This Hot Summer Is One of the Coolest of the Rest of Our Liv

[pixy0stix]

This Hot Summer Is One of the Coolest of the Rest of Our Lives - www.scientificamerican.com/article/this-hot-summer-is-one-of-the-coolest-of-the-rest-of-our-lives/

[gretchenindisguise]

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If only I could I convince my landlord to put in solar, a/c and better windows

[quesyrah]

Not what I needed to read today. Sigh.

[Velar Fricative]

I had never seen that stripes graphic before. Denial of human-induced climate change is a helluva drug, man. Or maybe it's mostly apathy and greed. So, all of the above.

[goldengirlz]

Not everyone can (or wants) to move but I do wonder how these trends might reorder where people live.

I was just remarking to H about how I’d always fantasized about moving to California (in part) for the dream weather — now the weather is one of the top reasons we’d consider leaving.

I don’t know how cities like Phoenix will be habitable in the future. Even here, the amount of infrastructure upgrades we’ll need are huge — there’s the big stuff like the energy grid but even installing air conditioning in millions of homes that aren’t wired for it will be a massive undertaking (not to mention the further environmental impact/vicious cycle.)

[Velar Fricative]

Sept 6, 2022 14:53:29 GMT -5 goldengirlz said:

Not everyone can (or wants) to move but I do wonder how these trends might reorder where people live.

I was just remarking to H about how I’d always fantasized about moving to California (in part) for the dream weather — now the weather is one of the top reasons we’d consider moving.

I don’t know how cities like Phoenix will be habitable in the future. Even here, the amount of infrastructure upgrades we’ll need are huge — there’s the big stuff like the energy grid but even installing air conditioning in millions of homes that aren’t wired for it will be a massive undertaking (not to mention the further environmental impact/vicious cycle.)

As someone who's really into things like migration patterns and data (I don't know why I never got a full-time job with the Census Bureau lol), it just has to play a role in the coming years/decades. Not just higher temperatures, but things like access to water, reliable energy grids, ability to get non-$$$$$ home insurance policies, and (relative) lack of natural disasters will all play a role.

We are too tied down to our current area to leave even if we wanted to move away (which we don't), but we can't rule anything out at this point. Not with the risks of some kind of disaster impacting our home at some point. 

[macmars45]

H's family is all in the Phoenix area. I don't know how long they can stay there. Our 20 yr old nibling has already discussed with H where to move taking into consideration climate and lgtq+ laws.

[AJL]

I have a question about one of the graphics that shows average daytime highs. The section circled in black is around the Great Depression/Dust Bowl era. That seems to be the most extreme up until now in the time span noted. But then we see those high temps lower for a good 25-30 years (blue circle). I'm curious about what was going on in the US to see that dip. The important bit of info over all warming trend. The average highs are getting higher. But the Dust Bowl peak and then dip is interesting.

[pixy0stix]

Sept 6, 2022 16:59:27 GMT -5 AJL said:

I have a question about one of the graphics that shows average daytime highs. The section circled in black is around the Great Depression/Dust Bowl era. That seems to be the most extreme up until now in the time span noted. But then we see those high temps lower for a good 25-30 years (blue circle). I'm curious about what was going on in the US to see that dip. The important bit of info over all warming trend. The average highs are getting higher. But the Dust Bowl peak and then dip is interesting.

I'll have to dig up the resources, but the dip is mostly contributed to the ocean absorbing CO2 and heat. There was a brief dump of colder water due to glacial melt, but we've warmed up the water again so it's reaching heat and CO2 capacity.

ETA: Easy to read article about the process - www.pbs.org/newshour/science/the-ocean-helps-absorb-our-carbon-emissions-we-may-be-pushing-it-too-far

[tacom]

Sept 6, 2022 14:53:29 GMT -5 goldengirlz said:

Not everyone can (or wants) to move but I do wonder how these trends might reorder where people live.

I was just remarking to H about how I’d always fantasized about moving to California (in part) for the dream weather — now the weather is one of the top reasons we’d consider leaving.

I don’t know how cities like Phoenix will be habitable in the future. Even here, the amount of infrastructure upgrades we’ll need are huge — there’s the big stuff like the energy grid but even installing air conditioning in millions of homes that aren’t wired for it will be a massive undertaking (not to mention the further environmental impact/vicious cycle.)

