Oscars

[wawa]

Anybody surprised by winners? I need to actually watch dune. I just reread the book a few months ago.

Anybody surprised by will Smith losing the damn thread and assaulting Chris rock?

Any favorite fashion?

[wawa]

I'll come back and add embed codes to these in a minute...some favorites, least favorites and ones with commentary


I LOVE it. I hate the shoes.



I kinda hate it except Pockets!!



I love it. I don't know if I'm supposed to but I do.  *eta* she changed into loafers and socks after the red carpet.  I love it even more.



It's so SEVERE.



For all those times you don't know where to put your purse.




I think this is a little boring and expected for her at this point but it still looks so good because she's just really good at wearing clothes. Love her.



I love this. Even though I mean...wear a shirt? At the Oscars? Maybe?



The execution on this is less flawless than lil boy above but also love that he pushed it.



The winning dress on a project runway challenge where they had to shop at Party City for supplies.



I hate it. The fucking ruffle.



When you want to look like your dress was made for somebody a foot shorter than you... Why tho?



This is so freaking cute.


Giving first wife who got a lot of money in the divorce showing off at the funeral realness.

[af1212]

Chris rock not pressing charges -

www.npr.org/2022/03/28/1089115499/will-smith-slaps-chris-rock-2022-oscars-academy-awards-jada-pinkett

[fortnightlily]

I was happy to see "CODA" win the awards it did, and I hope all the Chris Rock/Will Smith stuff doesn't end up totally overshadowing those accolades.

[Vespasia]

I hated most of the women's fashion. It was either boring standard formal wear or ruffle vomit. Zendaya, Lupita Nyong'o, and Laverne Cox were the only ones I enjoyed. Kristen Stewart's worked for her but I think I would have hated it on any one else.

For the men, I loved Simu Liu and Timothée Chalamet

[neverfstop]

i am most surprised that there was no thread on CEP before this...
The Will Smith v Chris Rock thing is nuts, and I feel sorry for everybody involved. It's just bad.

[pixy0stix]

I forgot it was even on, and I read a book for most of the evening. I just got caught up to the Will Smith/Chris Rock altercation.

[sent]

Vespasia, I've never seen a red suit but that suit with Simu Liu in it is absolutely... I'm speechless.

Jaw dropping. Delicious. Mesmerizing.

I better go start my workday or else I could just stare at the picture you posted all day.

[StrawberryBlondie]

I didn't watch any, but that dress toward the bottom of the list that's blue and pink and flower-y is absolutely adorable. I love it.

[msmerymac]

Not surprised by any of the awards, really.

I liked Jessica Chastain’s dress.

I feel like for so long neutral colors were in and it was all very boring, but I’m here for the interesting colors and daring fashion choices more recently.

I wasn’t a huge fan of Halle Bailey - I thought it looked like a bathing suit and cover up - bit I liked the color at least.

I also liked KStew’s Chanel shorts.

[wawa]

Mar 28, 2022 8:40:08 GMT -5 neverfstop said:

i am most surprised that there was no thread on CEP before this...
The Will Smith v Chris Rock thing is nuts, and I feel sorry for everybody involved. It's just bad.

same!  I literally checked that my internet wasn't down and that's why I wasn't seeing a new thread.

[cattledogkisses]

Mar 28, 2022 11:42:03 GMT -5 wawa said:

Mar 28, 2022 8:40:08 GMT -5 neverfstop said:

i am most surprised that there was no thread on CEP before this...
The Will Smith v Chris Rock thing is nuts, and I feel sorry for everybody involved. It's just bad.

same!  I literally checked that my internet wasn't down and that's why I wasn't seeing a new thread.

CEP in general has kind of been on life support lately.

[wawa]

Mar 28, 2022 12:39:41 GMT -5 cattledogkisses said:

Mar 28, 2022 11:42:03 GMT -5 wawa said:

same!  I literally checked that my internet wasn't down and that's why I wasn't seeing a new thread.

CEP in general has kind of been on life support lately.

which is just as well because I can't handle the distraction of a fast moving board, but also I miss our convos.

[BlondeSpiders]

It seemed like every other man was wearing a velvet jacket. Don't get me wrong, I love a velvet jacket, but did I miss a memo on spring fashion?

