Taylor swift sexual assault trial

[MrsAxilla]

I don't remember hearing about this before he trial started this week.  Local news said fans were lined up early to get a seat in the courtroom.  

Radio host David Mueller was invited to a "meet-and-greet" with Taylor Swift during her Red tour in 2013. He met her backstage at the Pepsi Center in Denver with his girlfriend and, after some small talk, they posed for a photograph.

According to Swift, the DJ reached under her dress and grabbed her bottom. "He took his hand and put it up my dress and grabbed onto my ass cheek, and no matter how much I scooted over, it was still there," Swift says in court documents.

Mueller, whose on-air name was Jackson, was later removed from the concert by security guards. He denies that anything inappropriate happened.

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[pixy0stix]

You haven't? It's been on and off the news for about a year now. I feel bad for tswift that her fans are treating this like a concert. I hope all the kids get really stupidly bored and don't come back to the proceedings.

[pixy0stix]

I mean, it's really obvious what he's doing here.

[One Girl In All The World]

 to that photo

[lilibet]

That photo is awful, it's so obvious what he's doing and how uncomfortable she is.

I really hate that we (general we) make these serious court situations into such circuses. This is not the time for her screaming fans to line up to try to snap a picture.

[muffin0]

Aug 9, 2017 10:18:00 GMT -5 One Girl In All The World said:

 to that photo

HOLY SHIT! I never saw the picture.

I believed her, but I didn't think it was this fucking obvious.

[MrsAxilla]

Aug 9, 2017 10:13:39 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

You haven't? It's been on and off the news for about a year now. I feel bad for tswift that her fans are treating this like a concert. I hope all the kids get really stupidly bored and don't come back to the proceedings.

I only watch local news in the am, which is mainly just traffic and weather on repeat.

[Champagne Supernova]

Ugh, I don't like her but that guy is disgusting.

And yes, I hope those fans are there to support her, not to gawk at her as if it's a fucking concert.

[isabel]

Ohhhh. They were going on and on about this on some radio show this morning, but didn't actually say anything about what the trial is about. I hadn't heard about it.

eta: Um, wtf to that picture!? His hand is clearly very intentionally on her ass. Whether or not he lifter her skirt, I can't tell, but he was definitely touching her inappropriately. I appreciate that she is using this to bring awareness to the issue and not seeking monetary damages from him. I don't know anything about her really, but that's a decent thing to do.

etaa: Radio DJs make good money!

[Michelle]

I hadn't heard this either MrsA. :-)

Sympathies to Taylor though - he looks like gropey mcgroperson.

[pixy0stix]

Looks like people are actually staying away - www.denverpost.com/2017/08/09/taylor-swift-trial-day-three/

[jreeds]

The look on his face in that pic makes me  :? . What a slimy bastard.

[heyjude]

Wow. Good for her taking this on. What a perv. And think how many other women he has violated?!

[meganew]

Aug 9, 2017 12:45:32 GMT -5 heyjude said:

Wow. Good for her taking this on. What a perv. And think how many other women he has violated?!

Yup, because if you're brazen enough to put your hand up a woman's skirt while being fucking photographed it's because, I'd assume, you've already got away with so much more that you feel invincible. Slime ball.

[Captain Catnip]

I'm sorry that this happened to her, but I'm glad there is a lawsuit regarding this. I feel like some of her fan base still see her as a down home country girl and generally wouldn't take any type of sexual misconduct seriously but may pay more attention after this.

[seeyalater52]

I fucking LOVE her for taking this scum on. What a disgusting pig. Also isn't she suing him for a dollar or something, on principle? Rock on, girl, get some justice.

[WOT?*]

He effed with the wrong girl. She's not some bumblefuck hick. Dad's a financial adviser, she's been a celebrity since she was a teenager...she's not some Dopey McBumblefuck off the hayrick. She was groomed for this shit. This was his "chance" to grope a celebrity, I think, and he probably thought she'd laugh it off or be uncomfortable but shrug it off because the "young and innocent ingénue" schtick she pulls off. She's a marketer as well as a celebrity, and there's no way she's going to let a guy lay hands on her without her permission.

