@ Roe v. Wade thread and News

[neverfstop]

I figured we should start a new thread with all the nonsense about to go down and laws flying around.

www.nytimes.com/2022/05/19/us/oklahoma-ban-abortions.html#:~:text=The%20Oklahoma%20Legislature%20gave%20final,the%20nation's%20strictest%20abortion%20law. 

Oklahoma Legislature Passes Bill Banning Almost All Abortions

The legislation would be the nation’s strictest, and relies on lawsuits from private citizens to enforce it. If the governor signs the bill, it would take effect immediately.


It defines an unborn child as “a human fetus or embryo in any stage of gestation from fertilization until birth.” Anti-abortion groups, believing abortion to be murder, have tried unsuccessfully since the Roe decision to pass federal or state legislation defining life as beginning at fertilization. Abortion rights supporters have argued that this would effectively ban contraceptive methods that prevent implantation, such as an intrauterine device, but the Oklahoma bill specifies that it does not apply to contraception.

[neverfstop]

Same day as this news..


Nearly 200 Republicans vote against bill to ease baby formula shortage
www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/19/republicans-baby-formula/

Twelve Republicans broke ranks and joined with Democrats in backing the money.

On a separate bill, the House voted overwhelmingly to ease the burden on low-income parents by allowing the federal Women, Infants and Children (WIC) Program — a major national purchaser of formula — to source it from more foreign suppliers. The vote was 414 to 9 with all the opposition coming from Republicans.

[okla]

May 19, 2022 14:39:26 GMT -5 neverfstop said:

I figured we should start a new thread with all the nonsense about to go down and laws flying around.

www.nytimes.com/2022/05/19/us/oklahoma-ban-abortions.html#:~:text=The%20Oklahoma%20Legislature%20gave%20final,the%20nation's%20strictest%20abortion%20law. 

Oklahoma Legislature Passes Bill Banning Almost All Abortions

The legislation would be the nation’s strictest, and relies on lawsuits from private citizens to enforce it. If the governor signs the bill, it would take effect immediately.


It defines an unborn child as “a human fetus or embryo in any stage of gestation from fertilization until birth.” Anti-abortion groups, believing abortion to be murder, have tried unsuccessfully since the Roe decision to pass federal or state legislation defining life as beginning at fertilization. Abortion rights supporters have argued that this would effectively ban contraceptive methods that prevent implantation, such as an intrauterine device, but the Oklahoma bill specifies that it does not apply to contraception.

Oh, our mother fucking governor will sign it all right. I fucking hate it here.

[erbear]

May 19, 2022 14:41:10 GMT -5 neverfstop said:

Same day as this news..


Nearly 200 Republicans vote against bill to ease baby formula shortage
www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/19/republicans-baby-formula/

Twelve Republicans broke ranks and joined with Democrats in backing the money.

On a separate bill, the House voted overwhelmingly to ease the burden on low-income parents by allowing the federal Women, Infants and Children (WIC) Program — a major national purchaser of formula — to source it from more foreign suppliers. The vote was 414 to 9 with all the opposition coming from Republicans.

every time I think those fucking hypocrites can’t go any lower, they prove me wrong. HOW CAN YOU CALL YOURSELF PRO LIFE WHEN YOU VOTE AGAINST A BILL THAT LITERALLY FEEDS BABIES?!?!

[fernweh]

May 19, 2022 18:11:47 GMT -5 erbear said:

May 19, 2022 14:41:10 GMT -5 neverfstop said:

Same day as this news..


Nearly 200 Republicans vote against bill to ease baby formula shortage
www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/19/republicans-baby-formula/

Twelve Republicans broke ranks and joined with Democrats in backing the money.

On a separate bill, the House voted overwhelmingly to ease the burden on low-income parents by allowing the federal Women, Infants and Children (WIC) Program — a major national purchaser of formula — to source it from more foreign suppliers. The vote was 414 to 9 with all the opposition coming from Republicans.

every time I think those fucking hypocrites can’t go any lower, they prove me wrong. HOW CAN YOU CALL YOURSELF PRO LIFE WHEN YOU VOTE AGAINST A BILL THAT LITERALLY FEEDS BABIES?!?!

