TW @ - Josh Duggar sentencing today

[momof2ms]

More noteworthy notes from the Sun again: 

The judge will recommend sex offender treatment for Josh Duggar, but Josh doesn't have to do it.

Judge Brooks wants Josh to go to the prison in Seagoville because it has a good sex offender program, but that determination depends on bed space.


The prosecution also cited Josh Duggar's past alleged molestations of minors.

"He has never received medical treatment for his addiction," Dustin Roberts said.

"He is likely to re-offend."

He argued that Duggar has "no accountability" and is not going to address his underlying issues.


Josh Duggar's lawyer said he "accepts the sentencing" and asked what would be accomplished by giving Duggar a longer sentence.

He argued that conditions will be imposed on Duggar to protect others.

"He will follow them," Duggar's lawyer argued.


Judge Brooks said that this was among the most serious of cases.

He noted that while the case did not have hands-on offense activity, crimes that involve child sexual abuse are among the most serious.

He said he couldn't get an image from one particular file of child sexual abuse material out of his head, calling it "the sickest of the sickest."


However, ultimately, Judge Brooks said the court has to consider public safety in this matter.

He said he read the statement from the mother of the child sexual abuse victim in the materials downloaded, calling it "chilling."

"It never goes away," he said, noting that victims live with that their whole lives.

[pumpkin]

I am surprised that the sentence is only 151 months given what the judge said.

[macmars45]

Only 12.5 years?! WTF!

[al dente]

I only briefly googled because I can't handle reading articles about this, but the snippet from NYT said he had two charges and each had a max sentence of 20 years. So he could've got 40 years and got a quarter of that? Or barely half if the sentences ran concurrently.
What does it take to get a max sentence? Previously when this came out the officers were saying it was some of the worst stuff they've ever seen, and the judge mentioned that above as well.

[wambam]

May 25, 2022 18:28:47 GMT -5 al dente said:

I only briefly googled because I can't handle reading articles about this, but the snippet from NYT said he had two charges and each had a max sentence of 20 years. So he could've got 40 years and got a quarter of that? Or barely half if the sentences ran concurrently.
What does it take to get a max sentence? Previously when this came out the officers were saying it was some of the worst stuff they've ever seen, and the judge mentioned that above as well.

The number of images is a factor. See previous page where the defense objections are listed.

[maudefindlay]

May 25, 2022 18:28:47 GMT -5 al dente said:

I only briefly googled because I can't handle reading articles about this, but the snippet from NYT said he had two charges and each had a max sentence of 20 years. So he could've got 40 years and got a quarter of that? Or barely half if the sentences ran concurrently.
What does it take to get a max sentence? Previously when this came out the officers were saying it was some of the worst stuff they've ever seen, and the judge mentioned that above as well.

Possession is a lesser included charge of the receiving charge, so the judge sentenced him on the more severe of the 2 which carries a max of 20 yrs. Even if sentenced on the 2 I read they run concurrently, so he wasn't truly ever up for 40 yrs.

[prettyinpearls]

May 25, 2022 19:43:07 GMT -5 pinkplasticdoll said:

He does have a 20 year probation once he is released where he can't be around children without supervision . That being said it's likely his wife and parents would be some of the supervised chaperones unless it ends up being court appointed chaperone.

I also read that he can't have a device connected to the internet unless he get specific permission from his parole officer. 

Twenty years is a long time to not screw up; I just hope he gets caught and goes back to prison (is that how it works?)

[basilosaurus]

May 25, 2022 20:17:10 GMT -5 prettyinpearls said:

May 25, 2022 19:43:07 GMT -5 pinkplasticdoll said:

He does have a 20 year probation once he is released where he can't be around children without supervision . That being said it's likely his wife and parents would be some of the supervised chaperones unless it ends up being court appointed chaperone.

I also read that he can't have a device connected to the internet unless he get specific permission from his parole officer. 

Twenty years is a long time to not screw up; I just hope he gets caught and goes back to prison (is that how it works?)

Of course he'll screw up, but how many will suffer because of it?

[biscoffcookies]

May 25, 2022 20:17:10 GMT -5 prettyinpearls said:

May 25, 2022 19:43:07 GMT -5 pinkplasticdoll said:

He does have a 20 year probation once he is released where he can't be around children without supervision . That being said it's likely his wife and parents would be some of the supervised chaperones unless it ends up being court appointed chaperone.

I also read that he can't have a device connected to the internet unless he get specific permission from his parole officer. 

Twenty years is a long time to not screw up; I just hope he gets caught and goes back to prison (is that how it works?)

When he’s out on supervised release, if he violates the terms the judge has the option to send him to prison but does not have to. Whether and how long they get sent to prison for depends on the nature of the violation (like one term is you can’t commit a crime, but if you get charged with like some small criminal traffic offense the judge may just admonish you and let you go) and the judge. Prison sentences for supervised release violations can also be for as few as 1 days, served only on weekends, etc. it’s much more flexible than the “main” sentence for the criminal offense.

[basilosaurus]

All these "rely on family and local resources" just read to me as a gigantic sweep under the rug. We already know they aided him in the coverup.

Is there anything that will charge these child abuse adjacent enablers?

[sonrisa]

It's not Josh Duggar, but it's a reminder that predators are predators. Kevin Spacey faces charges for three more victims.At least two were kids.

www.nytimes.com/2022/05/26/arts/television/kevin-spacey-sexual-assault-charges.html

[icedcoffee]

While I wish it was longer...it's a step. The kids and Anna will have 12.5 years to try to make a new life for themselves. I hope they do, but Anna is unfortunately in really deep in this cult. Their kids should have a reasonable chance of getting out though. We'll see.