You've got to wonder how many he's groped that don't have her power, popularity, education, background or support.

[mrs.jacinthe]

Aug 9, 2017 12:33:30 GMT -5 isabel said:

etaa: Radio DJs make good money!

They don't.  Unless you're a big name syndicated show or a morning/afternoon drive host in a very large market, radio djs make peanuts.  And even the big-name/syndicated folks can make substantially less than other similarly high-profile/public facing careers like tv personalities, actors, etc...  it's part of the reason I chose not to pursue radio after I left college.  I was making better money doing data entry.  (FOR REAL).
www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes273011.htm

Also, I'm reading that he's reporting damages of $500,000 in 401k losses over 14 years AND stating he puts 10.59% of his income into that 401k, making his earnings average around $387,000 a year, which is, unless I'm really mistaken about his popularity, ridiculous.  Radio DJs do not make that, unless they're Ryan Seacrest or similar.  A morning show host in syndication or in a major market *might* pull down six figures, but it's unlikely to be such a high six-figures, unless he has pictures of the station owner with a goat, KWIM?  At the time of the groping, Entercom owned KYGO and a quick review of how their salaries range on Glassdoor indicates to me that they're paying at or slightly below market average.  So I'm calling BS on his stupid damages claim.

I hope her lawyers tear him to pieces.  Slimeball.

[isabel]

Aug 9, 2017 18:25:42 GMT -5 mrs.jacinthe said:

Aug 9, 2017 12:33:30 GMT -5 isabel said:

etaa: Radio DJs make good money!

They don't.  Unless you're a big name syndicated show or a morning/afternoon drive host in a very large market, radio djs make peanuts.  And even the big-name/syndicated folks can make substantially less than other similarly high-profile/public facing careers like tv personalities, actors, etc...  it's part of the reason I chose not to pursue radio after I left college.  I was making better money doing data entry.  (FOR REAL).
www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes273011.htm

Also, I'm reading that he's reporting damages of $500,000 in 401k losses over 14 years AND stating he puts 10.59% of his income into that 401k, making his earnings average around $387,000 a year, which is, unless I'm really mistaken about his popularity, ridiculous.  Radio DJs do not make that, unless they're Ryan Seacrest or similar.  A morning show host in syndication or in a major market *might* pull down six figures, but it's unlikely to be such a high six-figures, unless he has pictures of the station owner with a goat, KWIM?  At the time of the groping, Entercom owned KYGO and a quick review of how their salaries range on Glassdoor indicates to me that they're paying at or slightly below market average.  So I'm calling BS on his stupid damages claim.

I hope her lawyers tear him to pieces.  Slimeball.

I was just going by the article, which says he was making $150k.

[cuddlyevil]

That guy is disgusting. And wtf to the fans.

[mrs.jacinthe]

Aug 9, 2017 18:27:24 GMT -5 isabel said:

Aug 9, 2017 18:25:42 GMT -5 mrs.jacinthe said:

They don't.  Unless you're a big name syndicated show or a morning/afternoon drive host in a very large market, radio djs make peanuts.  And even the big-name/syndicated folks can make substantially less than other similarly high-profile/public facing careers like tv personalities, actors, etc...  it's part of the reason I chose not to pursue radio after I left college.  I was making better money doing data entry.  (FOR REAL).
www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes273011.htm

Also, I'm reading that he's reporting damages of $500,000 in 401k losses over 14 years AND stating he puts 10.59% of his income into that 401k, making his earnings average around $387,000 a year, which is, unless I'm really mistaken about his popularity, ridiculous.  Radio DJs do not make that, unless they're Ryan Seacrest or similar.  A morning show host in syndication or in a major market *might* pull down six figures, but it's unlikely to be such a high six-figures, unless he has pictures of the station owner with a goat, KWIM?  At the time of the groping, Entercom owned KYGO and a quick review of how their salaries range on Glassdoor indicates to me that they're paying at or slightly below market average.  So I'm calling BS on his stupid damages claim.

