I lived for 7 years in a 650sf condo with my ex husband (and I continued to live there after he left for another 4 years). I'll be honest and say that part of the reason he's my ex is that there wasn't enough space for us. There was nowhere to go to get away from one another (ok, there were many other things but coming home and having no choice but to be together in close quarters definitely didn't help).
I live in the city and can walk to restaurants (not amazing ones, but I can get many types of cuisine within 4 blocks) and in the before times, took public trans.
Now that wfh is going to be...probably a thing forever, my SO and I need more space. We both will need an office from home from now on. Gyms aren't a thing right now, so space for that would be ideal. And my SO composes music so we need space for that too. We're currently in a 1500sf townhouse which is ok (it's great that there are 4 floors) but we just want to go somewhere that we aren't on top of one another since we never leave the damn house, where our neighbors aren't attached to us and we can't see or hear anyone. I'm tired and old and I just want some peace and quiet. Lol. We are looking for a house and aren't looking for anything under 2000sf. And like an acre lot. I have no idea if I can take care of that, but I'm going to give it a try. I've done the tiny house thing for most of my adult life. I'm in my mid 40's and I'm over it.
As far as the article is concerned, a tiny house to me is anything under 600sf. That's tiny. Anything else is just a house.
I dream of living in a tiny house with a little patio yard, and we both look forward to downsizing when the time is right. We have 2300 square feet, 4 beds/3 baths, acre yard, for just 2 people. Even with that, my gym is outdoors because we dont have room inside for it. My H rented the house when he moved here 25 years ago and ended up buying it. I moved in when we got married 18 years ago. Even though we'd both like something smaller, we can't stomach paying today's prices for so much less. So here we are.
We have 2400 sq feet, and before COVID we barely used several of our rooms. But in COVID we're scrambling for enough spaces (dining room is the school room now, basement is my office, our former guest room is my wife's office).
We spent my kids' first 4 years in 1000 sq ft 3rd floor walk up. No dedicated parking or outdoor space bothered me a lot more than the size... but I do enjoy having a guest room and a half bath for when two people need to pee at the same time.
Post by bugandbibs on Jan 17, 2021 21:38:44 GMT -5
ML talks about how size the same way that MM does retirement savings.
The truth is that many Americans have really bought into the idea that more is better for everything. House size, clothing, car size, etc. It’s part of what drives the climate disaster. We purposely live in a 1400 sq ft house to among other things reduce our carbon footprint.
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Post by oregonpachey on Jan 17, 2021 22:02:51 GMT -5
I always chuckle when I hear that 1400 is "small".
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We lived as a family of four in a 720 sq ft home for 5 years. Was it doable? Yup. Was it fun? Nope. LOL. We did eventually move to a bigger spot outside of the city. At the time, I was WFH full time so I wanted a dedicated office. And a damn dishwasher.
Post by ellipses84 on Jan 17, 2021 22:14:14 GMT -5
Efficient layout and storage make such a huge difference in how you can live in a small house. A 1300 sf 3 or 4 bedroom / 2 bath ranch is about average in our neighborhood (and can cost 1/2-3/4 of a million $$ 😱). I won’t need a house larger than this ever. Right now we have 4 people in a 4 bedroom, 2 are WFH, there’s enough space for guests if needed. Having a garage for storage makes a huge difference though. We were definitely overcrowded in an 850 SF apartment, although it could have worked with a minimalist lifestyle. No office space or private outdoor yard space during Covid got to us. It also sucked not having a good place to store things like bikes, a vacuum, or holiday decorations. I loved living in a townhouse in the past.
I was just having this conversation with my H. We currently have just under 1600 sq ft 3bed 1.5ba. We have a family room addition that is essential to the house working for us. H wants a bigger home, I’d rather renovate here. We’re basically a Love It or Leave It episode.
We will compete with you to get on the show lol. I too am Love It and he’s List It. We are in a rowhouse with 2,000 sq ft including the finished basement, but because he grew up in a large suburban house and I grew up in a family of 6 in apartments with only one bathroom, he thinks we will outgrow it and I think he’s nuts.
This is kind of where we're at too. We need more space, but I'm pretty sure we don't need more square footage - including our finished basement, we're at about 1,800 sq ft. I'm convinced 95% of our issue is layout of the kitchen/dining/living room area. We're going to reno the kitchen within the next few years and I think we should do a small little kitchen addition.