Because obviously a good mother would breast feed. Just not in public where it may offend someone (please not this is sarcasm font)

[cattledogkisses]

May 19, 2022 18:11:47 GMT -5 erbear said:

May 19, 2022 14:41:10 GMT -5 neverfstop said:

Same day as this news..


Nearly 200 Republicans vote against bill to ease baby formula shortage
www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/19/republicans-baby-formula/

Twelve Republicans broke ranks and joined with Democrats in backing the money.

On a separate bill, the House voted overwhelmingly to ease the burden on low-income parents by allowing the federal Women, Infants and Children (WIC) Program — a major national purchaser of formula — to source it from more foreign suppliers. The vote was 414 to 9 with all the opposition coming from Republicans.

every time I think those fucking hypocrites can’t go any lower, they prove me wrong. HOW CAN YOU CALL YOURSELF PRO LIFE WHEN YOU VOTE AGAINST A BILL THAT LITERALLY FEEDS BABIES?!?!

They're probably like the Boomers I see on social media saying, "I was nursed on cow's milk, corn syrup, and water, and I turned out just fine!"

I want so badly to reply to some of them, "... Did you though?"

[DarcyLongfellow]

Have these chucklefucks considered the fact that all of their "life begins at fertilization" nonsense will make many fertility treatments illegal??

[bronxgirl]

May 20, 2022 12:53:34 GMT -5 DarcyLongfellow said:

Have these chucklefucks considered the fact that all of their "life begins at fertilization" nonsense will make many fertility treatments illegal??

I'm sure they have and I'm sure they don't care. This isn't stupidity or shortsightedness- it's calculated cruelty. 

[sonrisa]

May 20, 2022 12:53:34 GMT -5 DarcyLongfellow said:

Have these chucklefucks considered the fact that all of their "life begins at fertilization" nonsense will make many fertility treatments illegal??

And a lot of birth control. I believe many are coming for Griswold right after Roe.

And yes, some of them have considered that. For them it's intentional, because they don't support either of those either. 

[neverfstop]

Kind of like this? Also, I don't understand the (lack of) logic...if you look at the demographics of who gets/needs abortions, wouldn't that, in their theoretical logic, mean more democratic voters?? Do they think only white women who vote republican get abortions & they need to force them to have babies??

talkingpointsmemo.com/news/cpac-schlapp-replacement-abortion-ban
The conservative leader’s argument directly aligns with white supremacists’ reason for joining the anti-abortion cause: To make white women produce white babies to offset the growing immigrant population.

[fernweh]

May 20, 2022 12:58:01 GMT -5 sonrisa said:

May 20, 2022 12:53:34 GMT -5 DarcyLongfellow said:

Have these chucklefucks considered the fact that all of their "life begins at fertilization" nonsense will make many fertility treatments illegal??

And a lot of birth control. I believe many are coming for Griswold right after Roe.

And yes, some of them have considered that. For them it's intentional, because they don't support either of those either. 

So basically their thought process is people who don’t want babies should be forced to have them and people who desperately want them but can’t have them shouldn’t be allowed? Not that it’s surprising but just so so dumb.

[TR]

May 20, 2022 13:06:30 GMT -5 fernweh said:

May 20, 2022 12:58:01 GMT -5 sonrisa said:

And a lot of birth control. I believe many are coming for Griswold right after Roe.

And yes, some of them have considered that. For them it's intentional, because they don't support either of those either. 

So basically their thought process is people who don’t want babies should be forced to have them and people who desperately want them but can’t have them shouldn’t be allowed? Not that it’s surprising but just so so dumb.

People should be forced to have babies SO THAT the people who want them can adopt them. 

[sonrisa]

May 20, 2022 13:06:30 GMT -5 fernweh said:

May 20, 2022 12:58:01 GMT -5 sonrisa said:

And a lot of birth control. I believe many are coming for Griswold right after Roe.

And yes, some of them have considered that. For them it's intentional, because they don't support either of those either. 

