Post by foundmylazybum on Nov 1, 2019 8:00:10 GMT -5
Personally, I think the high priced LA college probably is doomed if it cannot reimagine itself and catch up with the times.
The days of college being about this "experience" where you pay high prices for dorms, food, 1:1 ratios and finding yourselves etc are, in fact for very privileged and few people.
Colleges that succeed provide for diverse backgrounds racially, ethnically and financially. They are technically advanced to meet needs of students and they are educationally prepared to understand that the modern student can and does take courses at multiple institutions now.
They help the student be ready to get a job with the degree.
Basically successful colleges break stigma that holds large swaths of the paying public back.
I had a wandering college education path. I went to a specialized engineering school, came back to a community college, transferred to a regional public university to finish my bachelors and complete a masters, and did another grad degree at a flagship state public university. I currently teach at a state college (which is really just a community college with a few four year workforce degrees). My students who transfer to our public universities are AS GOOD as those who start at the state universities. Data shows that--those who complete their AA with us go to the state universities and graduate with GPAs equal to or higher than those who started at the university and finished. However, they are are looked down upon as being less than. I teach advanced mathematics to mainly engineers and last year, my husband said that I teach "calculus-lite" because it would be so much more rigorous at a university like the one he went to. I was angry because I meet with instructors of my course across my state and the country regularly and my course covers as much, if not more than, the coverage in other institutions. The major difference is that I have 15-30 students in a section and they have 50-300.
Okay, word soup done, I agree with the liberal arts college philosophy because they focus on breadth of experience, small classes, and individualized instruction--which are the foundations of deeper learning. I don't agree with the exclusiveness that develops due to the high prices. This is where I love the community college model. When community colleges are allowed to focus on students at a reasonable price and not killed by a thousand budget cuts, they excel at providing students with a liberal arts education while preparing students for a specialized degree in their third and fourth years (the basic AA transfer track model). Community colleges also fill the need for specialized two year degrees (the basic AS model) and remediation (the developmental education gap). These are three very different focus areas and when state legislatures ignore one in favor of the others, it leads to a lack of balance.
Will LAC survive? I don't know--I think that some will. I think that some won't. Those that don't probably have been fighting a battle for relevance for a long time.
Personally, I think the high priced LA college probably is doomed if it cannot reimagine itself and catch up with the times.
The days of college being about this "experience" where you pay high prices for dorms, food, 1:1 ratios and finding yourselves etc are, in fact for very privileged and few people.
Colleges that succeed provide for diverse backgrounds racially, ethnically and financially. They are technically advanced to meet needs of students and they are educationally prepared to understand that the modern student can and does take courses at multiple institutions now.
They help the student be ready to get a job with the degree.
Basically successful colleges break stigma that holds large swaths of the paying public back.
Interesting that you say this because I feel like the LAC featured in the article is exactly the type of institution that feels more timely. The idea that test scores don't indicate success, that restrictive pre-set course loads may not be the best for each student, teaching students how to translate the thinking skills that you learn in school to martketable skills in the working world, etc.
The cost is obviously a huge barrier, but it seems like even non-LAC's are getting cost-prohibitive. I mean, there is a reason why the student loan debt of this country has ballooned to a ridiculous level. And unless something is done, its only going to get worse.
If you’re not an Ivy League school, you’re not an Ivy League school.
I assumed it was the land grant colleges of Cornell (where I went), which arent public but they're the closest thing. I'm now realizing that's likely not what it means and I was being too literal and I have NO idea what a public Ivy is lol
If you’re not an Ivy League school, you’re not an Ivy League school.
I assumed it was the land grant colleges of Cornell (where I went), which arent public but they're the closest thing. I'm now realizing that's likely not what it means and I was being too literal and I have NO idea what a public Ivy is lol
Here is an article listing the institutions and talking about the origin of the term "public ivies".
If you’re not an Ivy League school, you’re not an Ivy League school.
It’s not a thing.
People forget that the Ivy League is an athletic conference. There are plenty of schools that are better than at least some of the Ivies but they just don’t play them in football.
I assumed it was the land grant colleges of Cornell (where I went), which arent public but they're the closest thing. I'm now realizing that's likely not what it means and I was being too literal and I have NO idea what a public Ivy is lol
Here is an article listing the institutions and talking about the origin of the term "public ivies".
If you’re not an Ivy League school, you’re not an Ivy League school.
I assumed it was the land grant colleges of Cornell (where I went), which arent public but they're the closest thing. I'm now realizing that's likely not what it means and I was being too literal and I have NO idea what a public Ivy is lol
That's actually a pretty reasonable definition, much better then how the term is typically used.
