Senate votes unanimously to make DST permanent

[plutosmoon]

Considering how excited Sinema was when this passed and the fact AZ is permanent standard time, pretty sure she doesn't know the difference. It's safe to assume a lot of them just want the clock change gone.
I hate getting up when it's dark, I need sunshine to help get me going. I don't really care that the sun sets at 4pm in the winter, it's not like I'm going to be doing outdoor activities when its below zero with a windchill. With permanent DST, it will be dark when I go to work at 8:30 and nearly dark when I go home. At least with standard time I get to drive in one direction with some light. Sunrise at nearly 9 am makes me want to cry.

[macmars45]

It seems like we should do permanent standard time like AZ and Hawaii so we're all the same....

ETA: or AZ and Hawaii change to DST with us. Either way we should all be the same.

H just realized yesterday that the weekly zoom chat he set up with his parents months ago was at 2pm their time in AZ (and 1pm our time in WA state).

[heat40]

ugh, they've been after this for some time. Aside from it annoying me that Rubio gets his little stupid pet project to actually go somewhere, I'd much rather keep it at standard. Why not just leave it where it is actually supposed to be? 

I didn't even know we tried this before. Reading about what happened then, I'm not sure how people are going to all of a sudden like it now. 

[tacokick]

Mar 15, 2022 17:34:07 GMT -5 rubytue said:

Mar 15, 2022 16:30:58 GMT -5 heliocentric said:

I despise DST.
I’m fairly certain the people I know who love DST associate it with the abundance of daylight in summer and don’t understand how bad it’ll suck in the mid-Atlantic in winter.

Can you clarify? MDer here, sunset at 4:30pm in winter. If er make DST permanent (per the headline), then the sun won’t set until 5:30. I’d find that bliss!!

But, I’ve found many of the people who what to “do away with” DST really hate the time change *to* DST, not the time itself. It’s standard time that would have the sun setting at 3:30pm. 

edit - ok. I read through more of this and the other thread and I stand corrected. This is for real the first time I’ve heard people saying they want the light in the morning and don’t mind early darkness. 

I’ve never encountered any real life person who wants it darker earlier in the evenings! Only here and other places online.

I count down the days until we spring forward! Winter is rough.

[SusanBAnthony]

Mar 15, 2022 18:50:21 GMT -5 tacokick said:

Mar 15, 2022 17:34:07 GMT -5 rubytue said:

Can you clarify? MDer here, sunset at 4:30pm in winter. If er make DST permanent (per the headline), then the sun won’t set until 5:30. I’d find that bliss!!

But, I’ve found many of the people who what to “do away with” DST really hate the time change *to* DST, not the time itself. It’s standard time that would have the sun setting at 3:30pm. 

edit - ok. I read through more of this and the other thread and I stand corrected. This is for real the first time I’ve heard people saying they want the light in the morning and don’t mind early darkness. 

I’ve never encountered any real life person who wants it darker earlier in the evenings! Only here and other places online.

I count down the days until we spring forward! Winter is rough.

I never heard of this before this thread.

My brain cannot compute wanting it dark at 3:30 pm.

And I go to bed at 9 and get up at 5 so it isn't because I'm a night owl.

[UMaineTeach]

Mar 15, 2022 18:50:21 GMT -5 tacokick said:

Mar 15, 2022 17:34:07 GMT -5 rubytue said:

Can you clarify? MDer here, sunset at 4:30pm in winter. If er make DST permanent (per the headline), then the sun won’t set until 5:30. I’d find that bliss!!

But, I’ve found many of the people who what to “do away with” DST really hate the time change *to* DST, not the time itself. It’s standard time that would have the sun setting at 3:30pm. 

edit - ok. I read through more of this and the other thread and I stand corrected. This is for real the first time I’ve heard people saying they want the light in the morning and don’t mind early darkness. 

I’ve never encountered any real life person who wants it darker earlier in the evenings! Only here and other places online.

I count down the days until we spring forward! Winter is rough.

Exactly, winter is rough. I need daylight as soon as possible to get myself moving.

I vote keep standard time.

Also, this they all are agree on?

[heliocentric]

Mar 15, 2022 17:34:07 GMT -5 rubytue said:

Mar 15, 2022 16:30:58 GMT -5 heliocentric said:

I despise DST.
I’m fairly certain the people I know who love DST associate it with the abundance of daylight in summer and don’t understand how bad it’ll suck in the mid-Atlantic in winter.

Can you clarify? MDer here, sunset at 4:30pm in winter. If er make DST permanent (per the headline), then the sun won’t set until 5:30. I’d find that bliss!!

But, I’ve found many of the people who what to “do away with” DST really hate the time change *to* DST, not the time itself. It’s standard time that would have the sun setting at 3:30pm. 

edit - ok. I read through more of this and the other thread and I stand corrected. This is for real the first time I’ve heard people saying they want the light in the morning and don’t mind early darkness. 

I was thinking of people like my mom who say they "love the extra hour of daylight" as if changing the clocks magically creates more light instead of just shifting when it's light. It's still going to be dark and miserable in the winter if you live in the north regardless of whether standard or daylight saving time.

