I wonder what influence all this shit will have on next year's college applications. Every college counselor in the country should have a list of current laws by state that they give out to girls when they are deciding where to apply.
No, no, no. Every college counselor should be giving this to girls AND BOYS.
This is not a problem that just hurts women and it’s one that is more complicated for men beyond just the risk of child support.
Would you send your son to college in Georgia knowing that if they helped their girlfriend get an abortion, they could be imprisoned?
I also imagine boys of color fear fake rape accusations by desperate white women in need of medical care. I realize fake rape accusations are rare, but they happen and I’m sure there will be more if women get desperate and are in a state that permits abortion in cases of rape. Remember that many campuses do not require the same burden of proof or due process protections as you would get in a criminal trial to determine expulsion. So women may reason that it will be easy, the guy won’t go to jail, etc. So educational opportunities for these boys could be destroyed even if there’s not enough to bring charges.
Finally, I don’t want to make this thread about men as victims, because these laws are really about hurting women. But we should be counseling boys to stay away from these states not just because it’s bad for them, but because it’s also bad for women.
It’s not good for society if men are living and learning in a place where women are in fear and second class citizens, and where they can’t form healthy, consensual sexual relationships. As the pool of women wanting to attend these schools dries up, standards will lower for the men and they won’t be learning in a challenging and diverse environment. This is precisely the world the evangelicals want because they know this is how you control women. Nobody advising boys should be furthering that agenda If they care about women and girls.
I know we’ve said this before, but we’re really in the Handmaids Tale aren’t we? This is truly terrifying and will make getting good medical care for women so much harder.
I wonder what influence all this shit will have on next year's college applications. Every college counselor in the country should have a list of current laws by state that they give out to girls when they are deciding where to apply.
No, no, no. Every college counselor should be giving this to girls AND BOYS.
This is not a problem that just hurts women and it’s one that is more complicated for men beyond just the risk of child support.
Would you send your son to college in Georgia knowing that if they helped their girlfriend get an abortion, they could be imprisoned?
I also imagine boys of color fear fake rape accusations by desperate white women in need of medical care. I realize fake rape accusations are rare, but they happen and I’m sure there will be more if women get desperate and are in a state that permits abortion in cases of rape. Remember that many campuses do not require the same burden of proof or due process protections as you would get in a criminal trial to determine expulsion. So women may reason that it will be easy, the guy won’t go to jail, etc. So educational opportunities for these boys could be destroyed even if there’s not enough to bring charges.
Finally, I don’t want to make this thread about men as victims, because these laws are really about hurting women. But we should be counseling boys to stay away from these states not just because it’s bad for them, but because it’s also bad for women.
It’s not good for society if men are living and learning in a place where women are in fear and second class citizens, and where they can’t form healthy, consensual sexual relationships. As the pool of women wanting to attend these schools dries up, standards will lower for the men and they won’t be learning in a challenging and diverse environment. This is precisely the world the evangelicals want because they know this is how you control women. Nobody advising boys should be furthering that agenda If they care about women and girls.
I'm just going to quote this so that people can read it again.
Post by imojoebunny on May 15, 2019 17:00:39 GMT -5
It is terrifying to me. I know enough women, who got pregnant in their late 40's to be scared shitless of the possibility. I have an IUD, but I want to tell my husband, whom I love, "hey babe, can we not have sex, if this bullshit goes into effect, until I am firmly in menopause?" because I don't want to take the risk that we have a baby that has 10X the risk of a birth defect , as our last child, (and that is not all combined, that is just chromosomal, other age related birth defects, are not in that number) and I can't abort, past 6 weeks, so we will have to abort or accept that 1 in 4 risk for ourselves, our other children, and our long term finances, regardless, of the birth defect because we will have no medical science prior to 6 weeks.
