@ April Covid Thread

[picksthemusic]

I haven't been on this thread in a bit, but wanderingback, congratulations!

Hugs, seeyalater52, this has to be so hard for you all.

DD got a bad cold this weekend and we've been testing her every day, but all negative. DS is sniffly, but didn't get nearly the viral response DD did. We asked DD if anything was different, if she'd been hugging people, and she said, "Oh yeah, the kindergarteners on the bus keep hugging me and one was coughing." Um. Kid. Your KN95 only helps so much! Ugh. But at least it's not Covid and she probably learned her lesson, especially since most K aged kiddos might not be vaccinated. Ugh, kids.

[raangoli]

I haven't been around much so I am catching up - apologies for the belated hugs seeyalater52

And a belated congratulations wanderingback

At the tail end of March BB managed to bring home COVID. Which was a complete surprise since she was barely sick. Of course she passed it on to me, but MH managed to escape it somehow.

But the thing that sent me into a spiral was that we had finally let my mom stay with us after keeping her safe and away for 2 years. Then 2 days later BB gets her positive. Thankfully mom never caught it or if she did, was asymptomatic.

After what I went through to try to report my positive at home anti-gen test I was left feeling defeated. We're 2+ years into this and no one had an answer for me - I went through my doc's office, the local health department, and health services at work. Therefore I am 1000% sure that cases are way under reported.

[preppy]

Apr 18, 2022 20:03:51 GMT -5 lo said:

We fly home tomorrow, great.

Same we are flying home right now. We are flying from FL to RI and I would say 85% of people at the airport and on this plane are without masks. We didn’t really have another option as we had to go home but I am very uncomfortable with my kids being on this plane. We are all in kn95 and I hope it’s enough.

[mbcdefg]

Big big hugs raangoli - I hope you’re all feeling better.

[raangoli]

mbcdefg, thank you! BB was fine before I even started showing symptoms. It took me about 4-5 days to feel like an elephant wasn't sitting on my sinuses. And almost 2 weeks to get over the tiredness. Or maybe that's just my normal LOL

[seeyalater52]

Apr 21, 2022 11:08:14 GMT -5 turbo said:

www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/moderna-plans-file-eua-covid-19-shot-very-young-kids-by-april-end-2022-04-20/

Moderna to file for an EUA for young kids by the end of this month!!!!!!!!

And FDA signaling they may sit on a decision. I want to scream.

www.politico.com/news/2022/04/21/biden-kids-vaccine-covid-00026798?fbclid=IwAR1PlevIcw4ld6vqhYXObmbS3ETKF7krG3_6HR7o2uhok-hm9ojfsnMG2yM

If they bothered to ask a single expert on behavioral public health or vaccine hesitancy they would learn quickly that their approach is not doing them any favors. It’s maddening.

[noodleoo]

Apr 21, 2022 11:08:14 GMT -5 turbo said:

www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/moderna-plans-file-eua-covid-19-shot-very-young-kids-by-april-end-2022-04-20/

Moderna to file for an EUA for young kids by the end of this month!!!!!!!!

My response to any news on this is I’ll believe it when I see it. I refuse to get hopeful again! It’s maddening.

[lemoncupcake]

Apr 21, 2022 11:16:09 GMT -5 noodleoo said:

Apr 21, 2022 11:08:14 GMT -5 turbo said:

www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/moderna-plans-file-eua-covid-19-shot-very-young-kids-by-april-end-2022-04-20/

Moderna to file for an EUA for young kids by the end of this month!!!!!!!!

My response to any news on this is I’ll believe it when I see it. I refuse to get hopeful again! It’s maddening.

Yep! I’m plugging my ears and going “la la la” until the shots are at Walgreens or whatever. I’m not playing this mental game any more.

[chickadee77]

I want to be hopeful, but I'm in a mood. The US gives not one shit about the young, the elderly, or the compromised. If you can't produce, you don't matter.

I'll see myself out for now.

[lemoncupcake]

Fuuuuccckkkk

[underwaterrhymes]

Apr 22, 2022 10:44:14 GMT -5 lemoncupcake said:

Fuuuuccckkkk

I think the “trying to avoid public confusion” ship sailed many months ago. 🤦🏻‍♀️

Vaccinate. 👏 Our. 👏 Fucking. 👏 Kids. 👏

[lea]

This is frustrating. Mine turns 5 in June so I know I’ll have an option soon but if Moderna has a better efficacy rate than Pfizer did, it would be nice to have an option.

[sillygoosegirl]

Apr 22, 2022 10:44:14 GMT -5 lemoncupcake said:

Fuuuuccckkkk

Have they considered the public confusion created by them apparently thinking this vaccine isn't important? Because it sure seems like they haven't.

[lemoncupcake]

Apr 22, 2022 11:23:23 GMT -5 sillygoosegirl said:

Apr 22, 2022 10:44:14 GMT -5 lemoncupcake said:

Fuuuuccckkkk

Have they considered the public confusion created by them apparently thinking this vaccine isn't important? Because it sure seems like they haven't.

