DeSantis plan for colleges

[NewOrleans]

Please read the whole article.  😫  See what he calls college toward the end. 

In his efforts to remake higher education in Florida, Gov. Ron DeSantis has signed laws that alter the tenure system, remove Florida universities from commonly accepted accreditation practices, and mandate annual “viewpoint diversity surveys” from students and faculty.

DeSantis (R) also pushed through legislation he dubbed the “Stop WOKE Act” that regulates what schools, including universities, and workplaces can teach about race and identity. The legislation — which went into effect Friday — already faces a legal challenge.

DeSantis has said he wants to prevent the state’s colleges and universities from becoming “hotbeds for stale ideologies” and from developing “intellectually repressive environments.”

www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/07/01/desantis-florida-universities-laws/

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Yeah, I don’t think he realizes that messing with how FL colleges are accredited will mean that students can’t get Federal student loans or tuition assistance (ie: GI bill or federal scholarships) to attend…

[seeyalater52]

Jul 3, 2022 13:01:05 GMT -5 @villainv said:

Yeah, I don’t think he realizes that messing with how FL colleges are accredited will mean that students can’t get Federal student loans or tuition assistance (ie: GI bill or federal scholarships) to attend…

Oh I think he or his advisors probably know. It’s like with K-12 public schools - part of the point is to try to shut down the public school system by hollowing it out until it can’t function anymore.

[pugz]

fuck this fuckin dude and the people in Florida that vote for him

[NewOrleans]

Jul 3, 2022 13:01:05 GMT -5 @villainv said:

Yeah, I don’t think he realizes that messing with how FL colleges are accredited will mean that students can’t get Federal student loans or tuition assistance (ie: GI bill or federal scholarships) to attend…

He knows.  He specifically says degrees are overpriced pieces of paper. He doesn’t want people going to college. He cleared the way for hiring without degrees, licenses, and credentials.

[bronxgirl]

DeSantis is a smart guy who knows exactly what he’s doing. That’s what makes him so dangerous.

[bcv513]

Jul 3, 2022 13:27:10 GMT -5 bronxgirl said:

DeSantis is a smart guy who knows exactly what he’s doing. That’s what makes him so dangerous.

Exactly. This guy scares the shit out of me. He’s Trump but polished and hidden under a veneer of legitimacy

[Velar Fricative]

Jul 3, 2022 13:16:02 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

Jul 3, 2022 13:01:05 GMT -5 @villainv said:

Yeah, I don’t think he realizes that messing with how FL colleges are accredited will mean that students can’t get Federal student loans or tuition assistance (ie: GI bill or federal scholarships) to attend…

He knows.  He specifically says degrees are overpriced pieces of paper. He doesn’t want people going to college. He cleared the way for hiring without degrees, licenses, and credentials.

Like his Harvard and Yale degrees?

[NewOrleans]

Jul 3, 2022 13:54:20 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

Jul 3, 2022 13:16:02 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

He knows.  He specifically says degrees are overpriced pieces of paper. He doesn’t want people going to college. He cleared the way for hiring without degrees, licenses, and credentials.

Like his Harvard and Yale degrees?

Only for me and not for thee

[heat40]

He does this all the time. Announces these big plans, or proposals knowing full well they will get challenged. But he doesn’t care, because the real reason for all this is to show off his Trumpian bonafides so he’ll get more supporters. Whether it gets challenged or not, it doesn’t matter. If his stuff gets passed it’s a win, if it doesn’t it’s still a win because “he showed them!”

In the meantime, us Florida residents are left to pick up the pieces from whatever collateral damage came from his antics.

He is very dangerous, and has a very good chance of getting the 2024 nomination. I hope Dems have some sort of game plan, because we’ll need it.

[StrawberryBlondie]

Jul 3, 2022 13:16:02 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

Jul 3, 2022 13:01:05 GMT -5 @villainv said:

Yeah, I don’t think he realizes that messing with how FL colleges are accredited will mean that students can’t get Federal student loans or tuition assistance (ie: GI bill or federal scholarships) to attend…

He knows.  He specifically says degrees are overpriced pieces of paper. He doesn’t want people going to college. He cleared the way for hiring without degrees, licenses, and credentials.

Interesting considering he has degrees from Yale and Harvard...

[erbear]

That asshole went to two Ivy League colleges. As a white, cis-het, wealthy, educated man, he is as privileged as they come. Why can’t people see through this “I’m against the elite” bullshit?