And don't even get me started on the risk to younger women. Forcing women to have a child, and isn't just a baby, it is a child, and eventually an adult, who will have to be in society, with the drunk frat boy who pinned them in the corner after giving them everclear and Koolaid all night, brilliant idea, they will be great co-parents, and she deserves it because she liked the boy, and drank the everclear (this is sarcasm). Before I started having sex, I called an abortion clinic I could walk to (later was bombed), ask how much it was ($575, no parental permission required), and saved that amount in cash from my babysitting money, and kept that money, until I was 23 and could support myself and a child, because even as a dumb kid, I could see, that having babies as a child, wasn't something that was good for 'merica or me. I want my daughter to have that same piece of mind, minus the bombing, and will do everything in my power, to never have her have to use that money she hides in an envelope. She should have the choice if her and my efforts fail. We are going in the wrong direction, and it is a despicable crime against women, children, and even men.
I wonder what influence all this shit will have on next year's college applications. Every college counselor in the country should have a list of current laws by state that they give out to girls when they are deciding where to apply.
No, no, no. Every college counselor should be giving this to girls AND BOYS.
This is not a problem that just hurts women and it’s one that is more complicated for men beyond just the risk of child support.
Would you send your son to college in Georgia knowing that if they helped their girlfriend get an abortion, they could be imprisoned?
I also imagine boys of color fear fake rape accusations by desperate white women in need of medical care. I realize fake rape accusations are rare, but they happen and I’m sure there will be more if women get desperate and are in a state that permits abortion in cases of rape. Remember that many campuses do not require the same burden of proof or due process protections as you would get in a criminal trial to determine expulsion. So women may reason that it will be easy, the guy won’t go to jail, etc. So educational opportunities for these boys could be destroyed even if there’s not enough to bring charges.
Finally, I don’t want to make this thread about men as victims, because these laws are really about hurting women. But we should be counseling boys to stay away from these states not just because it’s bad for them, but because it’s also bad for women.
It’s not good for society if men are living and learning in a place where women are in fear and second class citizens, and where they can’t form healthy, consensual sexual relationships. As the pool of women wanting to attend these schools dries up, standards will lower for the men and they won’t be learning in a challenging and diverse environment. This is precisely the world the evangelicals want because they know this is how you control women. Nobody advising boys should be furthering that agenda If they care about women and girls.
Absolutely. I read the news as a mother of girls, but it certainly applies to boys as well.
Post by illgetthere on May 15, 2019 18:11:41 GMT -5
Ivey signed it
"In all meaningful respects, this bill closely resembles an abortion ban that has been a part of Alabama law for well over 100 years. As today’s bill itself recognizes, that longstanding abortion law has been rendered “unenforceable as a result of the U.S. Supreme Court decision in Roe v. Wade.”
No matter one’s personal view on abortion, we can all recognize that, at least for the short term, this bill may similarly be unenforceable. As citizens of this great country, we must always respect the authority of the U.S. Supreme Court even when we disagree with their decisions. Many Americans, myself included, disagreed when Roe v. Wade was handed down in 1973. The sponsors of this bill believe that it is time, once again, for the U.S. Supreme Court to revisit this important matter, and they believe this act may bring about the best opportunity for this to occur."
Alabama is like 46th in the country for healthcare, has one of the highest infant mortality rates, and is like 2nd in the country for gun deaths. Please tell us more about how every life is sacred, Governor. 🙄
I wonder what influence all this shit will have on next year's college applications. Every college counselor in the country should have a list of current laws by state that they give out to girls when they are deciding where to apply.
No, no, no. Every college counselor should be giving this to girls AND BOYS.
This is not a problem that just hurts women and it’s one that is more complicated for men beyond just the risk of child support.
Would you send your son to college in Georgia knowing that if they helped their girlfriend get an abortion, they could be imprisoned?
I also imagine boys of color fear fake rape accusations by desperate white women in need of medical care. I realize fake rape accusations are rare, but they happen and I’m sure there will be more if women get desperate and are in a state that permits abortion in cases of rape. Remember that many campuses do not require the same burden of proof or due process protections as you would get in a criminal trial to determine expulsion. So women may reason that it will be easy, the guy won’t go to jail, etc. So educational opportunities for these boys could be destroyed even if there’s not enough to bring charges.