This was one of the Twitter replies - almost more infuriating

[JayTea]

[e-mail]

[fernweh]

CDC estimates that 75% of children have had covid.
The estimate was 45% in December.

www.clickondetroit.com/health/2022/04/26/cdc-estimates-3-in-4-kids-have-had-coronavirus-infections/

[Velar Fricative]

Apr 26, 2022 13:26:48 GMT -5 fernweh said:

CDC estimates that 75% of children have had covid.
The estimate was 45% in December.

www.clickondetroit.com/health/2022/04/26/cdc-estimates-3-in-4-kids-have-had-coronavirus-infections/

That is crazy. 

DD1 had asymptomatic covid in February 2021 and not since that we know of. DD2 has never had covid as far as we know, but now I'm tempted to check antibodies before she can get vaccinated in June (she'll get vaccinated no matter what, just want to be able to know that the antibodies aren't vaccine-induced).

[gretchenindisguise]

Apr 26, 2022 13:26:48 GMT -5 fernweh said:

CDC estimates that 75% of children have had covid.
The estimate was 45% in December.

www.clickondetroit.com/health/2022/04/26/cdc-estimates-3-in-4-kids-have-had-coronavirus-infections/

I wish there was a way to know if our kids have been previously infected. They’ve been vaccinated and I don’t think they have, but given that 75% number I’m curious.

[Velar Fricative]

Apr 26, 2022 13:57:11 GMT -5 gretchenindisguise said:

Apr 26, 2022 13:26:48 GMT -5 fernweh said:

CDC estimates that 75% of children have had covid.
The estimate was 45% in December.

www.clickondetroit.com/health/2022/04/26/cdc-estimates-3-in-4-kids-have-had-coronavirus-infections/

I wish there was a way to know if our kids have been previously infected. They’ve been vaccinated and I don’t think they have, but given that 75% number I’m curious.

I do think there is a way to discern between the vaccine and prior infection, but I haven't looked into it too much since it doesn't really change anything. OTOH, that number is so astoundingly high that I'm curious about DD2 now. Especially because she attended full-time Pre-K3 last year and full-time Pre-K4 this year and we all know how great 3yo and 4yo kids are at wearing masks and keeping their distance. I'm still baffled that she's never been infected, especially with it hitting someone else in the house on two separate occasions. But maybe she was.

[lo]

Why do I even bother getting my hopes up for this vaccine! At this rate DD2 is 5 next month, so ok. But my twins are only 2 :/

[karinothing]

That 75% number doesn't surprise me. I mean I mentioned before that we caught DS1's infection (and subsequently the rest of us) on a fluke. We were all asymptomatic.

[Susie]

2 yo DS attends a daycare in a federal building.  The building just recently reinstated its mask policy.  So now, per building rules, I have to put masks on DS and I at the door to pass through the lobby and security for daily drop off.  But when I get him to his classroom, he is not allowed to wear the mask while in childcare, so he must remove it.

This morning, probably confused by all the changes, he refused to take his mask off in his class.  He did yesterday too, so I just left it on.  This time the teachers told me that per NYS OCFS he actually isn't allowed to wear the mask in care, so he must take it off.  Never mind that all fall and winter, NYS OCFS required 2 year olds and up to mask full day.  

The net result today was that his teacher talked him into wearing the mask with the ear loops on his wrist like a bracelet, right by his hands, touching the mask he would put on at pickup time to everything in the classroom and touching everything in the classroom to the mask he breathed all over at drop off.  That is 100% worse than just not masking at all.

I am at a loss.  I don't blame the teachers, because what are any of us supposed to do when faced with these completely arbitrary and often conflicting rule changes.  But OMG I'm so frustrated.

We are changing daycares at the end of June, so at least we'll be out from under all the federal building specific rules on top of NYS OCFS childcare rules.  I can't wait.

[hermione]

Looks like Moderna made the under 5 ask.

www.nytimes.com/2022/04/28/us/moderna-fda-vaccine-children-under-6.html

[erbear]

Apr 27, 2022 13:56:44 GMT -5 Susie said:

2 yo DS attends a daycare in a federal building.  The building just recently reinstated its mask policy.  So now, per building rules, I have to put masks on DS and I at the door to pass through the lobby and security for daily drop off.  But when I get him to his classroom, he is not allowed to wear the mask while in childcare, so he must remove it.

This morning, probably confused by all the changes, he refused to take his mask off in his class.  He did yesterday too, so I just left it on.  This time the teachers told me that per NYS OCFS he actually isn't allowed to wear the mask in care, so he must take it off.  Never mind that all fall and winter, NYS OCFS required 2 year olds and up to mask full day.  