So basically their thought process is people who don’t want babies should be forced to have them and people who desperately want them but can’t have them shouldn’t be allowed? Not that it’s surprising but just so so dumb.

Women should want babies (but only within marriage to a man, and not too many if they aren't the 'right' women).

If they don't want kids, they shouldn't have sex.

If they do anyways (consensually or otherwise), they should be handmaidens who carry babies to term to be adopted by the 'right' people who want babies.

HTH.

[DarcyLongfellow]

May 20, 2022 13:06:01 GMT -5 neverfstop said:

Kind of like this? Also, I don't understand the (lack of) logic...if you look at the demographics of who gets/needs abortions, wouldn't that, in their theoretical logic, mean more democratic voters?? Do they think only white women who vote republican get abortions & they need to force them to have babies??

talkingpointsmemo.com/news/cpac-schlapp-replacement-abortion-ban
The conservative leader’s argument directly aligns with white supremacists’ reason for joining the anti-abortion cause: To make white women produce white babies to offset the growing immigrant population.

Oh no, no don't worry -- those poor and minority women forced to have babies they don't want just have to give them to rich white Republicans to raise so the babies are raised "right." /sarcasm

[fernweh]

May 20, 2022 13:10:08 GMT -5 sonrisa said:

May 20, 2022 13:06:30 GMT -5 fernweh said:

So basically their thought process is people who don’t want babies should be forced to have them and people who desperately want them but can’t have them shouldn’t be allowed? Not that it’s surprising but just so so dumb.

Women should want babies (but only within marriage to a man, and not too many if they aren't the 'right' women).

If they don't want kids, they shouldn't have sex.

If they do anyways (consensually or otherwise), they should be handmaidens who carry babies to term to be adopted by the 'right' people who want babies.

HTH.

Ahhhhh it all makes sense now!!

[neverfstop]

Just finished listening to this & it was a good reminder of all the moral and ethical ways we can look at abortion.
www.nytimes.com/2022/05/20/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-kate-greasley.html


That means ordinary voters and their representatives will be forced to grapple with the moral — even metaphysical — quandaries at the heart of the abortion debate. What does it mean to belong to the human species, and when does that belonging begin? Is there a bright line at which an egg, a blastula, or a fetus attains the status of “person”? And how do we weigh the competing interests of mothers, families, and fetuses against one another? Those questions are the foundation on top of which abortion law and policy is built.

[bugandbibs]

May 20, 2022 13:09:25 GMT -5 TR said:

May 20, 2022 13:06:30 GMT -5 fernweh said:

So basically their thought process is people who don’t want babies should be forced to have them and people who desperately want them but can’t have them shouldn’t be allowed? Not that it’s surprising but just so so dumb.

People should be forced to have babies SO THAT the people who want them can adopt them. 

BUT- how will you feed those adopted infants without formula?!!!  As someone who did adopt one of my children, I was able to do a lot of things, but spontaneously start lactating wasn't one of them.

[TR]

May 20, 2022 15:38:54 GMT -5 bugandbibs said:

May 20, 2022 13:09:25 GMT -5 TR said:

People should be forced to have babies SO THAT the people who want them can adopt them. 

BUT- how will you feed those adopted infants without formula?!!!  As someone who did adopt one of my children, I was able to do a lot of things, but spontaneously start lactating wasn't one of them.

Right?! Logic and reasoning are not the strong suit of the GOP. Maybe they're trying to bring back wet nurses?

[wanderingback]

May 19, 2022 19:03:33 GMT -5 pinkplasticdoll said:

Texas abortion funds are already seeing a major decrease in requests for funding, it was expected but I don't quite think we were prepared for the drastic decrease that has happened and now are very concerned about where people are going for procedures or what they are doing.

A lot of people are ordering pills online.

[sonrisa]

May 20, 2022 15:38:54 GMT -5 bugandbibs said:

May 20, 2022 13:09:25 GMT -5 TR said:

People should be forced to have babies SO THAT the people who want them can adopt them. 

BUT- how will you feed those adopted infants without formula?!!!  As someone who did adopt one of my children, I was able to do a lot of things, but spontaneously start lactating wasn't one of them.