I also think DH's office/the guest room and @@ DD's room should swap.
Sometimes I think we should just move to a place that already has a layout we like but we like our neighborhood and our yard so we're likely to stay put.
We have 2400 sq feet, and before COVID we barely used several of our rooms. But in COVID we're scrambling for enough spaces (dining room is the school room now, basement is my office, our former guest room is my wife's office).
We spent my kids' first 4 years in 1000 sq ft 3rd floor walk up. No dedicated parking or outdoor space bothered me a lot more than the size... but I do enjoy having a guest room and a half bath for when two people need to pee at the same time.
Yeah, dedicated office space can be an issue in this time of COVID. H uses our office and I'm set up with a desk in the living room. Before COVID, we rarely used the space. Now, he has to plan his espresso maker use around my meetings because open floor plan.
It's still overall more space than we need, just not normal times and space utilisation.
ETA and I want to be clear that I still think our house is plenty big and am not complaining, just pointing out that we're not in normal times for space usage.
Post by wanderingback on Jan 17, 2021 22:24:03 GMT -5
Interesting article!
I'm all about a small footprint. Currently living in a 1 bedroom apartment most of the time and when I go back to our row house that's 3 stories, plus a basement (music studio) it is very overwhelming and I love coming back to the apartment. The bed I have in the apartment has 3 large drawers on either side and they don't even have stuff in most of them, I'm definitely a less is more type person.
Since my partner is a musician and has a billion music instruments (I think something like 7 bass guitars and 13 regular guitars, etc, ugh) including a grand piano in the studio, I don't think we're even going to be able to fully live in a 2 bedroom apartment/condo like I'd prefer, but most of the space is for all of his equipment, that I've just come to know is part of the package of being with him.
Otherwise I 100% agree that many people's sense of how much space they actually need is very warped. We certainly need more creative affordable housing options that are available to people in this country.
We have 2400 sq feet, and before COVID we barely used several of our rooms. But in COVID we're scrambling for enough spaces (dining room is the school room now, basement is my office, our former guest room is my wife's office).
We spent my kids' first 4 years in 1000 sq ft 3rd floor walk up. No dedicated parking or outdoor space bothered me a lot more than the size... but I do enjoy having a guest room and a half bath for when two people need to pee at the same time.
Yeah, dedicated office space can be an issue in this time of COVID. H uses our office and I'm set up with a desk in the living room. Before COVID, we rarely used the space. Now, he has to plan his espresso maker use around my meetings because open floor plan.
It's still overall more space than we need, just not normal times and space utilisation.
ETA and I want to be clear that I still think our house is plenty big and am not complaining, just pointing out that we're not in normal times for space usage.
Yeah, it will be very interesting to see how the pandemic impacts wants and needs later on. I’m still skeptical that the vast majority of people WFH now since the pandemic began will WFH forever. Will people continue to maintain home gyms once all this large equipment people bought in the last year dies and needs to be replaced? I just don’t know. Not to mention, this is a conversation only for the wealthy, people who are able to make these kinds of choices. For so many, the “tiny house” is what they’re striving for because that’s all they might be able to afford.
It’s laughable how where I live and in the suburban neighborhood I grew up in, “affordable housing” (not officially-designated affordable housing, just houses that are supposed to be for people trying to get into the housing market) are fancy new townhouses and rowhouses. Like, stop it. So what if they’re $600,000 instead of $800,000? That doesn’t make them affordable to a majority of people. But as the OP outlined, there is no financial incentive to build smaller, run-of-the-mill houses in denser neighborhoods, and then there’s the NIMBY crowd that’s everywhere.
Curious how “open concept” has warped impressions of space and how much is perceived to be needed? Our house is over 3000 sq ft when you include the finished basement. It’s very open, though, and there’s a lot of wasted space. We basically have 2 rooms on our first floor (not including a powder room and the laundry space) because everything is so open. I know we could easily live in a smaller, better laid out home.
Our house is right under 2000sf, and even before we decided to become expats that we don't need this much space for 4. We needed it for 5, and in a year we will be 3. I'm fine with a condo or townhouse at this point in life. We just don't need all this space, stuff, or yard anymore.