I hope her lawyers tear him to pieces.  Slimeball.

I was just going by the article, which says he was making $150k.

I honestly kind of doubt that number too, but I can't imagine they'd lie about that publicly and hope to get away with it, and Denver is a major market, so I guess anything's possible.  But yeah, in general, your average morning show host in a town such as Bowling Green (ETA: random example) is making $20/hour and either working part time or doing double-duty at the station as like, traffic manager or something in order to pay the bills.  Radio is *not* a lucrative career.

[BlondeSpiders]

Aug 9, 2017 9:35:53 GMT -5 MrsAxilla said:

I don't remember hearing about this before he trial started this week.  Local news said fans were lined up early to get a seat in the courtroom.  

According to Swift, the DJ reached under her dress and grabbed her bottom. "He took his hand and put it up my dress and grabbed onto my ass cheek, and no matter how much I scooted over, it was still there," Swift says in court documents.

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You know, I hate how we are socialized to do this. Scoot over avoid it. Smile while moving a hand off a boob or butt. We're not supposed to react strongly or lash out when we're famous, or on the air. It fucking blows. It is so infuriating to me.

The French singer who got kissed on the chest from a game show host, after she refused a kiss on the cheek: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3846834/It-s-sexual-assault-French-gameshow-host-provokes-outrage-kisses-woman-s-breast-live-TV-told-not-to.html

This Italian singer who's performing on stage and getting groped. She bumps him away with her ass and everybody fucking LAUGHS, and it continues: www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/italy-woman-groped-tv-live-despite-telling-stop-amici-di-maria-de-filippi-emma-marrone-a7708336.html

This asshole who tries to kiss his co-anchor LIVE ON AIR because she's going on maternity leave: www.attn.com/stories/10419/australian-news-anchor-dodges-kiss-on-air

In every one of these instances (and there are SO many more) I wish the women would have just decked the guys. But no, they're ladies, and they have to be nice on the air. Can you imagine the outcry if they responded in a physical way? I really wish a motherfucker would.

Then there's this lady, who's my goddamned hero: www.cbc.ca/player/play/1018190403623
She's in the field, reporting live on a concert, and a rando comes up behind her and tries to kiss her on the cheek. She pushes him away, hard and then says NO. She then blasts him on Facebook with photos.

[jezebel]

If you don't want to lose your high paying job, do t grope innocent women.

Or run for President and win. Whatever.

[AJL]

Aug 9, 2017 18:58:43 GMT -5 BlondeSpiders said:

Aug 9, 2017 9:35:53 GMT -5 MrsAxilla said:

I don't remember hearing about this before he trial started this week.  Local news said fans were lined up early to get a seat in the courtroom.  link

You know, I hate how we are socialized to do this. Scoot over avoid it. Smile while moving a hand off a boob or butt. We're not supposed to react strongly or lash out when we're famous, or on the air. It fucking blows. It is so infuriating to me.

The French singer who got kissed on the chest from a game show host, after she refused a kiss on the cheek: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3846834/It-s-sexual-assault-French-gameshow-host-provokes-outrage-kisses-woman-s-breast-live-TV-told-not-to.html

This Italian singer who's performing on stage and getting groped. She bumps him away with her ass and everybody fucking LAUGHS, and it continues: www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/italy-woman-groped-tv-live-despite-telling-stop-amici-di-maria-de-filippi-emma-marrone-a7708336.html

This asshole who tries to kiss his co-anchor LIVE ON AIR because she's going on maternity leave: www.attn.com/stories/10419/australian-news-anchor-dodges-kiss-on-air

In every one of these instances (and there are SO many more) I wish the women would have just decked the guys. But no, they're ladies, and they have to be nice on the air. Can you imagine the outcry if they responded in a physical way? I really wish a motherfucker would.