On the shortest day of the year in Baltimore (Dec. 21) there is about 9 hours and 20 minutes of daylight. If DST were in effect year round that would mean the sun wouldn't rise until 8:22am and would set at 5:46pm. 

I find it extremely difficult to wake up in the dark, so I the idea of getting up and already being at work for 20 minutes or more before the sun even comes up absolutely terrible. Yes, it gives you some extra daylight after work, but by that time I'm already awake and it doesn't make much difference. The winter days are still so short that the extra daylight after work (when I'm commuting or making dinner) doesn't really add any value to my day. I guess don't really do any activities after work that I can't do in the dark. 

As the days get longer it's automatically going to stay lighter into the evening anyway, so my preference is morning sunshine. (I have an alarm clock to simulate the sunrise because I'm miserable when I wake up in the dark and a "happy light" that I sometimes use in the winter.)

I'm too lazy to look it up, but your latitude and how far east you are in your time zone also factors into this. It's hard to find something that works for everyone. I guess I'm also annoyed that they made it sound like a unity horse issue when it's definitely not. I'd pick switching the clocks over permanent DST.

I'm a little tipsy so I hope this makes sense!

[nsl]

As someone who works in a school district where the high school start time is a brutal 7:30 am (and will not change barring an actual act of God), the thought of never seeing sunlight until midway through second period makes me want to cry.


@@@
Also, I've already seen one kid hit in a crosswalk because it was dark and the driver wasn't paying close attention; I'd rather never see that again.

[rubytue]

Mar 15, 2022 19:38:49 GMT -5 heliocentric said:

Mar 15, 2022 17:34:07 GMT -5 rubytue said:

On the shortest day of the year in Baltimore (Dec. 21) there is about 9 hours and 20 minutes of daylight. If DST were in effect year round that would mean the sun wouldn't rise until 8:22am and would set at 5:46pm. 

Ha! My work day is 9 1/2 hours (7:30-5 or 8-5:30, generally), and I’ve worked most of my career in a windowless cube or office. I guess this proves I wasn’t exaggerating when I’d complain that in December, I wouldn’t see the sun. This has been my argument for spending the winter soltice below the Tropic of Cancer for the past 10 years 😂😂

[pixy0stix]

Reminder to @ kid content

[TR]

Winter is rough either way. And who cares if it’s lighter a little later when it’s cold outside anyway? And it’s more daylight in the summer anyway too!

[dontlook]

Can we pick a time and stick with it!

I live in MN and the dark mornings suck but not quite as much as the sun setting at 3:30. Im an early riser and don’t care if it’s dark when I head out for the day if it means I can get a few minutes of light at the end of the day. It’s depressing coming home and feeling likes it’s immediately bedtime. With all that said, I’d gladly stick with non-daylight savings time if it means we just don’t change clocks at all.

[Velar Fricative]

So if the northern states have a hard time…this could really suck for Alaskans, right? I ask because I still can’t figure anything out.

[pixy0stix]

Mar 15, 2022 20:19:56 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

So if the northern states have a hard time…this could really suck for Alaskans, right? I ask because I still can’t figure anything out.

I would think Alaskans don't give a fuck because they're on the extreme end of things anyway.

[dontlook]

Mar 15, 2022 20:21:27 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Mar 15, 2022 20:19:56 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

So if the northern states have a hard time…this could really suck for Alaskans, right? I ask because I still can’t figure anything out.

I would think Alaskans don't give a fuck because they're on the extreme end of things anyway.

Everything about this exchange and this whole post is making me giggle. Thanks for the laughs tonight. I really needed them.

[devonpow]

I’m THRILLED if this happens. Arbitrarily changing the clock twice a year is so dumb and frustrating. I’m on the side of DST being permanent (I’m in Boston and it being pitch dark at 4:30 is bleak. BLEAK) but honestly don’t care which is picked. Days will be shorter in the winter no matter what.

[isabel]

So, you people talking about sunrise at 9am live where? I don’t think the sun ever rises that late in colorado regardless of standard or daylight time. That would suck though.

[pixy0stix]

Mar 15, 2022 20:30:34 GMT -5 isabel said:

So, you people talking about sunrise at 9am live where? I don’t think the sun ever rises that late in colorado regardless of standard or daylight time. That would suck though.

The northern folks (everywhere) get shorter days in the winter than we do. They also get longer summer days.

ETA: Also, 9 am is if we keep dst forever.

[rubytue]

Mar 15, 2022 17:34:07 GMT -5 rubytue said:

Mar 15, 2022 16:30:58 GMT -5 heliocentric said:

I despise DST.
I’m fairly certain the people I know who love DST associate it with the abundance of daylight in summer and don’t understand how bad it’ll suck in the mid-Atlantic in winter.

Can you clarify? MDer here, sunset at 4:30pm in winter. If er make DST permanent (per the headline), then the sun won’t set until 5:30. I’d find that bliss!!

But, I’ve found many of the people who what to “do away with” DST really hate the time change *to* DST, not the time itself. It’s standard time that would have the sun setting at 3:30pm. 

edit - ok. I read through more of this and the other thread and I stand corrected. This is for real the first time I’ve heard people saying they want the light in the morning and don’t mind early darkness. 

