Greenland ice sheet set to raise sea levels by nearly a foot

[pixy0stix]

Greenland ice sheet set to raise sea levels by nearly a foot, study finds - wapo.st/3CJIaLE (gift link)

Human-driven climate change has set in motion massive ice losses in Greenland that couldn’t be halted even if the world stopped emitting greenhouse gases today, according to a new study published Monday.

The findings in Nature Climate Change project that it is now inevitable that 3.3 percent of the Greenland ice sheet will melt — equal to 110 trillion tons of ice, the researchers said. That will trigger nearly a foot of global sea-level rise.

The predictions are more dire than other forecasts, though they use different assumptions. While the study did not specify a time frame for the melting and sea-level rise, the authors suggested much of it can play out between now and the year 2100.

Keep in mind, this doesn't factor in Antarctica or other areas of the Arctic melting.

[msmerymac]

Cool cool.

This is fine. Nothing to worry about here.

[rubytue]

This is so literally the guy sitting at the table while the whole house burns meme.

[Jalapeñomel]

Aug 29, 2022 15:53:36 GMT -5 msmerymac said:

Cool cool.

This is fine. Nothing to worry about here.

My sentiments exactly.

[Patsy Baloney]

And we’re worried about running extension cords through windows. Yeesh.

[krystee]

This stuff is what gives me my permanent sense of existential dread. It mentioned floods increasing tenfold. I assume that means coastal areas would be hit so frequently that it would become impossible to keep rebuilding (and no one would insure)…but it didn’t really get into how far inland would be impacted. I want to Google, but I also don’t want to know. Sob.

[pixy0stix]

Aug 29, 2022 17:31:49 GMT -5 krystee said:

This stuff is what gives me my permanent sense of existential dread. It mentioned floods increasing tenfold. I assume that means coastal areas would be hit so frequently that it would become impossible to keep rebuilding (and no one would insure)…but it didn’t really get into how far inland would be impacted. I want to Google, but I also don’t want to know. Sob.

If you ever do want to know - coast.noaa.gov/digitalcoast/tools/slr.html

It's an interactive map that goes up to 10 ft in sea level rise.

[notreal]

This is dire and depressing but when even people who should know better act like asking you to turn your thermostat to 78 in the summer is the worst thing you could ask them to do,as an example,no one cares enough to do anything about it even if we could.

[pixy0stix]

Aug 29, 2022 17:53:52 GMT -5 notreal said:

This is dire and depressing but when even people who should know better act like asking you to turn your thermostat to 78 in the summer is the worst thing you could ask them to do,as an example,no one cares enough to do anything about it even if we could.

Can you imagine what a thread would look like if a state mandated that everyone set their thermostats to 78?

[savan]

Aug 29, 2022 17:51:40 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Aug 29, 2022 17:31:49 GMT -5 krystee said:

This stuff is what gives me my permanent sense of existential dread. It mentioned floods increasing tenfold. I assume that means coastal areas would be hit so frequently that it would become impossible to keep rebuilding (and no one would insure)…but it didn’t really get into how far inland would be impacted. I want to Google, but I also don’t want to know. Sob.

If you ever do want to know - coast.noaa.gov/digitalcoast/tools/slr.html

It's an interactive map that goes up to 10 ft in sea level rise.

Shit.  As someone who lives within 5 miles of the coast that is super depressing.  It looks like a  10ft rise would go right up to my doorstep, but most of my town would be underwater so it wouldn’t matter anyway.

[gretchenindisguise]

I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately. We live in coastal San Diego and my parents camphost at our local beach campground several months out of the year. The erosion and how high the high tide is lately is noticeable over the past 10 years. A campsite was lost a few weeks back to beach erosion. I’m pretty sure the site my parents hse will be gone in 5 years.

We still rent and I get such huge cognitive dissonance between saving to buy and thinking about climate change and how habitable it will be in 15-30-40 years. Part of owning a home is growing wealth, but will it actually be worth something when we die?

[aurora]

My immediate glib reaction is "time to buy more mile-high property!"

But of course changes like this will cause problems far beyond the coasts.

[Velar Fricative]

Aug 29, 2022 17:51:40 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Aug 29, 2022 17:31:49 GMT -5 krystee said:

This stuff is what gives me my permanent sense of existential dread. It mentioned floods increasing tenfold. I assume that means coastal areas would be hit so frequently that it would become impossible to keep rebuilding (and no one would insure)…but it didn’t really get into how far inland would be impacted. I want to Google, but I also don’t want to know. Sob.