Then there's this lady, who's my goddamned hero: www.cbc.ca/player/play/1018190403623
She's in the field, reporting live on a concert, and a rando comes up behind her and tries to kiss her on the cheek. She pushes him away, hard and then says NO. She then blasts him on Facebook with photos.

Isaac Mizrahi's grope of Scarlett Johansson's breasts at the 2008 Goldem Globes.

Adrien Brody's kiss without consent of Halle Berry at the 2003 Oscars.

Plus the countless learing and sexual comments and jokes made of women, both famous and not, in the entertainment business, in any business.

[moreace01]

wait, he sued her first? wtf...

[mssaint]

FUCK THAT DUDE.

[MrsAxilla]

Aug 9, 2017 18:58:43 GMT -5 BlondeSpiders said:

Aug 9, 2017 9:35:53 GMT -5 MrsAxilla said:

I don't remember hearing about this before he trial started this week.  Local news said fans were lined up early to get a seat in the courtroom.  link

You know, I hate how we are socialized to do this. Scoot over avoid it. Smile while moving a hand off a boob or butt. We're not supposed to react strongly or lash out when we're famous, or on the air. It fucking blows. It is so infuriating to me.

The French singer who got kissed on the chest from a game show host, after she refused a kiss on the cheek: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3846834/It-s-sexual-assault-French-gameshow-host-provokes-outrage-kisses-woman-s-breast-live-TV-told-not-to.html

This Italian singer who's performing on stage and getting groped. She bumps him away with her ass and everybody fucking LAUGHS, and it continues: www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/italy-woman-groped-tv-live-despite-telling-stop-amici-di-maria-de-filippi-emma-marrone-a7708336.html

This asshole who tries to kiss his co-anchor LIVE ON AIR because she's going on maternity leave: www.attn.com/stories/10419/australian-news-anchor-dodges-kiss-on-air

In every one of these instances (and there are SO many more) I wish the women would have just decked the guys. But no, they're ladies, and they have to be nice on the air. Can you imagine the outcry if they responded in a physical way? I really wish a motherfucker would.

Then there's this lady, who's my goddamned hero: www.cbc.ca/player/play/1018190403623
She's in the field, reporting live on a concert, and a rando comes up behind her and tries to kiss her on the cheek. She pushes him away, hard and then says NO. She then blasts him on Facebook with photos.

Some fans of my favorite band started Groove Safe to raise awareness about groping at concerts.  All these fucking dudes chimed in like "What?!?  That doesn't happen!  If it does, why don't you deck someone?!?"  Lots of women shared their experiences.  Even DH was shocked when I said it happens regularly.  You don't always know who the hand belongs to, and the person has moved along before you can react, or you don't want to cause a scene, or you're alone, or whatever.  I've definitely been more assertive in the past few years and have physically removed dudes from my personal space.  But the last time it happened to me, I ran into a vague acquaintance while DH was in the bathroom.  He said he was so happy to see me that he could kiss me, and then he did.  I was SHOCKED.  I pushed him and said don't do that, and then he doubled down with "why not?  I missed you!"  All the lectures I've given about no means no, hands to yourself, yada yada yada, flew right out of my head until he'd disappeared into the crowd, and then *I* felt guilty!  This was last summer, when you bet your ass I wish a motherfucker would!  The conditioning bred into women is runs deep.  Shit happens even when we're vigilant.  And why the fuck should we have to be vigilant all the damn time?  Why can't I dance at Phish unmolested?  

TLDR: if you enjoy concerts, check out Groove Safe and support them!

