almost blacked out with rage. Imagine being a 6yo at a school. Imagine being black and being pulled over. Imagine any number of things that are significantly more disturbing and terrifying for people who have way less control than someone in Congress, FFS. A fucking baseball field. Poor maligned congresspeople. Can't go to baseball fields. How tragic.
and it's not like he's some innocent party. He's a powerful, hateful, man whose chickens came home to roost. I'm just glad it was a white man who shot his ass.
You're not alone. I have been ranting to my H for two days straight about how I am disgusted and enraged by the coverage of that shooting and the things being said by R congresspeople. I haven't seen much personally from people about unity or anything but I also haven't discussed the baseball field shooting with anyone outside of this board and MH.
Did you see Fleischmann's comment about how he may never feel safe at a baseball field again? I think I almost blacked out with rage. Imagine being a 6yo at a school. Imagine being black and being pulled over. Imagine any number of things that are significantly more disturbing and terrifying for people who have way less control than someone in Congress, FFS. A fucking baseball field. Poor maligned congresspeople. Can't go to baseball fields. How tragic.
and it's not like he's some innocent party. He's a powerful, hateful, man whose chickens came home to roost. I'm just glad it was a white man who shot his ass.
And the 3 officers who saved their lives were POC.
Did you see Fleischmann's comment about how he may never feel safe at a baseball field again? I think I almost blacked out with rage. Imagine being a 6yo at a school. Imagine being black and being pulled over. Imagine any number of things that are significantly more disturbing and terrifying for people who have way less control than someone in Congress, FFS. A fucking baseball field. Poor maligned congresspeople. Can't go to baseball fields. How tragic.
I hate to say it but I did think "Finally - powerful, rich white men are FINALLY directly affected by gun violence." And I'll throw in the "pain Olympics" - if you look at all the shootings, this one was pretty mild. So for THIS to make them afraid to go to a game again? Fuck them. It only shines a light on their absolute utter inability to have ANY empathy for anyone else.
And the NRA is a group of useless rich white men too. They only care about lining their pockets. They don't really care about gun rights or the correct use of guns. As long as they make $$$, they are content.
and it's not like he's some innocent party. He's a powerful, hateful, man whose chickens came home to roost. I'm just glad it was a white man who shot his ass.
And the 3 officers who saved their lives were POC.
I'd like someone to come in and tell me why I should be feeling any hint of sadness for Rep. Scalise, and how I should be ashamed of myself because these situations aren't at all related, and how we should be coming together, and unity, blah blah blah, etc.
I'll wait, and kiss my ass in advance.
You're not alone. I have been ranting to my H for two days straight about how I am disgusted and enraged by the coverage of that shooting and the things being said by R congresspeople. I haven't seen much personally from people about unity or anything but I also haven't discussed the baseball field shooting with anyone outside of this board and MH.
Did you see Fleischmann's comment about how he may never feel safe at a baseball field again? I think I almost blacked out with rage. Imagine being a 6yo at a school. Imagine being black and being pulled over. Imagine any number of things that are significantly more disturbing and terrifying for people who have way less control than someone in Congress, FFS. A fucking baseball field. Poor maligned congresspeople. Can't go to baseball fields. How tragic.
so I went back and read the baseball shooting discussion from this board. Just the fuckery I expected. I'm sorry that I couldn't contribute my "gross" opinion in real time.
You're not alone. I have been ranting to my H for two days straight about how I am disgusted and enraged by the coverage of that shooting and the things being said by R congresspeople. I haven't seen much personally from people about unity or anything but I also haven't discussed the baseball field shooting with anyone outside of this board and MH.
Did you see Fleischmann's comment about how he may never feel safe at a baseball field again? I think I almost blacked out with rage. Imagine being a 6yo at a school. Imagine being black and being pulled over. Imagine any number of things that are significantly more disturbing and terrifying for people who have way less control than someone in Congress, FFS. A fucking baseball field. Poor maligned congresspeople. Can't go to baseball fields. How tragic.
so I went back and read the baseball shooting discussion from this board. Just the fuckery I expected. I'm sorry that I couldn't contribute my "gross" opinion in real time.
I stayed out of it because I couldn't even form words over my rage. And then when I saw that fuckhead Fleischmann's comment I had to post it because it was so fucking typical and tone deaf.
Im pretty sure I actually developed a tic in my eye over reading about the shooting.
Post by underwaterrhymes on Jun 17, 2017 10:36:31 GMT -5
There was also some asshiole senator on NPR who was like, "I could have BEEN there, but I slept in." And when Steve Inskeep asked him if he was on the team he kind of hemmed and hawed about how back in the day he was a pitcher. I'm quite sure he was playing the sympathy Olympics.
So this motherfucker and all of these other motherfuckers of Congress now feel fear because some nutjob shot a few of their brethren.
But fuck you and the fucking horse you rode in on for wearing racist ass blinders so thick you refuse to acknowledge that there is a huge, scary, terrifying, infuriating problem when people with badges are shooting unarmed people of color and with zero fucking repercussions. One awful incident at a ball field and we all weep for how divided we are. Hundreds of incidents around the country and we shrug and criminalize the victims.