[Velar Fricative]

Mar 28, 2022 12:39:41 GMT -5 cattledogkisses said:

Mar 28, 2022 11:42:03 GMT -5 wawa said:

same!  I literally checked that my internet wasn't down and that's why I wasn't seeing a new thread.

CEP in general has kind of been on life support lately.

I feel like part of that is because people think they can't start threads themselves. 

Plus, for me, I feel like there is *so much* going on, by the time I find something newsworthy to post, something else happens. 

I also didn't watch the Oscars.

[wawa]

Mar 28, 2022 13:21:40 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

Mar 28, 2022 12:39:41 GMT -5 cattledogkisses said:

CEP in general has kind of been on life support lately.

I feel like part of that is because people think they can't start threads themselves. 

Plus, for me, I feel like there is *so much* going on, by the time I find something newsworthy to post, something else happens. 

I also didn't watch the Oscars.

I never watch it.  But I do so love the fashion postmortum. 

I've realized I'm apparently feeling very "fuck the man" right now, because every single one of my favorites is a little edgy and that's not my usual.

I don't love a single straight up gowny gown except maybe Laverne Cox, but just existing as a fucking fabulous, stunningly beautiful woman in a luxe, old hollywood glam type gown while being trans right now is sorta a giant F you anyway.

[pugz]

Tracee's dress is the worst IMO. She is beautiful and that dress is so tiny and wtf worthy. Especially the boob situation.

Chastain's would have been better without the ruffle.

[mrsd2006]

I was going to start a thread but I don't know how to post a picture and I didn't want to just post a link to pics. So I did nothing to contribute lol.

[pugz]

Also looking through galleries I'm realizing how many big name actors and actresses weren't there.

[sonrisa]

Mar 28, 2022 6:47:16 GMT -5 wawa said:

I'll come back and add embed codes to these in a minute...some favorites, least favorites and ones with commentary

Going for the "most penises in the room" award.

[Velar Fricative]

wawa, the comment about Lupita's dress being a Project Runway challenge made me LOL so hard. It's true!!!

[wawa]

Mar 28, 2022 13:50:55 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

wawa , the comment about Lupita's dress being a Project Runway challenge made me LOL so hard. It's true!!!

Like, it's a WINNING challenge, but that shit looks like tinsel.  She's working it.  But still.  

it's this: 

[wawa]

re: will and jada and chris rock.
I think chris is an asshole to have made the joke. Doesn't mean he deserve to get hit. But omg Will....what a way to overshadow your own triumph. I think it was an idiotic thing for him to do (like...sir, your entire job is image. how do you lose control at the OSCARS of all damn places?), and I have a lot of eyerolls about men who feel the need to start violence because somebody hurt their wife's feelings, but I'm mostly just really sad for him. Everybody cracks sometimes and goddamn what a place to do it.

[omgzombies]

Mar 28, 2022 14:32:20 GMT -5 wawa said:

re: will and jada and chris rock.
I think chris is an asshole to have made the joke. Doesn't mean he deserve to get hit. But omg Will....what a way to overshadow your own triumph. I think it was an idiotic thing for him to do (like...sir, your entire job is image. how do you lose control at the OSCARS of all damn places?), and I have a lot of eyerolls about men who feel the need to start violence because somebody hurt their wife's feelings, but I'm mostly just really sad for him. Everybody cracks sometimes and goddamn what a place to do it.

I felt mostly the same, but I saw this response by Ally Henny, and I think it's an important lens/framework to remember.  I don't necessarily agree with her cavalier take on the assault, but I do think the "why" needs to be looked at differently:

"What a lot of y’all are absolutely **failing** to understand about the Will Smith situation is that Chris Rock could’ve **easily** gotten hit and/or cussed out by any member of Jada’s family, any one of her close, Black friends, or even by Jada herself.

A lot of y’all are looking at this from the perspective of whiteness. Y’all are using whiteness framed cultural norms, gender roles, and gender performance expectations to analyze this situation and it falls ten miles short.

Will slapping Chris Rock wasn’t a husband running to rescue a damsel in distress. Jada isn’t some poor defenseless shrinking violet that her big bold husband rushed in on his trusty steed to defend. This isn’t “both men” showing toxic masculinity.

Y’all out here forgetting, or not realizing, that most Black families are actually matriarchal and that literally *anyone* will take up for the women in their family including, but not limited to, other women. Like Chris Rock better be thankful it wasn’t Gammy (Jada mama) who ran up on him.