If you ever do want to know - coast.noaa.gov/digitalcoast/tools/slr.html

It's an interactive map that goes up to 10 ft in sea level rise.

I expected all of NYC to be underwater with a 10 ft rise so I was pretty shocked it wouldn’t be. Of course, the areas that would be underwater are the areas devastated by Sandy 10 years ago and now memories have been erased and developers are building new homes in those neighborhoods…

[Velar Fricative]

Aug 29, 2022 19:30:16 GMT -5 gretchenindisguise said:

I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately. We live in coastal San Diego and my parents camphost at our local beach campground several months out of the year. The erosion and how high the high tide is lately is noticeable over the past 10 years. A campsite was lost a few weeks back to beach erosion. I’m pretty sure the site my parents hse will be gone in 5 years.

We still rent and I get such huge cognitive dissonance between saving to buy and thinking about climate change and how habitable it will be in 15-30-40 years. Part of owning a home is growing wealth, but will it actually be worth something when we die?

This is why I want to stay put where we are in case we have to cut our (smaller) losses and run during a climate disaster - we paid for a place to live, not to build wealth.

[wawa]

Aug 29, 2022 17:59:30 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Aug 29, 2022 17:53:52 GMT -5 notreal said:

This is dire and depressing but when even people who should know better act like asking you to turn your thermostat to 78 in the summer is the worst thing you could ask them to do,as an example,no one cares enough to do anything about it even if we could.

Can you imagine what a thread would look like if a state mandated that everyone set their thermostats to 78?

oh my sweet fluffy bunnies.  
everybody would suddenly go from somebody who doesn't like sweating and prefers to be cool when they sleep to somebody with a documented medical reason why sweating might kill them

[mskitkat]

Aug 30, 2022 10:06:58 GMT -5 wawa said:

Aug 29, 2022 17:59:30 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Can you imagine what a thread would look like if a state mandated that everyone set their thermostats to 78?

oh my sweet fluffy bunnies.  
everybody would suddenly go from somebody who doesn't like sweating and prefers to be cool when they sleep to somebody with a documented medical reason why sweating might kill them

As someone with an actual documented medical reason ( 😜) Soma Cool Nights pajamas for everyone.

[Patsy Baloney]

I will say, as someone who saw the 78 degree thermostat discussion play out and chose to change our settings because of it, our household saved $50 in utilities for the month of August (July read) this year. That’s usually our “time to donate plasma” month.

And that was bare minimum. I still knocked it down overnight because I’m still American polluter trash.

But perhaps the financial incentive will convince people? Maybe? Or will we always have money to throw away until we’ve killed all vulnerable populations and are staring down our own deaths.

[audette]

Aug 30, 2022 10:23:18 GMT -5 Patsy Baloney said:

I will say, as someone who saw the 78 degree thermostat discussion play out and chose to change our settings because of it, our household saved $50 in utilities for the month of August this year. That’s usually our “time to donate plasma” month.

And that was bare minimum. I still knocked it down overnight because I’m still American polluter trash.

But perhaps the financial incentive will convince people? Maybe? Or will we always have money to throw away until we’ve killed all vulnerable populations and are staring down our own deaths.

DH and I lived in Korea for 2 years, and spent a chunk of our time there with military folks stationed there.  Korean utilities (at least where we were at) used graduated billing for electricity.  So, the first 100kwH (or whatever) was x amount per kwH, then 100-200 kwH was charged at x+y per kwH, then 200-300 at x+y+z per kwH.

Lemme tell you, you learn _quickly_ how to reduce your electric use when you get your first $500+ bill, and you realize that the more you use, the more expensive each little bit is.  Which also means if you conserve power, you pay much less quite quickly.


Graduated billing would be a way to convince folks here, I suspect.  Certainly our whole community there understood what's what quickly enough.

[pixy0stix]

Aug 30, 2022 10:45:38 GMT -5 audette said:

Aug 30, 2022 10:23:18 GMT -5 Patsy Baloney said:

I will say, as someone who saw the 78 degree thermostat discussion play out and chose to change our settings because of it, our household saved $50 in utilities for the month of August this year. That’s usually our “time to donate plasma” month.

And that was bare minimum. I still knocked it down overnight because I’m still American polluter trash.

But perhaps the financial incentive will convince people? Maybe? Or will we always have money to throw away until we’ve killed all vulnerable populations and are staring down our own deaths.

DH and I lived in Korea for 2 years, and spent a chunk of our time there with military folks stationed there.  Korean utilities (at least where we were at) used graduated billing for electricity.  So, the first 100kwH (or whatever) was x amount per kwH, then 100-200 kwH was charged at x+y per kwH, then 200-300 at x+y+z per kwH.

