Egbert v. Boule SCOTUS ruling on 4th Amend. protections

[TamiTaylor]

www.nytimes.com/2022/06/08/us/politics/supreme-court-border-agent-excessive-force.html?smid=url-share

It was a 6-3 ruling that limits protections for citizens being able to sue federal agents (in this case Border Patrol) for excessive force and violations of their 4th amendment rights.

The actions of Boule rub me the wrong way but the thought of federal agents entering private property without warrants and then using excessive force and for citizens to have zero recourse is alarming.

[pumpkin]

Jun 9, 2022 17:50:47 GMT -5 TamiTaylor said:

The actions of Boule rub me the wrong way but the thought of federal agents entering private property without warrants and then using excessive force and for citizens to have zero recourse is alarming.

This is how I feel too and think this can have serious consequences for individuals. The lack of recourse for serious injury is definitely cause for concern and a stripping of rights.

[neverfstop]

Yes, this seems pretty fucked up but also probably the least fucked up ruling this court is going to make in the next few weeks.

Apparently they ar really behind on releasing rulings....it's going to be a crazy few weeks.

[StrawberryBlondie]

This opinion is complete and utter bullshit.

The idea that if you live in a border zone, federal agents can enter your home at any time, for any reason or no reason at all, and beat the shit out of you, and you have absolutely no recourse, is horrifying.

Something like 60% of Americans live in what is classified as a border zone. The impact of this is potentially huge.

[katfco]

Isn’t this specifically what the 4th amendment was originally about?

[NewOrleans]

Jun 10, 2022 8:57:32 GMT -5 katfco said:

Isn’t this specifically what the 4th amendment was originally about?

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[NewOrleans]

Jun 10, 2022 8:28:27 GMT -5 StrawberryBlondie said:

This opinion is complete and utter bullshit.

The idea that if you live in a border zone, federal agents can enter your home at any time, for any reason or no reason at all, and beat the shit out of you, and you have absolutely no recourse, is horrifying.

Something like 60% of Americans live in what is classified as a border zone. The impact of this is potentially huge.

I read this Vox article (NYT paywall for OP) and it helped me understand other reasons this ruling sucks. Specifically, how it chips away at the Bivens case ruling (new to me) which  the Court called a “disfavored judicial activity” (so more activist judges stuff. Funny how they don’t view themselves as activists!) And also said that this court would have ruled differently. So they’re waiting for a chance to take that one down.

I don’t get it.  Why do they WANT us to live in such a police state? Why do people agree to it?  For the same reasons they are willing to defend capitalism even as it exploits them, I guess. Also, they know at some level of their psyche it oppresses Others.

www.vox.com/platform/amp/23159672/supreme-court-egbert-boule-bivens-law-enforcement-border-patrol-immunity

[StrawberryBlondie]

Jun 10, 2022 9:45:27 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

Jun 10, 2022 8:28:27 GMT -5 StrawberryBlondie said:

This opinion is complete and utter bullshit.

The idea that if you live in a border zone, federal agents can enter your home at any time, for any reason or no reason at all, and beat the shit out of you, and you have absolutely no recourse, is horrifying.

Something like 60% of Americans live in what is classified as a border zone. The impact of this is potentially huge.

I read this Vox article (NYT paywall for OP) and it helped me understand other reasons this ruling sucks. Specifically, how it chips away at the Bivens case ruling (new to me) which  the Court called a “disfavored judicial activity” (so more activist judges stuff. Funny how they don’t view themselves as activists!) And also said that this court would have ruled differently. So they’re waiting for a chance to take that one down.

I don’t get it.  Why do they WANT us to live in such a police state? Why do people agree to it?  For the same reasons they are willing to defend capitalism even as it exploits them, I guess. Also, they know at some level of their psyche it oppresses Others.

www.vox.com/platform/amp/23159672/supreme-court-egbert-boule-bivens-law-enforcement-border-patrol-immunity

Fun fact: Chicago is considered inside the border zone.

I don't think people realize just how many people this has potential to affect. Most people think it's 100 miles from the Mexican or Canadian borders but it also includes international waters.

Literally all of Florida is a border zone.

[supertrooper1]

Jun 9, 2022 18:14:00 GMT -5 pumpkin said:

Jun 9, 2022 17:50:47 GMT -5 TamiTaylor said:

The actions of Boule rub me the wrong way but the thought of federal agents entering private property without warrants and then using excessive force and for citizens to have zero recourse is alarming.

This is how I feel too and think this can have serious consequences for individuals. The lack of recourse for serious injury is definitely cause for concern and a stripping of rights.

This happened at Boule's bed and breakfast business, so is that considered private property?  Although I'm not sure private vs. business makes a difference in this case.  

This is local to me so I've been following the case and very torn by the outcome.  Boule was just convicted by Canadian courts for trafficking people into Canada.  Yet he was also known for calling Border Patrol when he suspected someone at his B&B for illegally crossing the border.  Or was he just calling on people he didn't traffic to avoid detection for his own illegal activities?  But I also think the agent overstepped his bounds too.  

[neverfstop]

Yup, I'm seeing that this is a terrible fucking ruling.

Buckle up- I think we're going ot see a lot more shit from these fools.

[sonrisa]

I'm so fucking tired of the law coming down on the side of more violence and more brutality