We will be in a 3br furnished apartment in Dubai, but it looks like it will be between 1800-2000sf, so I have no idea what we will do with all that space.
For a slight twist on this subject, I’m fascinated by co-operative living communities where individual families might live in smallish houses, but still have access to additional communal space that is shared with other families. Some examples might be a vegetable garden patch, or a guest room that you can check out.
My big dream is getting a maybe 1200 sq foot house on a half-acre of land and building several accessory dwelling units that I rent out or give to my closest friends and family. We’d have a big shared communal garden and outdoor area. I follow several tiny house and cooperative living accounts on Instagram and there seem to be more and more people interested in this concept. Of course the big limitation. Is zoning.
I have lived in 3 houses that were ~1500 sq ft. Each of them had different layouts. The one I grew up in really had the best layout, and it was four bedrooms, plus a breakfast nook and living room. Later an attached game room was added as well so by that time 1600 sq ft of indoor space. The bedrooms were designed in a way that could hold furniture and were large enough to have personal space and there were a lot of doors.
The second one I lived in was a "mother-in-law" plan. Most of the space was an open floor plan so that only the bedrooms and bathrooms had a door. The dining room and living room had to be defined by furniture and the balance of the space was the kitchen (it was huge).
The third house I have lived in again is short on doors in that the only ones are the bedroom/bathroom. The lack of doors makes space feel much more confined. If I do ever move again I will probably try to move away from an open floor plan, I really do miss having doors to close things off.
Also, builders do not design things well. When I was looking for houses at one point, there were several houses that had bedrooms that were 8x10 which is big enough to basically put in a bed and a dresser and sidle past it. Poor house design has more to do with needing more square footage.
I'm all about a small footprint. Currently living in a 1 bedroom apartment most of the time and when I go back to our row house that's 3 stories, plus a basement (music studio) it is very overwhelming and I love coming back to the apartment. The bed I have in the apartment has 3 large drawers on either side and they don't even have stuff in most of them, I'm definitely a less is more type person.
Since my partner is a musician and has a billion music instruments (I think something like 7 bass guitars and 13 regular guitars, etc, ugh) including a grand piano in the studio, I don't think we're even going to be able to fully live in a 2 bedroom apartment/condo like I'd prefer, but most of the space is for all of his equipment, that I've just come to know is part of the package of being with him.
Otherwise I 100% agree that many people's sense of how much space they actually need is very warped. We certainly need more creative affordable housing options that are available to people in this country.
I can relate to this. We ideally wanted a 3 bedroom house, but wound up with 4 because H wfh full time (pre Covid). Honestly he could just put a desk in the basement except that his job comes with so much stuff. Flat file storage for prints, art supplies, light table, drawing table, art books, cutting boards- add in his guitars and amp and hobby stuff? He needed a room. Lol. I was like, I just need a corner to stick my peloton in and that’s it.
Post by basilosaurus on Jan 18, 2021 3:07:33 GMT -5
Reading this from about 500 sq ft 1 br. It feels so spacious to me b/c of layout. If I had a partner, I'd want a 2nd bathroom. That's really all I care about. Sharing bathrooms is not something I prefer for obvious reasons.
Post by SusanBAnthony on Jan 18, 2021 7:10:09 GMT -5
I have never loved conpletely open floor plan s, and it is a good point that they make good use of space difficult. They are good for one thing (socializing) and terrible for people needing to do seperate tasks. We have a galley eat in kitchen and I'm so grateful for the pocket doors that seperate it from the living room- as the living room is currently used for @@schooling@@. So we can all use the kitchen without interruption.
We also have a desk shoved in our bedroom for wfh and it is fine and I don't get needing all these seperate home offices because no way is everyone 100% wfh forever. We aren't buying a bigger house to have two dedicated offices.
Our house is 1600 sq ft and more than enough room. We lived in a 760 sq ft house and it was fine too (4 people in our family).
It really comes down to layout. All our well laid out houses have been mid century. Our newer house was built in 2003 and wasted a ton of space. Our super old 1900 ish farm house may have been laid out well for the time but since had things like indoor plumbing added and it wasn't laid out to handle that, haha. The bathroom was a former bedroom so it was a big waste of space. But the 40's-60's had really excellent layouts with minimal wasted space and lots of functionality that still works today.