But where can you even go anymore in the US?

Is there an area that’s protected from extreme weather / natural disasters and has an energy grid that can support its people?

[Velar Fricative]

Sept 6, 2022 17:38:15 GMT -5 tacom said:

Sept 6, 2022 14:53:29 GMT -5 goldengirlz said:

Not everyone can (or wants) to move but I do wonder how these trends might reorder where people live.

I was just remarking to H about how I’d always fantasized about moving to California (in part) for the dream weather — now the weather is one of the top reasons we’d consider leaving.

I don’t know how cities like Phoenix will be habitable in the future. Even here, the amount of infrastructure upgrades we’ll need are huge — there’s the big stuff like the energy grid but even installing air conditioning in millions of homes that aren’t wired for it will be a massive undertaking (not to mention the further environmental impact/vicious cycle.)

But where can you even go anymore in the US?

Is there an area that’s protected from extreme weather / natural disasters and has an energy grid that can support its people?

And is affordable and has jobs? I don’t think that unicorn exists that checks all of the above. And then other countries aren’t exactly immune either. Fun times!

[goldengirlz]

Sept 6, 2022 17:38:15 GMT -5 tacom said:

Sept 6, 2022 14:53:29 GMT -5 goldengirlz said:

Not everyone can (or wants) to move but I do wonder how these trends might reorder where people live.

I was just remarking to H about how I’d always fantasized about moving to California (in part) for the dream weather — now the weather is one of the top reasons we’d consider leaving.

I don’t know how cities like Phoenix will be habitable in the future. Even here, the amount of infrastructure upgrades we’ll need are huge — there’s the big stuff like the energy grid but even installing air conditioning in millions of homes that aren’t wired for it will be a massive undertaking (not to mention the further environmental impact/vicious cycle.)

But where can you even go anymore in the US?

Is there an area that’s protected from extreme weather / natural disasters and has an energy grid that can support its people?

Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts and Minnesota are often mentioned as the states that will be least impacted by climate change. For whatever that’s worth …

But you’re right. The whole world is fucked.

[minzy]

Sept 6, 2022 14:53:29 GMT -5 goldengirlz said:

I was just remarking to H about how I’d always fantasized about moving to California (in part) for the dream weather — now the weather is one of the top reasons we’d consider leaving.

This piece just came out today: www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/09/southern-californias-unevenly-felt-heat-wave/671345/

[thejen626]

Sept 6, 2022 17:38:15 GMT -5 tacom said:

Sept 6, 2022 14:53:29 GMT -5 goldengirlz said:

Not everyone can (or wants) to move but I do wonder how these trends might reorder where people live.

I was just remarking to H about how I’d always fantasized about moving to California (in part) for the dream weather — now the weather is one of the top reasons we’d consider leaving.

I don’t know how cities like Phoenix will be habitable in the future. Even here, the amount of infrastructure upgrades we’ll need are huge — there’s the big stuff like the energy grid but even installing air conditioning in millions of homes that aren’t wired for it will be a massive undertaking (not to mention the further environmental impact/vicious cycle.)

But where can you even go anymore in the US?

Is there an area that’s protected from extreme weather / natural disasters and has an energy grid that can support its people?

Oregon and Washington state. Mild weather, it rains a lot in the fall/winter/spring but we don’t get tornadoes or hurricanes, only a few small earthquakes in the 40 years I’ve lived here. The summers are much warmer than they used to be, especially in Oregon, but the heat only lasts 2-3 days at a time. However they are both expensive areas.

[sonrisa]

Sept 6, 2022 23:07:54 GMT -5 thejen626 said:

Sept 6, 2022 17:38:15 GMT -5 tacom said:

But where can you even go anymore in the US?

Is there an area that’s protected from extreme weather / natural disasters and has an energy grid that can support its people?

Oregon and Washington state. Mild weather, it rains a lot in the fall/winter/spring but we don’t get tornadoes or hurricanes, only a few small earthquakes in the 40 years I’ve lived here. The summers are much warmer than they used to be, especially in Oregon, but the heat only lasts 2-3 days at a time. However they are both expensive areas.

