@ Parkland shooter sentencing trial

[NewOrleans]

It is a testament to how totally screwed up everything is I did not know this was happening. 😣 He is facing the death penalty.

sat incognito with a victim’s brother, tried to get a ride with him
amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/07/22/us/nikolas-cruz-mcdonalds-victims-brother-parkland/index.html

evidence presented demonstrating his violence:attacked guards in prison, sickening internet searches and posts (surprise, he wanted to kill women), medical info on how one victim died
www.local10.com/news/local/2022/07/27/court-resumes-a-day-after-autopsies-of-parkland-victims-presented-to-jurors/?outputType=amp

[ellipses84]

I saw he Ubered to the school and the Uber driver had to testify.

[lea]

I’ve seen clips and it’s really hard. Some of the former students’ testimony. Fred Guttenberg’s been a big gun control activist since his daughter was killed and it was hard watching his reaction to the officer who was testifying about finding her body.

[suburbanzookeeper]

Bumping this - jury started deliberations yesterday and have come back with a verdict this morning.

[heat40]

I’m confused. What is the last thing the jury said “no” to? And does that mean death penalty or no?

They find that the aggravating factors do not outweigh the mitigating factors?

[sugarbear1]

Oct 13, 2022 10:01:55 GMT -5 heat40 said:

I’m confused. What is the last thing the jury said “no” to? And does that mean death penalty or no?

They find that the aggravating factors do not outweigh the mitigating factors?

Thank you for asking this. I came in with this specific question. I interpreted that to mean that they DID find mitigating factors that COULD outweigh the "proof beyond reasonable doubt." Except that earlier the jury found that the state had proven guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

[heat40]

Oct 13, 2022 10:18:28 GMT -5 sugarbear1 said:

Oct 13, 2022 10:01:55 GMT -5 heat40 said:

I’m confused. What is the last thing the jury said “no” to? And does that mean death penalty or no?

They find that the aggravating factors do not outweigh the mitigating factors?

Thank you for asking this. I came in with this specific question. I interpreted that to mean that they DID find mitigating factors that COULD outweigh the "proof beyond reasonable doubt." Except that earlier the jury found that the state had proven guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Yea. Twitter was slow to react. I’m seeing it means, as of now, they’re recommending life without parole. Which makes me feel bad for the parents who are visibly upset. Regardless of one’s views on the death penalty.

[underwaterrhymes]

I’m against the death penalty.

But I would not have shed any tears if this MFr had gotten it and my heart aches for the parents and other family members who were hoping for a different outcome.

[karinothing]

I heard he pled guilty so I was kind of surprised the DP was on the table at all. I guess I would have assumed he pled guilty to avoid that.

[Patsy Baloney]

No sentence is enough, nor could ever be.

[aliciabella]

Oct 13, 2022 10:18:28 GMT -5 sugarbear1 said:

Oct 13, 2022 10:01:55 GMT -5 heat40 said:

I’m confused. What is the last thing the jury said “no” to? And does that mean death penalty or no?

They find that the aggravating factors do not outweigh the mitigating factors?

Thank you for asking this. I came in with this specific question. I interpreted that to mean that they DID find mitigating factors that COULD outweigh the "proof beyond reasonable doubt." Except that earlier the jury found that the state had proven guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

He pled guilty and this was the sentencing part. The jury found mitigating factors to vote in a majority for life. I agreed with it personally and per one jury stated the government failed him and they did.

[MixedBerryJam]

Oct 16, 2022 8:00:19 GMT -5 aliciabella said:

Oct 13, 2022 10:18:28 GMT -5 sugarbear1 said:

Thank you for asking this. I came in with this specific question. I interpreted that to mean that they DID find mitigating factors that COULD outweigh the "proof beyond reasonable doubt." Except that earlier the jury found that the state had proven guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

He pled guilty and this was the sentencing part. The jury found mitigating factors to vote in a majority for life. I agreed with it personally and per one jury stated the government failed him and they did.

One minor or not so minor correction: the majority of the jury did not vote for life in prison; the DP recommendation had to have been unanimous and I believe 3 jurors found that the mitigating factors outweighed the aggravating factors that, if it had been unanimous, would have justified the DP. (ETA to clarify that I think this is the right outcome.)

[aliciabella]

Oct 16, 2022 11:43:12 GMT -5 MixedBerryJam said:

Oct 16, 2022 8:00:19 GMT -5 aliciabella said:

He pled guilty and this was the sentencing part. The jury found mitigating factors to vote in a majority for life. I agreed with it personally and per one jury stated the government failed him and they did.

One minor or not so minor correction: the majority of the jury did not vote for life in prison; the DP recommendation had to have been unanimous and I believe 3 jurors found that the mitigating factors outweighed the aggravating factors that, if it had been unanimous, would have justified the DP. (ETA to clarify that I think this is the right outcome.)

Thank you for correcting me, I wrote that incorrectly.It does not need to be unanimous or a majority and it always weighs in the favor of the least restrictive sentence. Hence, why he was given life by 3 individuals on the jury.

[MixedBerryJam]

Oct 16, 2022 11:51:24 GMT -5 aliciabella said:

Oct 16, 2022 11:43:12 GMT -5 MixedBerryJam said:

One minor or not so minor correction: the majority of the jury did not vote for life in prison; the DP recommendation had to have been unanimous and I believe 3 jurors found that the mitigating factors outweighed the aggravating factors that, if it had been unanimous, would have justified the DP. (ETA to clarify that I think this is the right outcome.)

Thank you for correcting me, I wrote that incorrectly.It does not need to be unanimous or a majority and it always weighs in the favor of the least restrictive sentence. Hence, why he was given life by 3 individuals on the jury.

Ah then please allow me to apologize humbly for my incorrect correction! I thought the jury rec of the death penalty did have to be unanimous. “Default to least restrictive” it’s nice and clear. Thank you!

[sugarbear1]

Thank you, aliciabella and MixedBerryJam for the further clarification. Makes sense to me (default to least restrictive) and I agree that it is the best outcome.

[aliciabella]

If you have not seen this yet, you need to.

youtu.be/ailncs5c6nU

As a public defender, like these individuals are, it embarrasses me with this awful behavior. The fucking PD gave the finger to the judge. It blows my mind because the actual public defender sat there trying to defend their actions. I hope all their licenses are taken away as it is disgusting.