MI's lockdown is now extended to April 30 and more strict than before, even though new cases are slowing, and the entire state outside of the Detroit metro area has few cases (as a % of population). May 1 we better be back to almost normal.
I am hoping for some start to norm by Mid June. We have a vacation planned for July that I hope we can do. I am trying to talk my family into changing from a hotel to a cabin. That will depend on if they open the park back up. When this started, people flooded the place. Pretty sad you cant social distance in a park.
I am praying for something to come along for treatment before a vaccine. Plus actually being able to test and the antibody test giving some relief.
I've already talked to Dh about an above ground pool of we are still restricting. I'll have to put it where my garden is supposed to be, our only flat ground. We need something for summer.
Post by librarychica on Apr 11, 2020 15:20:25 GMT -5
I’m in Florida and my best friend and I have an appointment to break social distancing to sob on one another if there’s no summer camp for July. I am planning to break in July. It’s my planned breaking point.
librarychica I think your post is why some stuff will need to relax over the summer. Most people (me included) are unwilling to continue the current state of affairs until a vaccine/treatment is developed.
I’ve already planned how to try to protect our newborn from COVID if we can send the older kids to camps and daycare this summer. Everyday when they come home they can strip down and either use our outdoor shower or jump in the pool before they come in the house
I have a few articles on reopening. It is mostly based in the healthcare field since this is why we are doing this in the first place to try to prevent their overwhelm.
When we reopen it’s going to be different. It’s not going to be full summer camp. It might be that they take less kids or stagger the kids or delay their start or not open at all. A back up nanny might be a better plan, but how do I tell them when to start?
If we base ourselves in the Chinese ( and their numbers are not accurate - no one’s is). They were locked down from Jan 27 (I think) to March but not everything was opening- it was staggered. More things are opening now still on April 10, so plan on 2 months total lockdown than very slowly gradual reopening. If we reopen and spike we only have to lock down again.
Most of the experts I’ve read about say that we need more testing before we reopen. I think that would be amazing, but given our record on testing so far, I expect that much of the country will get frustrated with sheltering in place before we have access to widespread testing/contact tracing. Hopefully I’m wrong on that and will be pleasantly surprised by our ability to test sometime in the next few months.
Post by mustardseed2007 on Apr 11, 2020 17:14:38 GMT -5
Texas is 49th in Testing according to an article I read earlier today, but the Governor is "making plans" for how we would reopen. Which still sounds like some kind of opening in phases, but our state is stupid so no one can go by us.
On the upside, our new AC is in and its amazing. We got some kind of air cleaning allergy thing on it too and the air feels cleaner. Maybe its my imagination but I'm going with it.
mustardseed2007, our governor is an idiot. But yeah, we will probably reopen before anyone else. And probably show exactly why the F you shouldn’t be reopening in the middle of a global pandemic. I’m as tired of it as anyone, but for goodness sake.
The answer is testing. The answer has always been testing. The answer will always be testing. Want to know why we are crashing the economy? Because we didn’t start testing when the WHO told us to and refused to use their already- proven tests. Wanna know why we are still having thousand of people die? Because we didn’t start testing in a sensible manner. Wanna know why we aren’t ready to stagger the opening of society? Because we aren’t testing and don’t have the ability to test. Wanna know what it’s going to take to open again? Testing.
mustardseed2007, our governor is an idiot. But yeah, we will probably reopen before anyone else. And probably show exactly why the F you shouldn’t be reopening in the middle of a global pandemic. I’m as tired of it as anyone, but for goodness sake.
The answer is testing. The answer has always been testing. The answer will always be testing. Want to know why we are crashing the economy? Because we didn’t start testing when the WHO told us to and refused to use their already- proven tests. Wanna know why we are still having thousand of people die? Because we didn’t start testing in a sensible manner. Wanna know why we aren’t ready to stagger the opening of society? Because we aren’t testing and don’t have the ability to test. Wanna know what it’s going to take to open again? Testing.
Yes. Testing testing testing. From there you can quarantine asymptomatic carriers, mild and more serious cases. They can’t spread it, and there is no need to quarantine everyone which is what we are doing because we aren’t testing nearly well enough. South Korea is doing very well with this approach (Side note their schools were on break when the pandemic hit them, and they haven’t reopened them. Being on break already might have helped them contain the virus more quickly then shutting schools down later like other countries had to).
I texted and emailed my friend in NYC, and I never heard back. We aren’t as close as we used to be, but I think he would respond to an are you OK text which leads me to believe that he is not OK. 😢
Have you guys noticed people relaxing their social distancing? People I know who were at first very hard core lock down are now doing one on one play dates and having people visit in their yard. I don't think the human population in general can do social isolation for long.
Although in my state we have drastically dropped the number of new cases per day. Maybe that's why they are relaxing. We are still in SIP status
Have you guys noticed people relaxing their social distancing? People I know who were at first very hard core lock down are now doing one on one play dates and having people visit in their yard. I don't think the human population in general can do social isolation for long.
Although in my state we have drastically dropped the number of new cases per day. Maybe that's why they are relaxing. We are still in SIP status
I've thought this for a while. We are still pretty hunkered down. I dont know how long this can realistically go on. On social media, I see a lot of get togethers, so maybe I am more strict. I also spend my days tracking cases that sometimes stem back to these gatherings and you have numerous cases tied to a get together, so I'm a bit sensitive.
xctsclrx, I’ve noticed differences on either end of the spectrum. I took the kids for a walk on a small beach near my parents’ house (no parking, so only populated with local people). Some people were walking with masks on, even outside with very few people around. I wear a mask in stores and stuff like that, but not in the open air when it’s not a congested area.
Other people - no masks, no distancing. One of my neighbors who was ADAMANT that our kids not even ride bikes together had a play date for her kids over the weekend. The kids were outside and very much together.