[mysteriouswife]

May 26, 2022 11:09:01 GMT -5 icedcoffee said:

While I wish it was longer...it's a step. The kids and Anna will have 12.5 years to try to make a new life for themselves. I hope they do, but Anna is unfortunately in really deep in this cult. Their kids should have a reasonable chance of getting out though. We'll see.

I don’t think this is true. She will remain at the home of Jim Bob. The kids will continue to be brainwashed.

[maudefindlay]

May 26, 2022 14:26:22 GMT -5 mysteriouswife said:

May 26, 2022 11:09:01 GMT -5 icedcoffee said:

While I wish it was longer...it's a step. The kids and Anna will have 12.5 years to try to make a new life for themselves. I hope they do, but Anna is unfortunately in really deep in this cult. Their kids should have a reasonable chance of getting out though. We'll see.

I don’t think this is true. She will remain at the home of Jim Bob. The kids will continue to be brainwashed.

The youngest is an infant, then 2 year old, then a 6 yr old. The older 4 have a chance to get out, but those youngest 3 are girls and won't be gone yet. He will serve 85%, so 10 yrs 6 months and likely time served counts too. Curious on the 20 yr probation after and can't see kids unless supervised. Does it mean he can't live with Anna till kids are out of house?

[missva]

The Leaving Eden podcast has a good recap of everything today. Anna is completely out of touch with everything and thinks he's innocent. The letter she wrote to the judge confirms that. It will be very difficult for her or any of her kids to get out regardless if Josh is there or not.

[mrsslocombe]

May 26, 2022 14:57:40 GMT -5 maudefindlay said:

May 26, 2022 14:26:22 GMT -5 mysteriouswife said:

I don’t think this is true. She will remain at the home of Jim Bob. The kids will continue to be brainwashed.

The youngest is an infant, then 2 year old, then a 6 yr old. The older 4 have a chance to get out, but those youngest 3 are girls and won't be gone yet. He will serve 85%, so 10 yrs 6 months and likely time served counts too. Curious on the 20 yr probation after and can't see kids unless supervised. Does it mean he can't live with Anna till kids are out of house?

It will depend on his case manager. JD will have to present a home plan when his eligibility comes up-the case manager will have to decide to accept his home plan. In the next ten years his lawyers also have a lot of opportunity to present arguments about why he should be allowed near his kids, etc. Unfortunately he has the resources to fight it, and even if he lists his parents as his home plan, if Anna is living on property it's virtually the same thing.

[maudefindlay]

May 26, 2022 15:12:07 GMT -5 missva said:

The Leaving Eden podcast has a good recap of everything today. Anna is completely out of touch with everything and thinks he's innocent. The letter she wrote to the judge confirms that. It will be very difficult for her or any of her kids to get out regardless if Josh is there or not.

I've read Anna has been told and believes that this was all a set up by the government/Biden, so Josh is a Patriotic Hero to her.

[msmerymac]

Anna has at least one, maybe 2 siblings who are divorced, so it's not like it's verboten in her family. They're all still welcome at family events and everything. But she's not the brightest bulb in the chandelier and at this point, the Duggar influence is probably greater than her own family's.

[missva]

May 27, 2022 12:22:57 GMT -5 msmerymac said:

Anna has at least one, maybe 2 siblings who are divorced, so it's not like it's verboten in her family. They're all still welcome at family events and everything. But she's not the brightest bulb in the chandelier and at this point, the Duggar influence is probably greater than her own family's.

Anna's own father wrote a character letter asking for Mercy for Josh. I have little hope for her getting out and at this point, I've moved past feeling bad for her and no just think she's an enabler. She's been through years of religious abuse - i get it - but she sat through the trials where details of the horrific CSA material was read so she can't play dumb like Michelle obviously is. 

[maudefindlay]

May 27, 2022 12:46:29 GMT -5 missva said:

May 27, 2022 12:22:57 GMT -5 msmerymac said:

Anna has at least one, maybe 2 siblings who are divorced, so it's not like it's verboten in her family. They're all still welcome at family events and everything. But she's not the brightest bulb in the chandelier and at this point, the Duggar influence is probably greater than her own family's.

Anna's own father wrote a character letter asking for Mercy for Josh. I have little hope for her getting out and at this point, I've moved past feeling bad for her and no just think she's an enabler. She's been through years of religious abuse - i get it - but she sat through the trials where details of the horrific CSA material was read so she can't play dumb like Michelle obviously is. 

I read she left the courtroom before material details were shared.

[missva]

May 27, 2022 13:07:41 GMT -5 maudefindlay said:

May 27, 2022 12:46:29 GMT -5 missva said:

Anna's own father wrote a character letter asking for Mercy for Josh. I have little hope for her getting out and at this point, I've moved past feeling bad for her and no just think she's an enabler. She's been through years of religious abuse - i get it - but she sat through the trials where details of the horrific CSA material was read so she can't play dumb like Michelle obviously is. 

I read she left the courtroom before material details were shared.

Nope - She was there while they were described. She also apparently had a visual to the computer that showed the jury / judge some of the images. 

[aliciabella]

As someone who has represented people of the same crime, he got a good, harsh sentence. Longer than I ever expected. Honestly.

[maudefindlay]

May 27, 2022 13:28:56 GMT -5 missva said:

May 27, 2022 13:07:41 GMT -5 maudefindlay said:

I read she left the courtroom before material details were shared.

Nope - She was there while they were described. She also apparently had a visual to the computer that showed the jury / judge some of the images. 

Every article I read said she rushed out of the courtroom when evidence was shown.