Quoting myself bc, GD this is confusing. So, yeah… keeping standard time all year would change nothing in the winter. It won’t make the clock say 3:30 when the sunsets, it’ll still be 3:30. There is part of me that says, DUH, Ruby. The other part says, NO ONE CAN KEEP IT STRAIGHT.

[rubytue]

Also, I’m so amused that this was done before, in 1974, and people forgot about it. Being a Gen-x, born in 1974, I’m just so amused by this.

I’ll see myself out now

[audette]

Mar 15, 2022 20:30:34 GMT -5 isabel said:

So, you people talking about sunrise at 9am live where? I don’t think the sun ever rises that late in colorado regardless of standard or daylight time. That would suck though.

*laughs in Canadian*


I don't live that far north anymore (I'm in the US now).


I wonder if Canada will follow suit, and eliminate the time changes.  Or, rather, the rest of Canada (at least one Province already skips changing times).

[Roc A Bee]

Again I’m always confused by this. I think living in the SW part of the country, I don’t really care? The sun never rises later than 7ish in DST. And it’s hot here so I’m never ready for winter to be over.

[bronxgirl]

This issue makes me think of Veep because that was Jonah's pet issue on the last season. It was much funnier on the show than in real life.

[curbsideprophet]

I would much prefer more daylight in the evening than in the morning. Going to work when it is dark and then leaving work when it is also dark is not fun.

[Patsy Baloney]

I (when on the exercise wagon) usually run in the morning. I tend to fade out in the hard days of winter because there’s no light and it’s shitty snowy/icy. This would probably make me less likely to exercise outside and more likely to hit the gym or get some home exercise equipment.

Are we sure peloton isn’t behind this? Big gym lobby?

[basilosaurus]

Mar 15, 2022 16:26:55 GMT -5 wise_rita said:

Mar 15, 2022 16:21:24 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

Is this where I admit I have no clue which one is DST and which one isn’t DST. I know "spring" forward and "fall” back but get confused when people say things like “make DST permanent."

LOL saaaame.

I will hear no complaints about DST after living nearly a decade in a place that didn't do it, which resulted in 4:30 a.m. BLAZING sunshine and 6 p.m. darkness. 

One size does not fit all, fyvm!

3am sunrise in summer and 4pm sunset in winter. It has nothing to do with them not changing their clocks but rather the whole country on the same time zone, and we were really far east. I'm now in the 5th country I've lived in that doesn't change clocks. Thankfully half of them were basically on the equator so it didn't matter.

I don't really understand why this of all things is where sides come together. It's a fucking clock. How about worrying about things like treason. Yes, I'm grumpy this morning, and it has nothing to do with my clock.

[taratru]

This whole thread is cracking me up. Well done, friends.

[wise_rita]

Mar 15, 2022 23:44:06 GMT -5 basilosaurus said:

Mar 15, 2022 16:26:55 GMT -5 wise_rita said:

LOL saaaame.

I will hear no complaints about DST after living nearly a decade in a place that didn't do it, which resulted in 4:30 a.m. BLAZING sunshine and 6 p.m. darkness. 

One size does not fit all, fyvm!

3am sunrise in summer and 4pm sunset in winter. It has nothing to do with them not changing their clocks but rather the whole country on the same time zone, and we were really far east. 

That is BEYOND unacceptable, yikes!

As someone who can relate: I'm quite perplexed by all the complaints of shifting one hour, twice per year.  I've moved 7, 9, 16 hours once or twice per year for most of my adult life and just...deal with it.  @@ even my toddler gets her shit sorted within a week.  I cannot comprehend how it takes weeks and weeks for an adult to adjust ONE hour.

I reiterate: there is not one solution for everywhere.

[aprilsails]

Mar 15, 2022 21:02:26 GMT -5 audette said:

Mar 15, 2022 20:30:34 GMT -5 isabel said:

So, you people talking about sunrise at 9am live where? I don’t think the sun ever rises that late in colorado regardless of standard or daylight time. That would suck though.

*laughs in Canadian*


I don't live that far north anymore (I'm in the US now).


I wonder if Canada will follow suit, and eliminate the time changes.  Or, rather, the rest of Canada (at least one Province already skips changing times).

Ontario has a law on the books that if NY and Quebec go to DST then we will stop switching back and forth as well. We did that about 2 years ago.

I think this is really driven by East coast cities that have naturally earlier mornings and evenings. People in the middle and western side of each time zone will see a more severe swing.

I guess this board is also full of early morning risers. I’m one as well. I prefer light in the morning when I wake up. However I’m inCanada so I’m used to waking up in the dark for much of the winter so this will make limited difference.

@@@@ I do worry about the impact on early morning student commutes. That will be rough.

[Michelle]

Mar 15, 2022 16:41:32 GMT -5 TR said:

Ok, but there are those maps that show the differences and I will find it, but it shows that the sunset differences aren't that great, but the sunrise ones are. Fuck this, fuck DST.

ETA:

this cements my preference for standard time. Thanks for sharing.