We are in the middle of a surge here. My large town (population 35k or so) has almost 400 cases. Several thousand in our state (population is just under 7 million, 39k cases and climbing).
xctsclrx, My parents are sucking at social distancing. Every Sunday they get together for "social distancing" with my aunt and uncle who live next door and another set of neighbors. They all "sit six feet apart" in the driveway and hang out. Although yesterday they were in someone's garage because it was too cold to be outside. No way in hell are you adhering to those rules in a garage. It's really starting to piss me off, because they keep making my brother and I feel like we're over-reacting when we refuse to come up and visit during all of this. My sister goes up to visit every weekend for "change of scenery." It's really, really aggravating. I was originally going to send my kids up for a couple days next week during spring break, but now I feel like I can't because I know that they're not following rules at all.
In our circles, I’m not seeing any relaxing, but that could be in part because I seem to hang out with a crap ton of doctors. The only get together I’ve seen is a baby shower with 4 families that are all related. Each took a “corner” in a cul de sac and set up lawn chairs.
I’m in Texas, though, where our guidelines are relaxing currently, even though there’s no testing program and zero public health ability to do contact tracing. I do agree there’s only so long that people can stay in a heightened sense of awareness. I think the same goes for isolation.
On the “parents who suck at this”, my MIL on the one hand is super-judgmental about people taking risks but on the other hand went with her friend to a stranger’s house to get a manicure and was so effing proud of herself that she sent a foot tub to the lady so the lady can also do a pedicure next time. She was also talking about asking her hair person to meet her to do her hair. I told her if she does, she’s not coming near us for a week until we know she hasn’t infected herself. At least with the mani-pedi, she and the lady both wore masks. You can’t wear a mask while your hair is cut and colored, and it takes a couple of hours. She’s decided she can hold off on her hair.
My boomer parents are also terrible about this. We have kind of been counting them as part of our household because I could tell my dad was getting lonely/depressed (my mom still works full time and he was alone all day). So we’ve been going for walks and stuff with him, but he keeps inviting us in, etc.
Over the weekend my mom had her brother and SIL over to “sit outside 6 ft apart”... except when they all went inside to hang out. My aunt and uncle’s kids are police officers, one had already been exposed and was off work in a waiting period. One officer in he department has passed away from COVID. I’m pretty sure aunt and uncle are helping with their grandkids. 🙄
I’m seeing more of a difference in strict compliance based on how long people have been locked down. We’re on week 6 over here and realizing it’s likely not going to end anytime soon - so I do think there’s more flexibility emerging in terms of interacting with other people when no one has left their house with the exception of going to the grocery stores in a mask once a week.
I grew up in Maryland so half my friends and family are there and the social media posts I see from there (they’re only on week 3 of lockdown) are more like ‘OMG if you get near even one person accidentally on the street you’re going to die’ similar to how everyone felt out here a few weeks ago.
We have best friends here who also have 3 kids. The mom has been super strict this whole time - like back in early March she was already not wanting to get the kids together outside and not touching, and has refused to let us come over and sit 10+ feet apart and talk to each other. This weekend we started talking about expanding our quarantine group to include each other if we’re all still doing this over the summer. I think part of it might be because we have a pool in our yard
When California first told everyone to wear masks a couple weeks ago everyone was doing it here, even while jogging on suburban streets with no one else on them. Now I think it’s relaxed to mostly just wearing them to stores or where you might be around other people.
For context, our town has 63k people, 34 cases, no new cases in 5 days, no deaths. Not that I think those are real numbers given lack of testing. But I definitely wouldn’t say we’re in any kind of surge.
As some of you might know I’ve been doing a lot of research to try to see when we can open things up. Originally was thinking June 1. I’m kind of thinking June 15. Keep in mind we are lumped into education, so we would be phase 2. So some places might open up June 1. That might just be opening to selected staff, work from home would still be encouraged and I’m one who can work from home better than others do despite me wanting to go in. Maybe it’s better that I don’t still go in that often. It might not mean open to the public. It might mean open but the staff lounge is closed. I feel like the bathrooms are a problem for droplet spread though.
Our boss is upset that the maintenance man is not wearing gloves and a mask. He doesn’t seem to have control over him. Meanwhile all the other places their maintenance is going in and putting up sneeze guards and moving offices for social distancing and getting things ready. My boss doesn’t really want anyone in there. I think he’s more cautious than most because he is high risk (smoker with lung issues). Our outbreak here is way higher than southern CA.
waverly our office hasn’t allowed anyone in to water plants or clean in a month. Our founder is a (usually correctly) paranoid guy. His poor exec assistant has to go in and water plants once a week. It did make me feel a lot better the one day I’ve gone in during the past month to no that no one had been there touching things.
Post by sandandsea on Apr 20, 2020 10:18:01 GMT -5
Yes I think there is a difference in adhering to the rules. Some think it’s a limitation on their freedom and think it’s all a huge overreaction still which baffles me. Others act like it’s airborne Ebola from the movie. I think most people are staying home and only going on walks/hikes/bike rides. Most in our area are wearing masks when out and about (on trails and stores).
We’ve only left home 4 times. 3 grocery trips and a hike at a regional park this weekend (that was our big adventure after 5 weeks at home). The park was letting in 15 cars per hours and we crossed paths with probably 5 families. We wore masks the whole time and took hand sanitizer with us that was reapplied a few times. We are also low risk. I see three groups loosening up - those that have had it, the freedom resistance, and those that are low risk and just don’t care at this point because they’d rather get it and hope they survive and get it over with. I’m not okay with any of those. My friends want to have a Friday driveway lunch and I think I’m skipping out on it because I know they haven’t been as strict as we are with SD.