You didn't keep the birth mom in your attic as a wet nurse handmaiden? 

[mrspez07]

I thought this was a fascinating look at the timing of the rise in Opposition to abortion by the evangelicals:
www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/05/10/abortion-history-right-white-evangelical-1970s-00031480

[suburbanzookeeper]

LOUISIANA SENATOR BILL CASSIDY: OUR MATERNAL DEATH RATES ARE ONLY BAD IF YOU COUNT BLACK WOMEN
“If you correct our population for race, we’re not as much of an outlier as it’d otherwise appear.”

www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/05/bill-cassidy-maternal-mortality-rates

[isabel]

May 20, 2022 20:03:51 GMT -5 suburbanzookeeper said:

LOUISIANA SENATOR BILL CASSIDY: OUR MATERNAL DEATH RATES ARE ONLY BAD IF YOU COUNT BLACK WOMEN
“If you correct our population for race, we’re not as much of an outlier as it’d otherwise appear.”

www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/05/bill-cassidy-maternal-mortality-rates

"For whatever reason, people of color have a higher incidence of maternal mortality."

FOR WHATEVER REASON.

Oh.My.God. Not saying the quiet part out loud seems to be a thing of the past. Good Lord.

[basilosaurus]

Because of this shitshow, I've learned that there's a term for using other than human milk. Dry nursing. Goat, cow, sheep.

I know I don't need to say this here, but as much as I get the frustration with no homemade formula recommendations, it's just not safe which is why they just say don't do it! But I will say this because you may have people in your life asking. Cows milk has a shitton more protein. Cows also have 4 stomachs. (I'm leaving alone the Pasteur issue because of course we should!) Your grandma making evaporated milk with karo is not ok!

[sonrisa]

May 20, 2022 20:03:51 GMT -5 suburbanzookeeper said:

If you correct our population for race

"Correcting a population for race"


That sounds a lot like genocide.

[Bad Dingo]

Suspected arson at site of Wyoming's only abortion clinic currently under construction:
khn.org/news/article/wyoming-clinic-abortion-fire-arson/?utm_campaign=KHN%3A%20Daily%20Health%20Policy%20Report&utm_medium=email&_hsmi=214365123&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-_W1SpNkujzXIa78ZwMjl9t8jzD0cpM2XbRa6f2H_tJUt868ThNu9DVIhnjTkUplNEKB7rnmWUDatZ1DS8lGHse-daGtg&utm_content=214365123&utm_source=hs_email

[glw]

I just saw this Guardian article which contains photos and found it fascinating. I admit I had no idea what 9 weeks of tissue looks like.

What a pregnancy actually looks like before 10 weeks – in pictures
www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/18/pregnancy-weeks-abortion-tissue

[wanderingback]

Oct 21, 2022 9:07:08 GMT -5 glw said:

I just saw this Guardian article which contains photos and found it fascinating. I admit I had no idea what 9 weeks of tissue looks like.

What a pregnancy actually looks like before 10 weeks – in pictures
www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/18/pregnancy-weeks-abortion-tissue

Yes it’s a good article!
There is some controversy in this article in that at 9-10 weeks pregnant if someone self manages an abortion or has a miscarriage there can be a small embryo present, so people should be aware of that. We often can’t see the embryo when we do procedures which is what this tissue is from.

But patients will often ask to see the pregnancy after procedures and most of them are shocked at what I show them. Someone recently due to the stupid "heart beat bills" (please don’t call them that) thought they were going to see a fully formed heart after their 6 week abortion. When I showed them the tissue they were in disbelief. Most of the time it’s comforting for patient’s to see their pregnancies.

[gretchenindisguise]

Oct 21, 2022 9:07:08 GMT -5 glw said:

I just saw this Guardian article which contains photos and found it fascinating. I admit I had no idea what 9 weeks of tissue looks like.

What a pregnancy actually looks like before 10 weeks – in pictures
www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/18/pregnancy-weeks-abortion-tissue

Oh I saw this on tiktok last night!