Finally, I don’t want to make this thread about men as victims, because these laws are really about hurting women. But we should be counseling boys to stay away from these states not just because it’s bad for them, but because it’s also bad for women.
It’s not good for society if men are living and learning in a place where women are in fear and second class citizens, and where they can’t form healthy, consensual sexual relationships. As the pool of women wanting to attend these schools dries up, standards will lower for the men and they won’t be learning in a challenging and diverse environment. This is precisely the world the evangelicals want because they know this is how you control women. Nobody advising boys should be furthering that agenda If they care about women and girls.
Or, you know, we can educate the boys we're raising to be men to fight this no matter where they live. People ALREADY live in these states who hate this shit and are fighting it. Moving and avoiding is not going to solve this immediate crisis or the long term problem. And it's a privileged as hell proposed solution.
Alabama is like 46th in the country for healthcare, has one of the highest infant mortality rates, and is like 2nd in the country for gun deaths. Please tell us more about how every life is sacred, Governor. 🙄
Maybe they should expand Medicaid instead of dabbling in this bullshit.
GOP Michigan state lawmaker praises bill banning abortion, says 'procedure should be painful'
Michigan state Sen. Kim LaSata (R) on Tuesday praised legislation banning an abortion procedure known as dilation-and-evacuation saying that the procedure "should be painful" for women.
“Of course it should be hard, and the procedure should be painful, and you should allow God to take over, and you should deliver that baby, and you should handle the situation,” LaSata, a sponsor of one of the bills, said while discussing the measure, according to Michigan Radio.
LaSata reportedly made the remarks while talking about an attempt she made to terminate a pregnancy before she ultimately had a miscarriage.
LaSata's office did not immediately respond to a request for further comment from The Hill.
The Michigan House and Senate voted along party lines on Tuesday to prohibit an abortion procedure that is commonly used in second-trimester abortions.
GOP Michigan state lawmaker praises bill banning abortion, says 'procedure should be painful'
Michigan state Sen. Kim LaSata (R) on Tuesday praised legislation banning an abortion procedure known as dilation-and-evacuation saying that the procedure "should be painful" for women.
“Of course it should be hard, and the procedure should be painful, and you should allow God to take over, and you should deliver that baby, and you should handle the situation,” LaSata, a sponsor of one of the bills, said while discussing the measure, according to Michigan Radio.
LaSata reportedly made the remarks while talking about an attempt she made to terminate a pregnancy before she ultimately had a miscarriage.
LaSata's office did not immediately respond to a request for further comment from The Hill.
The Michigan House and Senate voted along party lines on Tuesday to prohibit an abortion procedure that is commonly used in second-trimester abortions.
GOP Michigan state lawmaker praises bill banning abortion, says 'procedure should be painful'
Michigan state Sen. Kim LaSata (R) on Tuesday praised legislation banning an abortion procedure known as dilation-and-evacuation saying that the procedure "should be painful" for women.
“Of course it should be hard, and the procedure should be painful, and you should allow God to take over, and you should deliver that baby, and you should handle the situation,” LaSata, a sponsor of one of the bills, said while discussing the measure, according to Michigan Radio.
LaSata reportedly made the remarks while talking about an attempt she made to terminate a pregnancy before she ultimately had a miscarriage.
LaSata's office did not immediately respond to a request for further comment from The Hill.
The Michigan House and Senate voted along party lines on Tuesday to prohibit an abortion procedure that is commonly used in second-trimester abortions.
Wait. She made the decision to (attempt to) terminate a pregnancy of her own, but wants to take that option away from other women? Am I reading this right? Also, from what I’ve read/heard, having an abortion isn’t a walk in the park. It *is* painful, isn’t it? Certainly it can be emotionally painful, too.
GOP Michigan state lawmaker praises bill banning abortion, says 'procedure should be painful'
Michigan state Sen. Kim LaSata (R) on Tuesday praised legislation banning an abortion procedure known as dilation-and-evacuation saying that the procedure "should be painful" for women.