(Unfortunately I think you're underestimating future fire seasons. The temperatures aren't what makes people want to leave the Bay Area - yes they've gone up, and we have our moments like this weekend, but it still is much more moderate than most of the country. The real problem here is smoke season.)

[macmars45]

Sept 6, 2022 23:07:54 GMT -5 thejen626 said:

Sept 6, 2022 17:38:15 GMT -5 tacom said:

But where can you even go anymore in the US?

Is there an area that’s protected from extreme weather / natural disasters and has an energy grid that can support its people?

Oregon and Washington state. Mild weather, it rains a lot in the fall/winter/spring but we don’t get tornadoes or hurricanes, only a few small earthquakes in the 40 years I’ve lived here. The summers are much warmer than they used to be, especially in Oregon, but the heat only lasts 2-3 days at a time. However they are both expensive areas.

Central and eastern WA laugh in the face of your rains a lot and mild winter. We're a semi desert over here. In my central WA city we get 7-9" of rain a year and have several good snows storms most years. It snowed in April this year and dumped 18" in 3 days in January.  Summers are a lot of upper 80s-low 100s. It was in the upper 90s for most of August with some 100+ days thrown in to change it up. However, we have affordable housing and lots of trumpers. So, you know.

[thejen626]

Sept 7, 2022 13:06:32 GMT -5 macmars45 said:

Sept 6, 2022 23:07:54 GMT -5 thejen626 said:

Oregon and Washington state. Mild weather, it rains a lot in the fall/winter/spring but we don’t get tornadoes or hurricanes, only a few small earthquakes in the 40 years I’ve lived here. The summers are much warmer than they used to be, especially in Oregon, but the heat only lasts 2-3 days at a time. However they are both expensive areas.

Central and eastern WA laugh in the face of your rains a lot and mild winter. We're a semi desert over here. In my central WA city we get 7-9" of rain a year and have several good snows storms most years. It snowed in April this year and dumped 18" in 3 days in January.  Summers are a lot of upper 80s-low 100s. It was in the upper 90s for most of August with some 100+ days thrown in to change it up. However, we have affordable housing and lots of trumpers. So, you know.

Ha, true!

I’m from Portland, lived in Eugene and now Bellevue/Seattle. I don’t like deserts or Trumpers so I don’t spend much time in those parts of the states 😬

2017 was the first time I smelled wildfire smoke in Portland. 2020 I had to evacuate from my home. 2021 nothing in Eugene, and 2022 nothing in Seattle.

[sillygoosegirl]

Sept 7, 2022 13:53:52 GMT -5 thejen626 said:

Sept 7, 2022 13:06:32 GMT -5 macmars45 said:

Central and eastern WA laugh in the face of your rains a lot and mild winter. We're a semi desert over here. In my central WA city we get 7-9" of rain a year and have several good snows storms most years. It snowed in April this year and dumped 18" in 3 days in January.  Summers are a lot of upper 80s-low 100s. It was in the upper 90s for most of August with some 100+ days thrown in to change it up. However, we have affordable housing and lots of trumpers. So, you know.

Ha, true!

I’m from Portland, lived in Eugene and now Bellevue/Seattle. I don’t like deserts or Trumpers so I don’t spend much time in those parts of the states 😬

2017 was the first time I smelled wildfire smoke in Portland. 2020 I had to evacuate from my home. 2021 nothing in Eugene, and 2022 nothing in Seattle.

I grew up in the suburbs of Portland. I don't remember ever giving wildfires a single thought unless I was camping and being sure to be safe with my campfire. Never remember the air being smokey from wildfires.

I've been telling people about our retirement home "somewhere warm" since we bought our forever home in 2012. Joke's on me though, because it's already gotten ridiculously hot here and I'm not retired yet.

[dancingirl21]

We are in the suburbs of Chicago and I don’t plan on leaving. Yes our property taxes are crazy and the state has been mis-managed. But our weather is a big reason keeping us here. Winter can be long but not horrible (I grew up in WI and it’s much worse there). We have summer storms but compared to other areas in the country, they aren’t as bad. We get a lot of rain in the spring. Commuting into Chicago for work is generally pretty easy with Metra (not the case with driving). DH and I have talked about where else we might consider moving and the list is very, very short.