There were 2 holdouts that changed their minds only yesterday. I don't get why they didn't just wait for a hung jury. Also, they asked the judge for a reread of the transcript of the trial and it was denied,
This is one of the things that bothers me a lot about judges. Judges often push and push for a verdict and can be fucking assholes about a hung jury.
I had two cases where jurors switched votes and I think both of them were because it was Friday and after 5. The jury was deadlocked for about 2 days then magically we get a guilty verdict.
I think it is fucking bullshit and I put the blame on the judge and not the jury.
Another thing is when a jury comes back not guilty, some judges get really pissed and basically scolds them. Seriously, fucking scolds them. When they come back guilty the judges are all buddy buddy- it is infuriating.
I'd like someone to come in and tell me why I should be feeling any hint of sadness for Rep. Scalise, and how I should be ashamed of myself because these situations aren't at all related, and how we should be coming together, and unity, blah blah blah, etc.
I'll wait, and kiss my ass in advance.
Son of Baldwin had this to say, encouraging black apathy.
I'd like someone to come in and tell me why I should be feeling any hint of sadness for Rep. Scalise, and how I should be ashamed of myself because these situations aren't at all related, and how we should be coming together, and unity, blah blah blah, etc.
I read that too. People are tired, and I don't blame them. So what I'll say is if you can't admit that Rep. Scalise and others like him deserved to get shot, then I don't want to hear you flapping your gums about Philando. I'm not playing games, and I'm hopeful that we'll see more radicalized white people on the left. Serves all of you middle-ground, half ass allies right.
Also miss me with the whole, "innocent bystanders were terrorized in their own neighborhood" nonsense. Good.
Post by bohemianmango on Jun 17, 2017 11:06:56 GMT -5
The lawmakers need to remember the day of the recent shooting. The man shooting them that day is the one they've focused on protecting; the people who saved them that day are the ones, who as a population, they have demonized and continuously fail to protect.
They need to remember Philando Castile just as they will remember their heroes, Special Agents Crystal Griner, David Bailey and Henry Cabrera. The legal system is broken and needs to be fixed.
What the fuck do we have to do? How the fuck do we change this? Something has GOT to change. They were hung 24 hours ago. Hung. SOMEONE was standing up. What made them give up?
There has to be a better system that actually dispenses justice. Godfuckingdamnit.
This is what I want to know. Someone(s) was a holdout. I have never served on a jury, but I want to know what made them change their decision. Did they want to go home? Were they being bullied? Why not just continue to hold out and make it a hung jury? To me that would have been better than not guilty. At least I would know that at least 1 of the 12 knew this was wrong.
One of the jurors said it was 2 to 10. So TWO people gave up. I want to know why.
This is what I want to know. Someone(s) was a holdout. I have never served on a jury, but I want to know what made them change their decision. Did they want to go home? Were they being bullied? Why not just continue to hold out and make it a hung jury? To me that would have been better than not guilty. At least I would know that at least 1 of the 12 knew this was wrong.
One of the jurors said it was 2 to 10. So TWO people gave up. I want to know why.
Me too. This has really made me think about jury deliberations being private.
ETA: should they still be? Should they be video or audio taped? I think knowing what goes on in a jury room could be an important step.
One of the jurors said it was 2 to 10. So TWO people gave up. I want to know why.
Me too. This has really made me think about jury deliberations being private.
ETA: should they still be? Should they be video or audio taped? I think knowing what goes on in a jury room could be an important step.
I feel something like that opens up a lot of people to become targets either way. For the people who voted guilty in this case and the ones who voted not guilty.
Not that I don't want to know why, but... it seems like it could be seriously dangerous, even if it's just distorted audio.
But fuck this verdict. I wish I were surprised. Fuck it all.
Me too. This has really made me think about jury deliberations being private.
ETA: should they still be? Should they be video or audio taped? I think knowing what goes on in a jury room could be an important step.
I feel something like that opens up a lot of people to become targets either way. For the people who voted guilty in this case and the ones who voted not guilty.
Not that I don't want to know why, but... it seems like it could be seriously dangerous, even if it's just distorted audio.
But fuck this verdict. I wish I were surprised. Fuck it all.
I'm not really imagining it would be made or even available to the public, but maybe to the judge? Or a committee or something on criminal justice reform?
The complete and total secrecy has always bothered me. Maybe there's some happy medium between shrouded in secrecy and totally public.
I feel something like that opens up a lot of people to become targets either way. For the people who voted guilty in this case and the ones who voted not guilty.
Not that I don't want to know why, but... it seems like it could be seriously dangerous, even if it's just distorted audio.
But fuck this verdict. I wish I were surprised. Fuck it all.
I'm not really imagining it would be made or even available to the public, but maybe to the judge? Or a committee or something on criminal justice reform?
The complete and total secrecy has always bothered me. Maybe there's some happy medium between shrouded in secrecy and totally public.
I felt not the slightest bit sad about what I said and I'll say it again until our white privileged asses stop....I hate that many women here, and irl's children have more value in this nation than my kid. Fuck it. You don't feel safe? Too fucking bad...welcome to life for millions of our neighbors. Stop fucking being ok with your reps and their inability to grow a backbone and stand up to the nra. And stop believing in bootstraps.