“Of course it should be hard, and the procedure should be painful, and you should allow God to take over, and you should deliver that baby, and you should handle the situation,” LaSata, a sponsor of one of the bills, said while discussing the measure, according to Michigan Radio.
LaSata reportedly made the remarks while talking about an attempt she made to terminate a pregnancy before she ultimately had a miscarriage.
LaSata's office did not immediately respond to a request for further comment from The Hill.
The Michigan House and Senate voted along party lines on Tuesday to prohibit an abortion procedure that is commonly used in second-trimester abortions.
Wait. She made the decision to (attempt to) terminate a pregnancy of her own, but wants to take that option away from other women? Am I reading this right? Also, from what I’ve read/heard, having an abortion isn’t a walk in the park. It *is* painful, isn’t it? Certainly it can be emotionally painful, too.
This is so sickening. All of it.
Yeah, it IS painful, both physically and mentally.
Moving and avoiding is not going to solve this immediate crisis or the long term problem. And it's a privileged as hell proposed solution.
Of course choosing a college (especially when you are free to pick by location) is an incredibly privileged position.
However, when making that privileged decision the reproductive rights environment is relevant.
We probably all know women who chose, or didn't choose, to have an abortion during their undergraduate, grad school or professional school years. That choice had a huge effect on how their schooling proceeded.
If the desirability and reputations of Emory, Ohio State, Oberlin, Kenyon, UGA (and soon probably Duke, UNC and Vanderbilt) all dropped, those state legislatures would notice and care. While definitely an exercise of privilege, that sort of boycott would be noticed and directly related to the legislation at hand.
Moving and avoiding is not going to solve this immediate crisis or the long term problem. And it's a privileged as hell proposed solution.
Of course choosing a college (especially when you are free to pick by location) is an incredibly privileged position.
However, when making that privileged decision the reproductive rights environment is relevant.
We probably all know women who chose, or didn't chose, to have an abortion during their undergraduate, grad school or professional school years. That choice had a huge effect on how their schooling proceeded.
If the desirability and reputations of Emory, Ohio State, Oberlin, Kenyon, UGA (and soon probably Duke, UNC and Vanderbilt) all dropped, those state legislatures would notice and care. While definitely an exercise of privilege, that sort of boycott would be noticed and directly related to the legislation at hand.
Nearly every reaction it feels like I see boils down to move, avoid, boycott. Not just this college proposal, like, everything. That doesn't stop the problem. It's growing tiresome. I'm cynical that declining enrollment at, for example, Duke, a private school, in 5 years is going to motivate legislatures to do shit. Meanwhile, everything's on fire. TODAY. How about some other solutions? You know, not interstate uprooting and rehauling of a bunch of people's lives ones.
Of course choosing a college (especially when you are free to pick by location) is an incredibly privileged position.
However, when making that privileged decision the reproductive rights environment is relevant.
We probably all know women who chose, or didn't chose, to have an abortion during their undergraduate, grad school or professional school years. That choice had a huge effect on how their schooling proceeded.
If the desirability and reputations of Emory, Ohio State, Oberlin, Kenyon, UGA (and soon probably Duke, UNC and Vanderbilt) all dropped, those state legislatures would notice and care. While definitely an exercise of privilege, that sort of boycott would be noticed and directly related to the legislation at hand.
Nearly every reaction it feels like I see boils down to move, avoid, boycott. Not just this college proposal, like, everything. That doesn't stop the problem. It's growing tiresome. I'm cynical that declining enrollment at, for example, Duke, a private school, in 5 years is going to motivate legislatures to do shit. Meanwhile, everything's on fire. TODAY. How about some other solutions?
That's fair. It wasn't meant to be a solution as much as a natural consequence.
Any real change comes from within. Which is where that list of local causes where we can donate is important.