[rubytue]

Jul 3, 2022 12:25:32 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

DeSantis has said he wants to prevent the state’s colleges and universities from becoming “hotbeds for stale ideologies” and from developing “intellectually repressive environments.”

www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/07/01/desantis-florida-universities-laws/

Except it’s ok if the conservative values are the one repressing anything else 🙄

[gardengal]

Jul 3, 2022 17:02:13 GMT -5 erbear said:

That asshole went to two Ivy League colleges. As a white, cis-het, wealthy, educated man, he is as privileged as they come. Why can’t people see through this “I’m against the elite” bullshit?

He definitely plays up his grandpa (? Think that’s right) immigrated from Cuba when it suits.

He was an asshole in high school; not surprised that he’s continuing to look out for himself.

[konapoppy]

Jul 3, 2022 14:10:25 GMT -5 heat40 said:

I hope Dems have some sort of game plan, because we’ll need it.

They don’t!

YWIA

[mcppalmbeach]

Jul 3, 2022 18:32:59 GMT -5 konapoppy said:

Jul 3, 2022 14:10:25 GMT -5 heat40 said:

I hope Dems have some sort of game plan, because we’ll need it.

They don’t!

YWIA

Not even a small one This election is going to be a joke. The dem candidates are milquetoast at best (including a former R governor). Scuttlebutt is that the national Dem party has basically written off Florida. When we sell our house we will hopefully be paying off prepaid college for our younger two kids. This has always felt like a big accomplishment to me. We are a middle class one income family and giving them an option for no debt college felt like such an impossibility … this news honestly just made me cry.

[heat40]

Jul 3, 2022 18:50:22 GMT -5 mcppalmbeach said:

Jul 3, 2022 18:32:59 GMT -5 konapoppy said:

They don’t!

YWIA

Not even a small one This election is going to be a joke. The dem candidates are milquetoast at best (including a former R governor). Scuttlebutt is that the national Dem party has basically written off Florida. When we sell our house we will hopefully be paying off prepaid college for our younger two kids. This has always felt like a big accomplishment to me. We are a middle class one income family and giving them an option for no debt college felt like such an impossibility … this news honestly just made me cry.

it's so frustrating. I think I've come to the same realization that the Dems have made certain calculations in their plans, and Florida is not in it. I get it, we've become more red than purple, but there used to be a fight for us as one of the biggest electoral gets. I think that's over, and the blue cities here will be the casualties. 

[cherryvalance]

Jul 3, 2022 18:32:59 GMT -5 konapoppy said:

Jul 3, 2022 14:10:25 GMT -5 heat40 said:

I hope Dems have some sort of game plan, because we’ll need it.

They don’t!

YWIA

I don't think that's entirely fair. I'm sure they have the seven different fundraising emails already drafted!

[Deleted]

Jul 3, 2022 13:16:02 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

Jul 3, 2022 13:01:05 GMT -5 @villainv said:

Yeah, I don’t think he realizes that messing with how FL colleges are accredited will mean that students can’t get Federal student loans or tuition assistance (ie: GI bill or federal scholarships) to attend…

He knows.  He specifically says degrees are overpriced pieces of paper. He doesn’t want people going to college. He cleared the way for hiring without degrees, licenses, and credentials.

But that’s a shit-ton of money from the federal government that goes to the state.

[konapoppy]

Jul 3, 2022 19:15:41 GMT -5 cherryvalance said:

Jul 3, 2022 18:32:59 GMT -5 konapoppy said:

They don’t!

YWIA

I don't think that's entirely fair. I'm sure they have the seven different fundraising emails already drafted!

😭😭😭
“We need you to vote!!”

[konapoppy]

On a related note, did anyone see this TikTok about the city of Orlando fireworks email? Apparently the city issued an apology.

www.tiktok.com/t/ZTR8Gd7jM/?k=1

[sonrisa]

pinkly something to consider

[erbear]

Jul 3, 2022 18:24:18 GMT -5 gardengal said:

Jul 3, 2022 17:02:13 GMT -5 erbear said:

That asshole went to two Ivy League colleges. As a white, cis-het, wealthy, educated man, he is as privileged as they come. Why can’t people see through this “I’m against the elite” bullshit?

He definitely plays up his grandpa (? Think that’s right) immigrated from Cuba when it suits.

He was an asshole in high school; not surprised that he’s continuing to look out for himself.

Unsurprisingly, he was also an asshole in college. You can’t change your stripes 🤷‍♀️

[basilosaurus]

Jul 3, 2022 18:50:22 GMT -5 mcppalmbeach said:

Jul 3, 2022 18:32:59 GMT -5 konapoppy said:

They don’t!

YWIA

Not even a small one This election is going to be a joke. The dem candidates are milquetoast at best (including a former R governor). Scuttlebutt is that the national Dem party has basically written off Florida. When we sell our house we will hopefully be paying off prepaid college for our younger two kids. This has always felt like a big accomplishment to me. We are a middle class one income family and giving them an option for no debt college felt like such an impossibility … this news honestly just made me cry.