It's interesting they mention regulations making building small homes difficult because we've been looking into the process of building a small cottage on a piece of land we own and it's impossible to find a small, simple, affordable floor plan or even just easily erect a 20x20 structure because of all the permits and bureaucratic hooplah, plus finding a builder. We're ultimately buying a pre-fab lofted barn and converting it into a livable space. Same square footage but for $10,000 compared to $40,000+ (for a weathertight unfinished building in both cases). It's wild how hard it is to legally build a cheap rectangle to sleep in the moment it's considered designed for habitation.
For a slight twist on this subject, I’m fascinated by co-operative living communities where individual families might live in smallish houses, but still have access to additional communal space that is shared with other families. Some examples might be a vegetable garden patch, or a guest room that you can check out.
My big dream is getting a maybe 1200 sq foot house on a half-acre of land and building several accessory dwelling units that I rent out or give to my closest friends and family. We’d have a big shared communal garden and outdoor area. I follow several tiny house and cooperative living accounts on Instagram and there seem to be more and more people interested in this concept. Of course the big limitation. Is zoning.
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I live a couple blocks from an urban one (so all one building, small apartments and lots of common space). It’s neat because they have a decent sized playground, garden, huge patio, large common dining room and game room, etc), but when I investigated there are lots of required community responsibilities I would not be keen on (like each family is responsible for cooking one meal for everyone a week, overseeing childcare, etc).
My family of 4 has a 1900-ish sq foot 3 bedroom/2 bath ranch over a full basement (so total of 3800 sq ft); about 3/4 of the space in the basement is finished. We use all of the space on the main floor effectively/daily, but we could easily get by with much less finished space in the basement. It's a 1968 ranch that we bought about 4 years ago.
When we lived about an hour north of Seattle, our house was a 1350 sq foot 3 bedroom/2 bath ranch with no basement. @@@ We were a family of 3 then, and did fine, but adding another kid would have made storage challenging unless we used most of the garage to store things - we always parked a car in it. If we'd had even a partial basement for storage, it would have been fine long-term.
This hits me as we are currently house hunting, and stuck because I lot of what we want comes in what we call “middle age homes for families with teenagers.” I want a garage and H wants/needs space for his tools (employment related) and workshop (hobby). So we end up looking at 4 bedroom, 2500 sq ft homes because they have a walkout basement at a garage. I feel guilty about it, but we want a middle-age house for middle-age us.
We have 1800 sq ft now, but it’s a 3-level townhouse. And I’m having issues with stairs (friggin chemo neuropathy). What we really need is a home in a 55+ community - those tend to have features we want. But we are 9 years too young.
Honestly my coworker wants to custom build a house one day. She just needs like 2 bedrooms and maybe an office, but they want 2 living spaces, a nice kitchen and dining room (she does a lot of baking) and a large garage and yard. She currently has a 4 bedroom, 2.5 bath house. @@@ She and her husband and childfree, and her mom lives with them part time for now, but maybe not always, and they'd rather have more space in living areas, less in bedrooms they don't use.
I empathize on the neuropathy part! My doctors think I might have an auto immune disorder causing light neuropathy, so I can only imagine chemo-induced neuropathy. (Though we're trying to rule out lymphoma on my side, too.)
1400sqft is tiny? That seems palatial to me! But we lived in a studio flats abroad for several years and now live in a 900sqft condo. I do wish for more space sometimes, but it works fine for now. Although I wasn't counting on COVID when we bought it so would be amazing to have an office. We do frequent closet and household item purges. Our biggest problem is storage for things like bikes and camping equipment. Our strata is building a bike locker and that will free up a lot more space in our storage locker. I can finally stop using my parents' garage! 😂
Oh, even with my husband and I both working from home full time since March, 1400 sq ft still feels palatial. We're both on different floors during the work day! My H then moved to the basement, so it's like he's not even home most of the time.
But I usually get a large outdoor wreath (real) to put on the side of the house at Christmas. This year I got a fake one, but it's MUCH larger than you would think once it's in the storage bag and taking up room!