Lemme tell you, you learn _quickly_ how to reduce your electric use when you get your first $500+ bill, and you realize that the more you use, the more expensive each little bit is.  Which also means if you conserve power, you pay much less quite quickly.


Graduated billing would be a way to convince folks here, I suspect.  Certainly our whole community there understood what's what quickly enough.

I think most areas have tiers that they pay, and also times during the day where electricity costs more. They just pay it. They complain about it, but they still pay it.

[audette]

Aug 30, 2022 10:53:53 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Aug 30, 2022 10:45:38 GMT -5 audette said:

DH and I lived in Korea for 2 years, and spent a chunk of our time there with military folks stationed there.  Korean utilities (at least where we were at) used graduated billing for electricity.  So, the first 100kwH (or whatever) was x amount per kwH, then 100-200 kwH was charged at x+y per kwH, then 200-300 at x+y+z per kwH.

Lemme tell you, you learn _quickly_ how to reduce your electric use when you get your first $500+ bill, and you realize that the more you use, the more expensive each little bit is.  Which also means if you conserve power, you pay much less quite quickly.


Graduated billing would be a way to convince folks here, I suspect.  Certainly our whole community there understood what's what quickly enough.

I think most areas have tiers that they pay, and also times during the day where electricity costs more. They just pay it. They complain about it, but they still pay it.

Huh.  I didn't know it was common here in North America - Korea was the first place I have encountered that had it.  I've definitely heard of times of day having different rates in some places, but I've not seen (or heard of) tiered billing here before.  But...  learn something new every day.

[mrsjuleshs]

Aug 30, 2022 10:53:53 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Aug 30, 2022 10:45:38 GMT -5 audette said:

DH and I lived in Korea for 2 years, and spent a chunk of our time there with military folks stationed there.  Korean utilities (at least where we were at) used graduated billing for electricity.  So, the first 100kwH (or whatever) was x amount per kwH, then 100-200 kwH was charged at x+y per kwH, then 200-300 at x+y+z per kwH.

Lemme tell you, you learn _quickly_ how to reduce your electric use when you get your first $500+ bill, and you realize that the more you use, the more expensive each little bit is.  Which also means if you conserve power, you pay much less quite quickly.


Graduated billing would be a way to convince folks here, I suspect.  Certainly our whole community there understood what's what quickly enough.

I think most areas have tiers that they pay, and also times during the day where electricity costs more. They just pay it. They complain about it, but they still pay it.

Houston here.  The fighting about what to set the temp  is REAL here.  We do have graduated rates based on consumption. 500-1000 KWH, 1000-2000 KWH, 2000+ KWH. There are also plans with free weekends or free nights (I have this), etc.  People STILL crank the AC and just gripe all summer about electricity costs.  I do up the temp during the day since it's just the cats home and I'm comfy at78 degrees in the evening but I do admit to cranking it down at 10pm - 6am.  My ac typically won't kick back on till noon so I am not using as much during prime hours. Now, my complaint is that EVERY single non residential building is always freezing.  My office is typically 68 which is beyond ridiculous.

[wildrice]

Aug 30, 2022 11:56:58 GMT -5 audette said:

Aug 30, 2022 10:53:53 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

I think most areas have tiers that they pay, and also times during the day where electricity costs more. They just pay it. They complain about it, but they still pay it.

Huh.  I didn't know it was common here in North America - Korea was the first place I have encountered that had it.  I've definitely heard of times of day having different rates in some places, but I've not seen (or heard of) tiered billing here before.  But...  learn something new every day.

I wonder if they are just not transparent everywhere (or written in a way that the average consumer might not understand how rates are determined). I have no idea if my rates are based on tiers, nor the rates where I used to live, and I've been paying an electric bill for around 20 years at this point. 

[tacokick]

Aug 30, 2022 18:08:22 GMT -5 wildrice said:

Aug 30, 2022 11:56:58 GMT -5 audette said:

Huh.  I didn't know it was common here in North America - Korea was the first place I have encountered that had it.  I've definitely heard of times of day having different rates in some places, but I've not seen (or heard of) tiered billing here before.  But...  learn something new every day.

I wonder if they are just not transparent everywhere (or written in a way that the average consumer might not understand how rates are determined). I have no idea if my rates are based on tiers, nor the rates where I used to live, and I've been paying an electric bill for around 20 years at this point. 

BGE is flat rate unless you opt into a Time-Of-Use plan. www.bge.com/SafetyCommunity/Education/Pages/Archive/TimeOfUsePricing.aspx

They have a reward program for using less energy as well.