If you’re not an Ivy League school, you’re not an Ivy League school.
It’s not a thing.
People forget that the Ivy League is an athletic conference. There are plenty of schools that are better than at least some of the Ivies but they just don’t play them in football.
The term was used before athletic conferences were put in place - but that solidified the term.
If you’re not an Ivy League school, you’re not an Ivy League school.
This is the original list of public ivies from wikipedia.
College of William & Mary (Williamsburg, Virginia) Miami University (Oxford, Ohio) University of California (nine campuses as of 1985)[7] University of Michigan (Ann Arbor) University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill University of Texas at Austin University of Vermont (Burlington) University of Virginia (Charlottesville)
TN started offering 2 years of community college for all high school graduates. I do think it will change the landscape with lots of kids going to community college and then transferring.
The thing I loved about college was the residential experience and it does make me sad, but on the other side in the working world where you went to college doesn't really matter it is just a piece of paper used for signaling.
Lol, this is basically a list of state flagships. I went to one of the schools listed and it was not an equivalent education to a real Ivy.
Also these days if you get into a real Ivy it is probably more affordable than your state flagship (unless you are rich already).
LOLZ! I attended two of these schools, applied to and was admitted to three others. You know where I didn’t go, because I didn’t get accepted? The actual Ivy League school I where I applied.
I have three degrees from these public schools and they provided me with a solid education. But they aren’t Yale equivalent. C’mon now,
If you’re not an Ivy League school, you’re not an Ivy League school.
This is the original list of public ivies from wikipedia.
College of William & Mary (Williamsburg, Virginia) Miami University (Oxford, Ohio) University of California (nine campuses as of 1985)[7] University of Michigan (Ann Arbor) University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill University of Texas at Austin University of Vermont (Burlington) University of Virginia (Charlottesville)
The quality of the University of California schools varies greatly (there are 10 now). You can make an argument that Berkeley or UCLA are "elite" in the way UT Austin is, but not, like, Riverside. Although, like with literally any college, there are certain things that each school does well. Like agriculture and veterinary medicine at UC Davis. (Although there are also 2 actual Ivies with very highly regarded veterinary medicine programs.)
This is the original list of public ivies from wikipedia.
College of William & Mary (Williamsburg, Virginia) Miami University (Oxford, Ohio) University of California (nine campuses as of 1985)[7] University of Michigan (Ann Arbor) University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill University of Texas at Austin University of Vermont (Burlington) University of Virginia (Charlottesville)
The quality of the University of California schools varies greatly (there are 10 now). You can make an argument that Berkeley or UCLA are "elite" in the way UT Austin is, but not, like, Riverside. Although, like with literally any college, there are certain things that each school does well. Like agriculture and veterinary medicine at UC Davis. (Although there are also 2 actual Ivies with very highly regarded veterinary medicine programs.)
I think that's why the list is limited to the original 9 campuses and not the new campuses, but I agree when I think UC schools that are public Ivies I think Berkeley and UCLA and maybe Davis.
This is the original list of public ivies from wikipedia.
College of William & Mary (Williamsburg, Virginia) Miami University (Oxford, Ohio) University of California (nine campuses as of 1985)[7] University of Michigan (Ann Arbor) University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill University of Texas at Austin University of Vermont (Burlington) University of Virginia (Charlottesville)
The quality of the University of California schools varies greatly (there are 10 now). You can make an argument that Berkeley or UCLA are "elite" in the way UT Austin is, but not, like, Riverside. Although, like with literally any college, there are certain things that each school does well. Like agriculture and veterinary medicine at UC Davis. (Although there are also 2 actual Ivies with very highly regarded veterinary medicine programs.)
Absolutely. And Miami U isn't even the top ranked public U in Ohio. It's far outranked by Ohio State. This list is meaningless.
I think Williams or Amherst are more elite than the “public ivies” listed. And probably offer better financial aid.
I loved my elite liberal arts education. I think it was worth every penny. I think some of the lesser institutions may close - but it’s hard to imagine the elite closing. Some of them have more in endowment dollars per student than some ivies.
I think Williams or Amherst are more elite than the “public ivies” listed. And probably offer better financial aid.
I loved my elite liberal arts education. I think it was worth every penny. I think some of the lesser institutions may close - but it’s hard to imagine the elite closing. Some of them have more in endowment dollars per student than some ivies.
I agree. Williams, Pomona, Wellesley and the like aren’t going anywhere.