And I'm going to bow out for a bit. I'm angry. We're all angry. But all this talking is doing for me right now is making me super pissed and extra amped about my impotence. I'm going to go donate to the Yellowhammer Fund. I learned about it today.
I'll admit upfront that my thoughts are irrational.
I found myself worried that laws would be changing to allow my medical records to be scrutinized. And I would be prosecuted for choosing to live and be a mother to my boys instead of choosing to continue an unplanned ( but would be welcomed in other circumstances) pregnancy that could have taken my life, as my 1st pregnancy almost did.
I've had some pretty bad anxiety the last few days and I know its stemming from the latest abortion bills. I've donated so much money but still feel helpless.
Fuck everyone and anyone who believe their religious views have any business in the choices I make for my body and my ability to chose to remain alive for my children.
And I'm going to bow out for a bit. I'm angry. We're all angry. But all this talking is doing for me right now is making me super pissed and extra amped about my impotence. I'm going to go donate to the Yellowhammer Fund. I learned about it today.
I’m honestly ready to fly to Alabama and start setting shit on fire. I am donating and sharing and retweeting and I work for a national social justice organization that hS reproductive justice as one of our top priorities.
No, no, no. Every college counselor should be giving this to girls AND BOYS.
This is not a problem that just hurts women and it’s one that is more complicated for men beyond just the risk of child support.
Would you send your son to college in Georgia knowing that if they helped their girlfriend get an abortion, they could be imprisoned?
I also imagine boys of color fear fake rape accusations by desperate white women in need of medical care. I realize fake rape accusations are rare, but they happen and I’m sure there will be more if women get desperate and are in a state that permits abortion in cases of rape. Remember that many campuses do not require the same burden of proof or due process protections as you would get in a criminal trial to determine expulsion. So women may reason that it will be easy, the guy won’t go to jail, etc. So educational opportunities for these boys could be destroyed even if there’s not enough to bring charges.
Finally, I don’t want to make this thread about men as victims, because these laws are really about hurting women. But we should be counseling boys to stay away from these states not just because it’s bad for them, but because it’s also bad for women.
It’s not good for society if men are living and learning in a place where women are in fear and second class citizens, and where they can’t form healthy, consensual sexual relationships. As the pool of women wanting to attend these schools dries up, standards will lower for the men and they won’t be learning in a challenging and diverse environment. This is precisely the world the evangelicals want because they know this is how you control women. Nobody advising boys should be furthering that agenda If they care about women and girls.
Or, you know, we can educate the boys we're raising to be men to fight this no matter where they live. People ALREADY live in these states who hate this shit and are fighting it. Moving and avoiding is not going to solve this immediate crisis or the long term problem. And it's a privileged as hell proposed solution.
I am very sorry. I was not proposing advocating people living there move but was thinking about how to advise prospective students who don’t live there. I was also assuming that out of state boys aren’t going to be voting in Georgia if they attend college there. But I just realized I don’t know how this works. I was assuming most college kids’ state of residency for voting purposes is where their parents live. But I went to college in Canada so voting absentee in my parents’ state was my only option, so I am not really basing this assumption on anything.
Made a donation to the yellowhammer fund. Short of women everywhere physically destroying property, I really don’t know what else I’m supposed to do anymore.
I am, frankly, terrified that this is going to go the way republicans hope it will when it eventually ends up with the SCOTUS.
Post by picksthemusic on May 15, 2019 22:33:12 GMT -5
@ - As someone who just last week had to take Misoprostol to complete a miscarriage of an empty gestational sac, this is all downright scary and horrifying. I am lucky to live in a state where there is a lot of support for women and access to good healthcare. I cannot imagine going through this in a state that would make me suffer even more than I already have. And the woman who said abortions should be painful can go fuck herself.
Post by nicbreeful on May 15, 2019 23:22:38 GMT -5
From The Onion. It absolutely baffles me that a SATIRE NEWS SITE has more sense than some of our state's GD governments.
In a spoiler because @@@ and could be triggering. I think that this should be printed off and mailed in by the hundreds to the people that support these bills. Unbelievable.