This hits me as we are currently house hunting, and stuck because I lot of what we want comes in what we call “middle age homes for families with teenagers.” I want a garage and H wants/needs space for his tools (employment related) and workshop (hobby). So we end up looking at 4 bedroom, 2500 sq ft homes because they have a walkout basement at a garage. I feel guilty about it, but we want a middle-age house for middle-age us.
We have 1800 sq ft now, but it’s a 3-level townhouse. And I’m having issues with stairs (friggin chemo neuropathy). What we really need is a home in a 55+ community - those tend to have features we want. But we are 9 years too young.
Honestly my coworker wants to custom build a house one day. She just needs like 2 bedrooms and maybe an office, but they want 2 living spaces, a nice kitchen and dining room (she does a lot of baking) and a large garage and yard. She currently has a 4 bedroom, 2.5 bath house. @@@ She and her husband and childfree, and her mom lives with them part time for now, but maybe not always, and they'd rather have more space in living areas, less in bedrooms they don't use.
I empathize on the neuropathy part! My doctors think I might have an auto immune disorder causing light neuropathy, so I can only imagine chemo-induced neuropathy. (Though we're trying to rule out lymphoma on my side, too.)
Aside from the garage (my mom doesn’t have one) my mom’s house would suit her perfectly. It’s a 1950 cape and under 1,000 SF. Technically 4 bedrooms, but two are downstairs near the living room and kitchen. It’s just my mom and her partner. They use the bigger room upstairs as their bedroom (and it fits a king sized bed), the second upstairs room as his office and a workout room with their stationary bike and weights. Then the front, larger, downstairs bedroom is a dining room and the back downstairs room is her office (she has been a freelance designer working out of her home for over 20 years and there is no end in sight for her needing to work financially) with an extra plush futon for guests. She put a double sized doorway between the living room and kitchen, so they’re distinct rooms but open to each other and the kitchen has a huge island to allow for all of her baking and cooking. They find it absolutely perfect for their needs.
I regularly regret buying our house because of how big it is. I do like the location for where we are in life @@(close to school, kid-friendly neighborhood, close to family) but it's 1-2 bedrooms bigger than we need because we couldn't have a second kid. It's about 1900sq ft, 4 bed, 2.5 bath which isn't obscene but for only three of us with a 40lb dog it's for sure more than we need. I look at 3 bedroom houses in our neighborhood when they go up for sale and often wonder "what if".
Our house before this one was a TH but was a horrible layout for @@@once we had a kid because one bedroom was on the first floor and one was on the third floor. We made it work for 6 months but moved to this one when we could. I'd love 1300-1400 sq ft LAID OUT WELL with a nice backyard to play in. Close to shops and restaurants would be nice but it an get realllllly pricey in our area.
I don't design houses, and have no business doing so, but I think about this a lot. There is something to be said about MCM and I know some people hate the era. Some of the best home I've seen are from architects of that time. Huge focus on maximizing space and creating function.
I also think about lake cabins/cottages. Many of the original lake cabins are super small, but the focus is the outdoor space. So many of them are demo'd for bigger houses because the land is so valuable (as is in the city/inner ring).
As for me, I really liked our 1950's era 1200sq foot first home, and it worked great for H and me. We had a decent sized yard and the location was perfect for our lifestyle at the time. @@@ When we had two kids at once, things got a little more cramped real fast. Having two cribs in an 8x10 bedroom was a challenge, but we did it. Ikea was our friend. @@@ We moved to the suburb we are in now for our jobs, and while I like our house, its probably slightly bigger than we really need. It has worked out great for the pandemic though, as H and I both have places to work, I have space for my fitness equipment, etc. When we were looking for this house my list wasn't that crazy...3 bedrooms, 2 baths, 2 car garage. If I had the cash to design and build my own house, I think I could make that list a reality under 2000 sq ft.
Curious how “open concept” has warped impressions of space and how much is perceived to be needed? Our house is over 3000 sq ft when you include the finished basement. It’s very open, though, and there’s a lot of wasted space. We basically have 2 rooms on our first floor (not including a powder room and the laundry space) because everything is so open. I know we could easily live in a smaller, better laid out home.
I dislike fully open concept, and maybe this is why. Traditionally, apartments ARE open concept because that's the only choice in small spaces in order to fit everything in the living areas (and perhaps to make the space more flexible for renters, who might move often). So in larger spaces, I'm like... what's the point? There's enough room to have a walled off dining area.