The net result today was that his teacher talked him into wearing the mask with the ear loops on his wrist like a bracelet, right by his hands, touching the mask he would put on at pickup time to everything in the classroom and touching everything in the classroom to the mask he breathed all over at drop off.  That is 100% worse than just not masking at all.

I am at a loss.  I don't blame the teachers, because what are any of us supposed to do when faced with these completely arbitrary and often conflicting rule changes.  But OMG I'm so frustrated.

We are changing daycares at the end of June, so at least we'll be out from under all the federal building specific rules on top of NYS OCFS childcare rules.  I can't wait.

This might be the most ridiculous covid-y thing I've ever read. 

[seeyalater52]

Apr 28, 2022 8:15:40 GMT -5 hermione said:

Looks like Moderna made the under 5 ask.

www.nytimes.com/2022/04/28/us/moderna-fda-vaccine-children-under-6.html

I’d be more excited if the submission was complete (it will be a couple of weeks before they have all the data they need to submit) and if the FDA wasn’t signaling so hard that they were going to hold review for Pfizer (and the Pfizer timeline has slipped to June, maybe late June, in the past week or so.) I admit I’m not that optimistic.

The only real new info from today is that the updated efficacy number for 6m-2y is 51% which is a little higher than reported in the March data release.

I’d be more impressed if the submission were complete today, which is already delayed from when we were told to expect it, and not just a media hook to boost stocks with their shareholder meeting today. Now we get to have yet more weeks of the FDA finger pointing that their lack of action is bc the submission isn’t complete and not because they are (nearly certainly) signaling behind the scenes that they won’t treat this urgently and they don’t think it rises to the level of EUA and some parents are vaccine hesitant and somehow delaying further is going to make them less so (?).

And y’all know I’m generally pro-government, but this is fucking ridiculous all around.

[seeyalater52]

Susie I’m beyond pissed about the mask rules you’re dealing with right now. Not ALLOWED to wear a mask seems both arbitrary and bad policy. Combined with the federal building situation it sounds really hard to navigate with a toddler.

[kath16]

why on earth would they ban mask-wearing for kids?? make it make sense???

i don't even make my kids mask anymore at school - they both had it recently, etc. but... i am strongly opposed to them being banned. wtf?

[noodleoo]

Apr 27, 2022 13:56:44 GMT -5 Susie said:

2 yo DS attends a daycare in a federal building.  The building just recently reinstated its mask policy.  So now, per building rules, I have to put masks on DS and I at the door to pass through the lobby and security for daily drop off.  But when I get him to his classroom, he is not allowed to wear the mask while in childcare, so he must remove it.

This morning, probably confused by all the changes, he refused to take his mask off in his class.  He did yesterday too, so I just left it on.  This time the teachers told me that per NYS OCFS he actually isn't allowed to wear the mask in care, so he must take it off.  Never mind that all fall and winter, NYS OCFS required 2 year olds and up to mask full day.  

The net result today was that his teacher talked him into wearing the mask with the ear loops on his wrist like a bracelet, right by his hands, touching the mask he would put on at pickup time to everything in the classroom and touching everything in the classroom to the mask he breathed all over at drop off.  That is 100% worse than just not masking at all.

I am at a loss.  I don't blame the teachers, because what are any of us supposed to do when faced with these completely arbitrary and often conflicting rule changes.  But OMG I'm so frustrated.

We are changing daycares at the end of June, so at least we'll be out from under all the federal building specific rules on top of NYS OCFS childcare rules.  I can't wait.

This daycare is insane.  The first drop-off you do at your new daycare where you don't have to deal with all this bullshit is going to be the most amazing feeling in the world!  Bring tissues, you'll probably cry from relief. 

[Susie]

I don't have a NYT subscription but I read the WaPo article on Moderna's EUA submission (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/04/28/moderna-covid-shot-young-children/)

I'm not hopeful that a decision will come any sooner than June, between the wait on Moderna's data, then time spent reviewing, and by the time they finish reviewing, Pfizer will probably be close to submitting data on their 3 dose regimen, and let's just hold a tad longer since that seems to be the theme here, and we're just going to keep citing the 75% figure on kids who have been infected already so why hurry, and ... it's starting to feel like even June is optimistic.  Which is so so frustrating to me.

ETA:  It sounds like YLE is expecting June as well:  yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/pediatric-state-of-affairs-april?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjo1MDE2MTU5NSwicG9zdF9pZCI6NTI5ODY3NjcsIl8iOiIvRUZnNSIsImlhdCI6MTY1MTE1NjExOCwiZXhwIjoxNjUxMTU5NzE4LCJpc3MiOiJwdWItMjgxMjE5Iiwic3ViIjoicG9zdC1yZWFjdGlvbiJ9.td11-GSJTC4TEY1C4RXorE-j66SVgg_SqsWPr__nH0k&s=r  

but she seems more optimistic than I was feeling!

[momof2ms]

Any word on boosters for kids 5-11? My 7 year old son hits his five month mark tomorrow.