Additionally, the way that *I* was socialized is that you don’t let people disrespect your family in front of you. Will might’ve laughed at first for a variety of reasons. But I can guarantee that he sensed something in Jada that made him act. I’ve been with my companion for twenty years, and I can *tell* his feelings sometimes better than he can. You’re with somebody that long and you know when something is bothering them.

Maybe Will *was* acting out of a toxically masculine impulse, but it doesn’t necessarily have to be that. There’s room for nuance here.
Furthermore, I am tired of seeing women and femmes of whiteness talk about Will Smith through their lenses of patriarchy and toxic masculinity. I don’t know how, but a lot of y’all have managed to somehow make this about yourselves when it ain’t. Y’all want to cast Jada in woman of pallor terms that don’t work here.

We had a whole week of misogynoir playing in Black women’s faces and everybody saying “protect Black women” and “no one is more disrespected than Black women, poor black women.” Everybody wants to lament and fake boo-hoo about Black women being mistreated, but then when somebody makes an attempt to protect a Black woman the moment she was disrespected suddenly he didn’t do it right.

Black women *always* have to take up for ourselves. I cannot tell you the number of times I have been disrespected to my face and nobody but me saw fit to say something. It hurts to always have to be your own defender and champion all the time. I have been in so many situations where I wished someone would speak up on my behalf instead of me having to assume all the risk and weight of standing up for myself.

If Jada had stood up for herself cussed Chris Rock out, some of y’all would’ve called Will weak for just sitting there.
Finally, I’m also tired of all of the “violence isn’t the answer” takes. What Chris Rock said was violent. His words were violent on multiple levels: ableism, misogynoir, and playing in front of Dwight Mahn like that. That lil slap was the least violent part of the incident."

[sonrisa]

Mar 28, 2022 14:47:05 GMT -5 omgzombies said:

assault

Pedant moment: You mean battery. not assault. This is CA not NY. Assault is the fear of violence/being touched without permission - not the actual act. Chris definitely didn't anticipate the slap. So no assault. 

[omgzombies]

Mar 28, 2022 14:56:58 GMT -5 sonrisa said:

Mar 28, 2022 14:47:05 GMT -5 omgzombies said:

assault

Pedant moment: You mean battery. not assault. This is CA not NY. Assault is the fear of violence/being touched without permission - not the actual act. Chris definitely didn't anticipate the slap. So no assault. 

No worries, I can be pedantic too.  While assault is a legal definition, it is also just a regular verb meaning "to make a physical attack" if it were a courtroom, it might be battery, but in this case assault is a perfectly cromulent word. 

ETA:  I am now worried that my tongue in cheek response may be not be taken in the tone in which it was delivered.  It was meant in light-hearted fun.

[sent]

Mar 28, 2022 14:47:05 GMT -5 omgzombies said:

Finally, I’m also tired of all of the “violence isn’t the answer” takes. What Chris Rock said was violent. His words were violent on multiple levels: ableism, misogynoir, and playing in front of Dwight Mahn like that. That lil slap was the least violent part of the incident."

Yes this. I think the moment I really became an adult was when I realized that laws exist only for situations involving physical altercations hence all the "But Chris Rock can press charges" comments. But the use of words in inappropriate ways, like name calling or shouting, are perfectly ok forms of abuse with no laws against them and no repercussions for that kind of behavior. 

[wawa]

Mar 28, 2022 14:47:05 GMT -5 omgzombies said:

Mar 28, 2022 14:32:20 GMT -5 wawa said:

re: will and jada and chris rock.
I think chris is an asshole to have made the joke. Doesn't mean he deserve to get hit. But omg Will....what a way to overshadow your own triumph. I think it was an idiotic thing for him to do (like...sir, your entire job is image. how do you lose control at the OSCARS of all damn places?), and I have a lot of eyerolls about men who feel the need to start violence because somebody hurt their wife's feelings, but I'm mostly just really sad for him. Everybody cracks sometimes and goddamn what a place to do it.

I felt mostly the same, but I saw this response by Ally Henny, and I think it's an important lens/framework to remember.  I don't necessarily agree with her cavalier take on the assault, but I do think the "why" needs to be looked at differently:

"What a lot of y’all are absolutely **failing** to understand about the Will Smith situation is that Chris Rock could’ve **easily** gotten hit and/or cussed out by any member of Jada’s family, any one of her close, Black friends, or even by Jada herself.

