Post by miniroller on Feb 22, 2018 14:33:25 GMT -5
Is anyone listening to Mulvaney*? It was on in the background (I was on the phone for 1/2 his time), but I heard Obama/ Obama administration at least SEVEN times, insofar as blame. *Ok then Raj can on & said “Thanks Kevin” 😐 I TOTALLY thought it was Mick Mulvaney. Sorry? Maybe?
Post by redheadbaker on Feb 22, 2018 14:34:32 GMT -5
At a meeting on school safety, President Trump expressed concerns about the impact of violent movies and video games on “young minds,” saying "maybe they have to put a rating system for that.”
Except there is already a well-established rating system for both movies and video games.
Post by miniroller on Feb 22, 2018 14:41:00 GMT -5
How would the President propose arming 700,000 teachers? WH: I think what the President talked about was taking individuals, personnel w/in schools, some could be teachers, you could have other individuals who have training already in how to use firearms or could gain training & making sure that those individuals could have access to CONCEALED weapons that they could have on school grounds. And those instances the presence of individuals would deter potential attackers.
But how is that practical to arm 700,000 people? WH: Well, I think, I think, when you have these horrible shootings like we’ve had in this past week- what you think is practical & impractical can change. 😐
At a meeting on school safety, President Trump expressed concerns about the impact of violent movies and video games on “young minds,” saying "maybe they have to put a rating system for that.”
Except there is already a well-established rating system for both movies and video games.
Here's your line from tedcruz at @cpac: "The Democrats are the party of Lisa Simpson and Republicans are happily the party of Homer, Bart, Maggie and Marge."
Erm ... I don't think this is really the comparison you want, Ted.
Here's your line from tedcruz at @cpac: "The Democrats are the party of Lisa Simpson and Republicans are happily the party of Homer, Bart, Maggie and Marge."
Erm ... I don't think this is really the comparison you want, Ted.
Exhibit a: above Exhibit b: Photo of trump looking at the eclipse
Oh per my coworker they can sleep in the school in lieu of being paid. Also solves the homeless veteran problem.
So we have armed veterans who are homeless (probably for untreated PTSD or other mental health issues that our fine government refuses to treat), living in schools. Oh, ok, sounds reasonable.
Oh I saw the solution of stationing National Guard at every school since they’re already being paid.
Now...I recall a mass shooting on a military base just a few years ago....so forgive me if I’m not convinced one armed service member or vet is going to stop a school shooting.
Oh I saw the solution of stationing National Guard at every school since they’re already being paid.
Now...I recall a mass shooting on a military base just a few years ago....so forgive me if I’m not convinced one armed service member or vet is going to stop a school shooting.
There's an Anthony Bourdain meme going around about the percentage of NYPD officers that hit their targets while under fire is 18%. Looks like that was a legitimate number in recent years. (http://nation.time.com/2013/09/16/ready-fire-aim-the-science-behind-police-shooting-bystanders/) But yeah, armed cops, service members, or vets are the best way to protect students.
Post by mrs.jacinthe on Feb 22, 2018 15:49:40 GMT -5
I read this nonsense about arming teachers and I'm trying to imagine my mom, who taught 4th grade for 40 years, being handed a gun and taught to use it, which is freaking terrifying. Teachers aren't typically the type who could hurt/kill someone on purpose.
My local boards are full of parents being like "THIS IS A FAILURE OF PARENTS EVERYWHERE! BEAT YOUR KIDS HARDER! EMBED A GPS MONITOR IN THEIR ARM SO YOU ALWAYS KNOW WHERE THEY ARE! STALK THEM ON SOCIAL MEDIA! TAKE YOUR GUN TO THE SCHOOL PICKUP LINE!" (I can't even make this shit up, the GPS monitor thing was an *actual suggestion* I saw this morning.) I hate living in a red county.
Oh I saw the solution of stationing National Guard at every school since they’re already being paid.
Now...I recall a mass shooting on a military base just a few years ago....so forgive me if I’m not convinced one armed service member or vet is going to stop a school shooting.
There's an Anthony Bourdain meme going around about the percentage of NYPD officers that hit their targets while under fire is 18%. Looks like that was a legitimate number in recent years. (http://nation.time.com/2013/09/16/ready-fire-aim-the-science-behind-police-shooting-bystanders/) But yeah, armed cops, service members, or vets are the best way to protect students.
Fucking idiots.