Our last apartment in Los Angeles was a 1927 Spanish style duplex. It had small bedrooms (we could fit a queen, a dresser, and ONE night stand in the one we used, and a futon, night stand, and desk in the other), but it had a walk through closet so storage was okay. Tiniest bathroom I've ever had. It had a SEPARATE kitchen, with a back entrance, a living room that took up the entire front of the house and had great light and a great layout, and an absolutely massive (18 x 12?) dining room. A formal dining room! In a 2 bedroom apartment. We had our table on one side, in front of the windows, by the kitchen door, and I had my desk/office set up on the other side. So there you go. We had 2 office set ups and space for guests to stay in 700 sq ft. because of the layout.
I don't design houses, and have no business doing so, but I think about this a lot. There is something to be said about MCM and I know some people hate the era. Some of the best home I've seen are from architects of that time. Huge focus on maximizing space and creating function.
I also think about lake cabins/cottages. Many of the original lake cabins are super small, but the focus is the outdoor space. So many of them are demo'd for bigger houses because the land is so valuable (as is in the city/inner ring).
As for me, I really liked our 1950's era 1200sq foot first home, and it worked great for H and me. We had a decent sized yard and the location was perfect for our lifestyle at the time. @@@ When we had two kids at once, things got a little more cramped real fast. Having two cribs in an 8x10 bedroom was a challenge, but we did it. Ikea was our friend. @@@ We moved to the suburb we are in now for our jobs, and while I like our house, its probably slightly bigger than we really need. It has worked out great for the pandemic though, as H and I both have places to work, I have space for my fitness equipment, etc. When we were looking for this house my list wasn't that crazy...3 bedrooms, 2 baths, 2 car garage. If I had the cash to design and build my own house, I think I could make that list a reality under 2000 sq ft.
You could very easily make that a reality in under 2000 SF. It’s what my house originally was. My house is from 1926 and originally was 3 bed/1 bath upstairs with kitchen, living room, dining room, small sun room downstairs and around 1600 SF. At some point, we think in the 80s, the original owners converted the 2 car semi-attached (through a small breezeway) garage into living space. We think it was a rush job to create a first floor master as it has a full bath with walk in shower, laundry, and a big closet. We’re guessing that the original owners were in their late 80s and needed single floor living quickly.
I like that room (we use it as a family room as it’s quite large) but the original house would have been more than enough. Especially as the second owners finished the basement as well. H actually felt like it made the house almost too big to have both spaces (that changed when my brother moved in and the basement is now his).
We are in our first home still after 14 years. It has 1600 sq ft. We are definitely not the norm as all our friends are on home 3 or more now. I love our teeny mortgage and the financial freedom we have by staying here. My husband wants to move and I’ll probably give in next year as it appears my job is going permanently WFH so I’d love a dedicated office space. It will be hard to resist the 3000 sq ft homes that are the norm here but I don’t think we need that kind of space.
Don’t do it! We went from our 1400sf first home to a 3200sf “we need more space!” home. It was a terrible. So much wasted space and so much wasted time cleaning that damn thing.
We moved almost two years ago to our current home, which is 2200sf. I love it here. We have exactly the right amount of space and I love the layout. I will say though, I still wonder about renovating that first house. I think we could have done that and been very comfortable there by just adding another 500sf for an office and second living area.
You know, I hadn’t really considered how covid has changed my “what I want” in a house. We’d always looked at formal living rooms as “what would we do with that space?!” But now... what I would give for a room without a TV where I could read, iPad, etc. In a different chair tha our couch, and away from H and his constant need to have noise to drown out tinnitus. Right now, I’m at the dining room table.
msmerymac, I hope they can rule out lymphoma. Yuck!
I remember someone in another group asking if the house we're in was our starter house. It's a 1960s ranch that we finished the basement bringing our living space to 5 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, and 2 living spaces. All that for, at the time, 2 people. My mind about leaked out of my ears, because this is a ton of space. We use the basement bits only a handful of times a year.
But, it goes back to the middle class discussion. How do we tell people we've made it if we don't have a big house?
Don't get me started on the environmental waste.
Can we next talk about people who drive big cars? Really just piss everyone off. 😈