[meganew]

Aug 9, 2017 23:34:37 GMT -5 MrsAxilla said:

Aug 9, 2017 18:58:43 GMT -5 BlondeSpiders said:

You know, I hate how we are socialized to do this. Scoot over avoid it. Smile while moving a hand off a boob or butt. We're not supposed to react strongly or lash out when we're famous, or on the air. It fucking blows. It is so infuriating to me.

The French singer who got kissed on the chest from a game show host, after she refused a kiss on the cheek: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3846834/It-s-sexual-assault-French-gameshow-host-provokes-outrage-kisses-woman-s-breast-live-TV-told-not-to.html

This Italian singer who's performing on stage and getting groped. She bumps him away with her ass and everybody fucking LAUGHS, and it continues: www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/italy-woman-groped-tv-live-despite-telling-stop-amici-di-maria-de-filippi-emma-marrone-a7708336.html

This asshole who tries to kiss his co-anchor LIVE ON AIR because she's going on maternity leave: www.attn.com/stories/10419/australian-news-anchor-dodges-kiss-on-air

In every one of these instances (and there are SO many more) I wish the women would have just decked the guys. But no, they're ladies, and they have to be nice on the air. Can you imagine the outcry if they responded in a physical way? I really wish a motherfucker would.

Then there's this lady, who's my goddamned hero: www.cbc.ca/player/play/1018190403623
She's in the field, reporting live on a concert, and a rando comes up behind her and tries to kiss her on the cheek. She pushes him away, hard and then says NO. She then blasts him on Facebook with photos.

Some fans of my favorite band started Groove Safe to raise awareness about groping at concerts.  All these fucking dudes chimed in like "What?!?  That doesn't happen!  If it does, why don't you deck someone?!?"  Lots of women shared their experiences.  Even DH was shocked when I said it happens regularly.  You don't always know who the hand belongs to, and the person has moved along before you can react, or you don't want to cause a scene, or you're alone, or whatever.  I've definitely been more assertive in the past few years and have physically removed dudes from my personal space.  But the last time it happened to me, I ran into a vague acquaintance while DH was in the bathroom.  He said he was so happy to see me that he could kiss me, and then he did.  I was SHOCKED.  I pushed him and said don't do that, and then he doubled down with "why not?  I missed you!"  All the lectures I've given about no means no, hands to yourself, yada yada yada, flew right out of my head until he'd disappeared into the crowd, and then *I* felt guilty!  This was last summer, when you bet your ass I wish a motherfucker would!  The conditioning bred into women is runs deep.  Shit happens even when we're vigilant.  And why the fuck should we have to be vigilant all the damn time?  Why can't I dance at Phish unmolested?  

TLDR: if you enjoy concerts, check out Groove Safe and support them!

It happens at shows SO often. I know shit like this has happened to me multiple times (groping while crowd surfing, etc) and I don't know of a single girl I went to shows with who hasn't had it happen. It was so commonplace that you never even really complained about it- it's just something that was.

One of our favorite bands Tigers Jaw has a female keyboard player, and I think it was last year some guy kept jumping up on stage and trying to kiss her while she was playing. After the second time they stopped and laid into the crowd and had the guy removed. I can't imagine thinking I deserve to place my hands or mouth on a complete stranger. Fucking gross.

[VillainV]

This is somewhat local to me. The "fans" shown on our news stations weren't screaming teenie boppers, they were mostly women supporting her and thanking her for standing up to this creep and for being a role model to young girls showing them that this kind of behavior isn't acceptable.

[pokerface]

Some of her testimony today:

"At one point, McFarland brought up a photo from the meet-and-greet that shows Swift, Mueller, and Mueller's then-girlfriend Shannon Melcher. Each side of the trial has attempted to use the photo to bolster their argument, but Swift rejected McFarland's claim that the photo showed nothing inappropriate.
"Gabe, this is a photo of him with his hand up my skirt -- with his hand on my ass," she said. "You can ask me a million questions -- I'm never going to say anything different. I never have said anything different."

edition.cnn.com/2017/08/10/us/taylor-swift-trial-testimony/index.html