Since most school shootings happen when the kid went to/goes to that school, the armed teacher is also being asked to shoot at someone they know. Is there any data about how accurate cops are when that is the situation? (I think of it from the perspective of a specials teacher, we get every student in the school from k-6, obviously not every 3rd grade teacher knows all the kids)
Post by miniroller on Feb 22, 2018 15:59:18 GMT -5
Sorry for the Tweet but it’s a first-person perspective that corroborates our fears-
A P.E. Teacher we had was fired after locking himself in the office with another young black student and proceeded to fist fight him. He was quietly rehired a couple years later #NOGUNSinschools
We have suicide by cop, why not suicide by teacher? I think many of the shooters don’t plan on coming out alive, so armed teachers aren’t much of a deterrent. Maybe they “only” kill 8 people instead of 15 before they’re shot.
We have suicide by cop, why not suicide by teacher? I think many of the shooters don’t plan on coming out alive, so armed teachers aren’t much of a deterrent. Maybe they “only” kill 8 people instead of 15 before they’re shot.
EXACTLY!!! You know what would be much cheaper, less complicated, enormously safer than arming faculty, but result in the same basic outcome numbers-wise: Get rid of AR-15’s!
Here's your line from tedcruz at @cpac: "The Democrats are the party of Lisa Simpson and Republicans are happily the party of Homer, Bart, Maggie and Marge."
Erm ... I don't think this is really the comparison you want, Ted.
Here's your line from tedcruz at @cpac: "The Democrats are the party of Lisa Simpson and Republicans are happily the party of Homer, Bart, Maggie and Marge."
Erm ... I don't think this is really the comparison you want, Ted.
Would they arm black teachers too? Like, I don't know, Philando Castile? Oh. Wait.
I said this to a co-worker today "even if I thought this was a good idea, I am sure that my ass would get shot by police because I am not white and would be seen as a threat."
Not to mention, as someone who is a good shot, I can't imagine trying to shoot through the crowds of children. An active shooter has the advantage of not caring who he hits as he fires. (And yes, I am using "he" on purpose.)
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It’s interesting to me that he doesn’t wear a wedding ring. I know this is neither here nor there and completely unimportant, but I would think he would just for the optics.
I think it was less common in his generation. My dad didn't even have a wedding ring. So it never surprises me to see a man in his 60s, 70s, 80s without one. Now, Trump didn't work in manufacturing, which was more common in the 60s and 70s and may have accounted for some people not wearing them, but my dad technically doesn't, either.
Oh I saw the solution of stationing National Guard at every school since they’re already being paid.
Now...I recall a mass shooting on a military base just a few years ago....so forgive me if I’m not convinced one armed service member or vet is going to stop a school shooting.
That brings up an interesting point, though. Military bases have military police officers. They don't have literally every person on base packing heat, which is usually the NRA's solution to everything. When you're deployed to an active zone I'm sure you have weapons on you most/all of the time, but the fucking national guard isn't a glorified security detail.
Post by downtoearth on Feb 22, 2018 16:37:38 GMT -5
We have come so far from NRA fighting and losing on Obama's nomination for Surgeon General who had wanted to study gun violence (even within the police), the meeting and discussions between BLM and Obama/DOJ in 2016 to this... #45 who agrees and hires white supremacists, has put a known racist in charge of the DOJ and classifies BLM as "extremist," needs notes to talk sympathetically with mass murder victims' parents, and thinks arming a public school teacher is the way to stop violent white boys instead of dealing with violent white boys. I am so frustrated... our Moms Demand Action and Human Rights Network meetings are seemingly more frustrated. We can't undo #45, but we can't stop fighting this.
Oh I saw the solution of stationing National Guard at every school since they’re already being paid.
Now...I recall a mass shooting on a military base just a few years ago....so forgive me if I’m not convinced one armed service member or vet is going to stop a school shooting.
That brings up an interesting point, though. Military bases have military police officers. They don't have literally every person on base packing heat, which is usually the NRA's solution to everything. When you're deployed to an active zone I'm sure you have weapons on you most/all of the time, but the fucking national guard isn't a glorified security detail.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure at some point it was decided that having everyone armed on base was not actually safer. Will we be arming the Preschool teachers at the CDC on base, too?
Poor Ted. He wants The Simpsons to like him so badly. You just know he's a self-described "Superfan" who's only seen Mr. Plow.
(the best response I saw to this video when it came out was, "The man never drank a Duff in his life," which is a Homer quip about disliking Richard Nixon. LOLOL)