Does bright futures still exist? I would not be in the least surprised if it's been decimated with deathSantis. I know a bunch of people who went to college debt free because of it which of course is anathema to these jackwads. 

[statgirl]

Jul 4, 2022 4:57:42 GMT -5 basilosaurus said:

Jul 3, 2022 18:50:22 GMT -5 mcppalmbeach said:

Not even a small one This election is going to be a joke. The dem candidates are milquetoast at best (including a former R governor). Scuttlebutt is that the national Dem party has basically written off Florida. When we sell our house we will hopefully be paying off prepaid college for our younger two kids. This has always felt like a big accomplishment to me. We are a middle class one income family and giving them an option for no debt college felt like such an impossibility … this news honestly just made me cry.

Does bright futures still exist? I would not be in the least surprised if it's been decimated with deathSantis. I know a bunch of people who went to college debt free because of it which of course is anathema to these jackwads. 

Bright Futures is still around. Test scores got raised since we were kids (I went to school for free on it) and the funding structure is slightly different, but most of the changes happened years ago. DeSantis did announce recently that working hours could count for volunteer hours as a way to reduce burden on students who have to work to help their families. Test scores are still the big barrier to entry.

[underwaterrhymes]

He’s a horrible and dangerous person.

[Gato]

Jul 3, 2022 19:34:11 GMT -5 @villainv said:

Jul 3, 2022 13:16:02 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

He knows.  He specifically says degrees are overpriced pieces of paper. He doesn’t want people going to college. He cleared the way for hiring without degrees, licenses, and credentials.

But that’s a shit-ton of money from the federal government that goes to the state.

I think heat40 has it right above.  DeSantis is probably well aware that this proposal could never lead to functioning legislation.  But Republicans don't really seem to care anymore about actual governance.  They are all about cultural warrior talk that appeals to a large swath of the electorate, and subsequently gets them elected.  Once they've gained power, they don't care what actually happens.

I just wonder how far this game goes before things start collapsing.  

[Deleted]

Jul 4, 2022 8:51:03 GMT -5 statgirl said:

Jul 4, 2022 4:57:42 GMT -5 basilosaurus said:

Does bright futures still exist? I would not be in the least surprised if it's been decimated with deathSantis. I know a bunch of people who went to college debt free because of it which of course is anathema to these jackwads. 

Bright Futures is still around. Test scores got raised since we were kids (I went to school for free on it) and the funding structure is slightly different, but most of the changes happened years ago. DeSantis did announce recently that working hours could count for volunteer hours as a way to reduce burden on students who have to work to help their families. Test scores are still the big barrier to entry.

I don’t know all of the ins and outs of the proposal, but letting kids use work instead of community service sounds like a great idea. Of course Chad is going get uncle Maximillian to give him a cushy summer job and use that instead of going to a soup kitchen….

[clairebear]

Jul 4, 2022 10:40:13 GMT -5 @villainv said:

Jul 4, 2022 8:51:03 GMT -5 statgirl said:

Bright Futures is still around. Test scores got raised since we were kids (I went to school for free on it) and the funding structure is slightly different, but most of the changes happened years ago. DeSantis did announce recently that working hours could count for volunteer hours as a way to reduce burden on students who have to work to help their families. Test scores are still the big barrier to entry.

I don’t know all of the ins and outs of the proposal, but letting kids use work instead of community service sounds like a great idea. Of course Chad is going get uncle Maximillian to give him a cushy summer job and use that instead of going to a soup kitchen….

I had 75% Bright Futures and was grateful for the help. I recently saw the new scores and I wouldn't even get anything now. But I'm glad the program is still around. And to be honest my volunteer hours were either with the school library or my youth group. Nothing I would consider legit. I just paid 59k for two Florida Prepaid 4 year university plans for my 4 and 6 year old. I really hope he doesn't wreck the university system before they get there.

[NewOrleans]

Jul 4, 2022 10:40:13 GMT -5 @villainv said:

Jul 4, 2022 8:51:03 GMT -5 statgirl said:

Bright Futures is still around. Test scores got raised since we were kids (I went to school for free on it) and the funding structure is slightly different, but most of the changes happened years ago. DeSantis did announce recently that working hours could count for volunteer hours as a way to reduce burden on students who have to work to help their families. Test scores are still the big barrier to entry.

I don’t know all of the ins and outs of the proposal, but letting kids use work instead of community service sounds like a great idea. Of course Chad is going get uncle Maximillian to give him a cushy summer job and use that instead of going to a soup kitchen….

Arguably its equitable but really the purpose is just to support capitalism rather than nonprofits who could use volunteer support.