[mildop]

Sept 7, 2022 16:00:58 GMT -5 dancingirl21 said:

We are in the suburbs of Chicago and I don’t plan on leaving. Yes our property taxes are crazy and the state has been mis-managed. But our weather is a big reason keeping us here. Winter can be long but not horrible (I grew up in WI and it’s much worse there). We have summer storms but compared to other areas in the country, they aren’t as bad. We get a lot of rain in the spring. Commuting into Chicago for work is generally pretty easy with Metra (not the case with driving). DH and I have talked about where else we might consider moving and the list is very, very short.

Same for us, but we grew up here. Bought for Metra access. The new stadium is adding a great deal of unknown to our situation, but that will be years out.

ETA: a surprising of people around us have occasional basement water issues, and I wonder how that will affect things long term around here.

[pixy0stix]

One other thing to consider is that if you live in an urban area, how is the gov handling growth infrastructure. What are their plans for expansion/replacement? Many places are woefully under prepared.

[dancingirl21]

Sept 7, 2022 17:43:44 GMT -5 mildop said:

Sept 7, 2022 16:00:58 GMT -5 dancingirl21 said:

We are in the suburbs of Chicago and I don’t plan on leaving. Yes our property taxes are crazy and the state has been mis-managed. But our weather is a big reason keeping us here. Winter can be long but not horrible (I grew up in WI and it’s much worse there). We have summer storms but compared to other areas in the country, they aren’t as bad. We get a lot of rain in the spring. Commuting into Chicago for work is generally pretty easy with Metra (not the case with driving). DH and I have talked about where else we might consider moving and the list is very, very short.

Same for us, but we grew up here. Bought for Metra access. The new stadium is adding a great deal of unknown to our situation, but that will be years out.

ETA: a surprising of people around us have occasional basement water issues, and I wonder how that will affect things long term around here.

True. DH grew up where we live and I’m only from 4 hours away in Wisconsin. It would probably be a decent adjustment for anyone from a far different part of the country, as would be any big move.

We are in the western suburbs and I have also heard of many people that have basement leaking issues. We left ours unfinished for 2 years after buying to be sure it stayed dry, then we finished it. *knocks on wood*

[macmars45]

Sept 7, 2022 18:08:43 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

One other thing to consider is that if you live in an urban area, how is the gov handling growth infrastructure. What are their plans for expansion/replacement? Many places are woefully under prepared.

My city is building a ton of housing (apts, condos, duplexes and SFH). The last 8-10 years have seen a huge increase in building and it only intensified in the last 3 years.

They added a Winco grocery store in the last 5ish years, opened another Grocery Outlet and a Wilco just in the last year.

[rachelgreen]

Sept 7, 2022 17:43:44 GMT -5 mildop said:

Sept 7, 2022 16:00:58 GMT -5 dancingirl21 said:

We are in the suburbs of Chicago and I don’t plan on leaving. Yes our property taxes are crazy and the state has been mis-managed. But our weather is a big reason keeping us here. Winter can be long but not horrible (I grew up in WI and it’s much worse there). We have summer storms but compared to other areas in the country, they aren’t as bad. We get a lot of rain in the spring. Commuting into Chicago for work is generally pretty easy with Metra (not the case with driving). DH and I have talked about where else we might consider moving and the list is very, very short.

Same for us, but we grew up here. Bought for Metra access. The new stadium is adding a great deal of unknown to our situation, but that will be years out.

ETA: a surprising of people around us have occasional basement water issues, and I wonder how that will affect things long term around here.

I grew up in the near western burbs (and now live in the Milwaukee burbs). Lots of the flooding in the area where I grew up was due to creeks - like Salt Creek and Des Plaines River. It’s always going to flood Gene & Jude’s for example. DH grew up in the Harlem/Irving area. Same reasons for any flooding - but also storm drain blocks. Where my mom is now, further western burbs, there’s enough forest preserves that seems to soak up the rain. She did have one tornado there when I was in jr high.

I don’t think we’d ever leave WI, unless it’s back to IL, or we have no choice. Yeah, winter sucks but for ten years we were even further north than MKE and it was fine. We adjusted. I’ve always said that if our weather was a tiny bit less winter and a little more spring, everyone would live here. Now maybe they will. 😬