A lot of y’all are looking at this from the perspective of whiteness. Y’all are using whiteness framed cultural norms, gender roles, and gender performance expectations to analyze this situation and it falls ten miles short.

Will slapping Chris Rock wasn’t a husband running to rescue a damsel in distress. Jada isn’t some poor defenseless shrinking violet that her big bold husband rushed in on his trusty steed to defend. This isn’t “both men” showing toxic masculinity.

Y’all out here forgetting, or not realizing, that most Black families are actually matriarchal and that literally *anyone* will take up for the women in their family including, but not limited to, other women. Like Chris Rock better be thankful it wasn’t Gammy (Jada mama) who ran up on him.

Additionally, the way that *I* was socialized is that you don’t let people disrespect your family in front of you. Will might’ve laughed at first for a variety of reasons. But I can guarantee that he sensed something in Jada that made him act. I’ve been with my companion for twenty years, and I can *tell* his feelings sometimes better than he can. You’re with somebody that long and you know when something is bothering them.

Maybe Will *was* acting out of a toxically masculine impulse, but it doesn’t necessarily have to be that. There’s room for nuance here.
Furthermore, I am tired of seeing women and femmes of whiteness talk about Will Smith through their lenses of patriarchy and toxic masculinity. I don’t know how, but a lot of y’all have managed to somehow make this about yourselves when it ain’t. Y’all want to cast Jada in woman of pallor terms that don’t work here.

We had a whole week of misogynoir playing in Black women’s faces and everybody saying “protect Black women” and “no one is more disrespected than Black women, poor black women.” Everybody wants to lament and fake boo-hoo about Black women being mistreated, but then when somebody makes an attempt to protect a Black woman the moment she was disrespected suddenly he didn’t do it right.

Black women *always* have to take up for ourselves. I cannot tell you the number of times I have been disrespected to my face and nobody but me saw fit to say something. It hurts to always have to be your own defender and champion all the time. I have been in so many situations where I wished someone would speak up on my behalf instead of me having to assume all the risk and weight of standing up for myself.

If Jada had stood up for herself cussed Chris Rock out, some of y’all would’ve called Will weak for just sitting there.
Finally, I’m also tired of all of the “violence isn’t the answer” takes. What Chris Rock said was violent. His words were violent on multiple levels: ableism, misogynoir, and playing in front of Dwight Mahn like that. That lil slap was the least violent part of the incident."

Yeah, I've seen some similar commentary.  I think generally starting violence because of hurt feelings is totally understandable, but rarely a good idea.  All these factors play into that understandable bit, but if it's white of me to stick to where I'm at on whether he should have done it, then...I guess that's something I'll have to sit with.  I dunno.

But to be clear, my calling it hurt feelings is not calling Jada a delicate flower or downplaying the shittiness of the "joke".  Like...literally, her feelings were hurt.  As opposed to chris rock's face being hurt. shit still hurts.

I just really wish for will's sake that he'd managed to hold it together.

Also what's funny about me being all, "violence is not the answer!" is that in the heat of the moment history has shown that I am a savage.  So.  I'd have probably fucked up my own oscars moment too if i were will.  But then I'd have regrets because logical wawa knows it's SO RARELY A GOOD IDEA.  

[Michelle]

I forgot the Oscars were on and had an early morning presentation, so i woke up to the Rock/Smith drama this morning.

And for once my reaction was the right one - "Michelle, this is not your lane. Sit back and shut up."

That is all on that subject.

As for the rest - I love Kristin in that short suit. Whooo weee hawt! Would have been cute to see her pose with Timothy Chalomet since they had similar vibes from the waist up.

I also love JPS's beautiful green gown. And I'm thankful for the follow up post about Simu, Vespasia. That man is gorgeous and pulling that suit off well.

Also - someone commented on velvet jackets. My two favorite ex boyfriend Tik Tok creators Chris and Ian_Paget previewed their outfits on their separate channels. Chris went with a red velvet Jacket. And Ian has a purple velvet that looked scrumptious but he went for a more classic tux fabric in the end. When I saw other velvet jackets I also wondered what brought that trend in.

[expectantsteelerfan]

There were so many sad boobs. I saw someone else describe the trend of Mickey Mouse Ear necklines a la the Tracey Ellis Ross dress (hers was the worst of them) and they were ALL bad and ill fitting and just sad, but there were many many more.