Johnny Depp trial verdict

[devonpow]

Jun 3, 2022 18:47:30 GMT -5 jeaniebueller said:

Oh a YouTube star who’s been grifting her way to fame using celebrity lawsuits for a stepping stone? Yes please listen to her instead of an actual practicing lawyer like myself who works with victims of domestic violence. I’m glad she’s making Amber heard’s humiliation and harassment entertaining and funny for people /s

umm ok

Never said I was watching the gold standard. I said that’s how I watched (and it included a live stream so I watched the actual case), and she did practice for 15 years including a great deal with DV victims. She’s not my bff or anything, I don’t feel the need to defend a YouTuber, but in general for most lay people unless we were sitting in court each day watching the livestream was the best way to get info. And having someone explain why that objection for heresy was sustained and not that one and why that definition of malice was incorrect or whatever was helpful.

[sofamonkey]

Dev”s accidental use of heresy is killing me.

[pixy0stix]

I know who she is, I've watched her a few times. I found her entertaining. She definitely takes sides in the cases she presents, and her commentary reflects that.

Eta: I mention that because she is a biased source. Like an opinion article. It may have very compelling arguments, but it's still an opinion.

[StrawberryBlondie]

Jun 3, 2022 18:46:21 GMT -5 BlondeSpiders said:

Jun 1, 2022 21:19:51 GMT -5 jeaniebueller said:

He’s weaponized the court system and now his buddies like Marilyn Manson are going to do the same thing to their victims. Really scary time for DV victims. Fuck that guy, the judge and the jury and every single person who thinks that ‘Amber turd’ is the height of comedy and is using this moment as a way to gain followers.

I belong to several crafting and Etsy groups on Facebook, and the number of pro-JD designs that people are selling make me sick to my stomach.

Last weekend we were at an amusement park and I saw a woman wearing a shirt purporting to be from a "Hearsay Brewery" and I'd never heard of it and being the lawyer nerd I am I had to find out about this place.

Turns out it was not a brewery and was some kind of Johnny Depp support shirt.

I had never been so confused in my life.

[cuadrado]

Jun 3, 2022 13:52:00 GMT -5 jeaniebueller said:

>I disagree that Johnny Depp "weaponized" the judicial system by exercising his right to trial.

His use of the court system is part of the cycle of abuse and he knew exactly what he was doing when he filed this lawsuit. He promised 'total global humiliation.' He hired a PR team that did election misinformation campaigns and used social media and bots armies and influencers to spam trial coverage all over social media and TV. The cameras in the courtroom thing was a strategy and she lost the minute the judge made that ruling. To top it off, his career was on a backslide for years before AH wrote that editorial. Her editorial had nothing to do with erratic behavior on set and inconsistency. He is best buds with Marilyn Manson, who is now using the same tactic against Evan Rachel Wood. Suing her was not a noble cause for him. I'll just leave it there.

^ This.

The way he got out of his car every morning and talked to the camera person really creeped me out. It just looked like a big fake act so that everyone would see how 'charming' he is.

"We've gotta stop meeting like this, people will start talking". Bringing him a flower. Just gross. 

[papiercherri]

I’m not a Johnny fan and I was fully prepared to support Amber. I listened to most of the trial. Her testimony was, quite frankly, bananas. Her own witnesses contradicted her. She even contradicted herself. When prevented with very clear contradictions, she’d blame her legal team or witnesses. She submitted the same altered photos as evidence for incidents on different dates and the metadata had been altered so the date couldn’t be verified. There’s also evidence of her calling TMZ so she could pose with a bruise as left the courthouse, harassing Johnny after she filed the TRO against him, mocking him for not wanting to be hit, etc. There was not a single piece of evidence, audio or video, that proved her claims. This woman claimed to have extensive photos of trashed houses and bruises and she produced… nothing. Then she sat there and blamed her own legal team for why they hadn’t been submitted as evidence. Watching her trying to divert around questions was painful. She said he broke her nose several times, once it was hours before a red carpet event where photos reveal that she looks fine. Then she backtracks and says she “thought” he broke it. Then she says she went to an ENT several years later who said it had probably been broken. Does she have records on that? No. It’s no wonder the jury sided with him. Her whole testimony was basically her claiming things happened, and then backtracking or blaming someone else when presented with evidence and witnesses to the contrary.

I haven’t found a good article that breaks it all down. Many of the outlets that previously supported Amber are still trying to cover their ass by doing the whole “this is a sad day for victims” stuff. The other outlets are pro-Johnny and put him on a pedestal.

To be clear, I think they both used physical violence, but only one of them got on the stand and pretended they had never, ever done anything wrong ever, claimed to have mountains of evidence, and then blamed everyone else for why the evidence was no where to be found. I think if Amber would’ve stuck to the facts instead of trying to embellish everything to a million degrees, this would’ve went differently.

This is a sad day for women, because the face of a very real movement tried to prop herself up on the backs of actual victims, and now people are going to use that against real victims.

[jeaniebueller]

There was absolutely no evidence presented that Amber heard tipped off TMZ. The TMZ reporter did not testify who the source was. Amber denied tipping them off. For all you know, it could have been someone who worked for the court. That of course is complete speculation, and it’s also speculation that Amber tipped them off. I think a huge issue with how this story was covered in the media is that non lawyers do not know what is and isn’t evidence and the purposes of different pieces of info (hearsay or non hearsay purpose, impeachment, etc.) its caused a lot of confusion. Questions are not evidence, for example.

[papiercherri]

Jun 4, 2022 11:48:10 GMT -5 jeaniebueller said:

There was absolutely no evidence presented that Amber heard tipped off TMZ. The TMZ reporter did not testify who the source was. Amber denied tipping them off. For all you know, it could have been someone who worked for the court. That of course is complete speculation, and it’s also speculation that Amber tipped them off. I think a huge issue with how this story was covered in the media is that non lawyers do not know what is and isn’t evidence and the purposes of different pieces of info (hearsay or non hearsay purpose, impeachment, etc.) its caused a lot of confusion. Questions are not evidence, for example.

Well if you want to get technical, I suppose it wasn’t physical evidence, but rather a testimony.

The tip that came into TMZ indicated that Amber would stop and turn to camera to display her bruise. That doesn’t sound like the kind of tip a court employee would give, but okay. That, combined with Amber’s video that was sent to TMZ where they were granted copyright permission within minutes, was a pretty strong indicator that she had a direct pipeline to TMZ.

But, that’s really the least of it. The entire thing was a shit show. It’s interesting to see people pick a side based off whatever they read from random internet sources, because none of them appear to actually be representing either side accurately.