Mark Meadows texts w/ 34 coup plotters in Congress.

[Pom]

talkingpointsmemo.com/feature/mark-meadows-exchanged-texts-with-34-members-of-congress-about-plans-to-overturn-the-2020-election

“White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows exchanged text messages with at least 34 Republican members of Congress as they plotted to overturn President Trump’s loss in the 2020 election.

Those messages are being fully, publicly documented here for the first time.”

[basilosaurus]

I'm equally shocked and not shocked.

Shocked they are just that dumb and transparent.

Not shocked they're that dumb and awful.

[notsopicky]

I just read through the article quickly, and one of the things that stood out to me is that these Boomers are "signing" their damn texts.

Gonna make it pretty hard to say that you didn't write them, isn't it?

[erbear]

Completely unsurprised and yet baffled that this isn’t a bigger deal. Sitting members of congress conspiring to overthrow the government should be a big fucking deal.

[ssmjlm]

No one has heard of a freaking burner phone? They really are that stupid.

And I agree, conspiracy to overthrow an election as a sitting member of congress seems like something they should be removed for, yes?

[shauni27]

I feel genuine shock reading some of these texts because I guess I did not believe that these crazies really believed the election was stolen but just wanted to cheat their way into a win. But reading these it seems like they genuinely thought that the election was rigged. WHICH IS INSANE.

[Deleted]

Dec 13, 2022 8:53:52 GMT -5 shauni27 said:

I feel genuine shock reading some of these texts because I guess I did not believe that these crazies really believed the election was stolen but just wanted to cheat their way into a win. But reading these it seems like they genuinely thought that the election was rigged. WHICH IS INSANE.

I actually find their actions a *little* more understandable if they genuinely thought that the election was rigged and they genuinely thought they were doing the right thing. I mean, it’s still batshit crazy to think the election was rigged. But it seems worse to me if they knew the election wasn’t rigged, lied and said it was, then tried to cheat their way into the outcome they wanted….you know, like Trump and his inner circle did.

[shauni27]

Dec 13, 2022 9:35:06 GMT -5 @villainv said:

Dec 13, 2022 8:53:52 GMT -5 shauni27 said:

I feel genuine shock reading some of these texts because I guess I did not believe that these crazies really believed the election was stolen but just wanted to cheat their way into a win. But reading these it seems like they genuinely thought that the election was rigged. WHICH IS INSANE.

I actually find their actions a *little* more understandable if they genuinely thought that the election was rigged and they genuinely thought they were doing the right thing. I mean, it’s still batshit crazy to think the election was rigged. But it seems worse to me if they knew the election wasn’t rigged, lied and said it was, then tried to cheat their way into the outcome they wanted….you know, like Trump and his inner circle did.

right, I feel the same way.

[pixy0stix]

They were all hacked. By China. Yeah. China.

[pixy0stix]

I really don't understand how Ted Cruz turned into such a toady. (Except that I do understand.)

[5kcandlesinthewind]

Dec 13, 2022 7:08:12 GMT -5 erbear said:

Completely unsurprised and yet baffled that this isn’t a bigger deal. Sitting members of congress conspiring to overthrow the government should be a big fucking deal.

I keep thinking about how if this was happening in other countries and the whole world was watching them slide into authoritarianism, a majority of people in the US would wonder how on earth it could happen. And yet, when it actually DOES happen here, at least a third of the country just shrugs and calls anyone who points it out hysterical and hyperbolic.

[Velar Fricative]

Dec 13, 2022 9:50:01 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

They were all hacked. By China. Yeah. China.

I feel like Chinese hackers would know better than some our elected officials that "martial law" isn't spelled "Marshall law."

[Velar Fricative]

Dec 13, 2022 10:48:53 GMT -5 5kcandlesinthewind said:

Dec 13, 2022 7:08:12 GMT -5 erbear said:

Completely unsurprised and yet baffled that this isn’t a bigger deal. Sitting members of congress conspiring to overthrow the government should be a big fucking deal.

I keep thinking about how if this was happening in other countries and the whole world was watching them slide into authoritarianism, a majority of people in the US would wonder how on earth it could happen. And yet, when it actually DOES happen here, at least a third of the country just shrugs and calls anyone who points it out hysterical and hyperbolic.

And it goes to show just how easy it can happen. 

[W.T.Faulkner]

Dec 13, 2022 11:00:24 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

Dec 13, 2022 10:48:53 GMT -5 5kcandlesinthewind said:

I keep thinking about how if this was happening in other countries and the whole world was watching them slide into authoritarianism, a majority of people in the US would wonder how on earth it could happen. And yet, when it actually DOES happen here, at least a third of the country just shrugs and calls anyone who points it out hysterical and hyperbolic.

And it goes to show just how easy it can happen. 

I've been teaching the same US History class since the 2014-2015 academic year; I've taught hundreds of students.

During the first couple of years, when we'd get to World War II, the #1 question I'd get was how Hitler was ever elected to public office.

I have not been asked that question in at least six years.

[NewOrleans]

Dec 13, 2022 6:58:00 GMT -5 notsopicky said:

I just read through the article quickly, and one of the things that stood out to me is that these Boomers are "signing" their damn texts.

Gonna make it pretty hard to say that you didn't write them, isn't it?

I’ve noticed Boomers do this on FB too. lol

anyway they’ll all  just be like my phone was stolen, hacked, prove it was me sending it, etc

[NewOrleans]

Dec 13, 2022 10:48:53 GMT -5 5kcandlesinthewind said:

Dec 13, 2022 7:08:12 GMT -5 erbear said:

Completely unsurprised and yet baffled that this isn’t a bigger deal. Sitting members of congress conspiring to overthrow the government should be a big fucking deal.

I keep thinking about how if this was happening in other countries and the whole world was watching them slide into authoritarianism, a majority of people in the US would wonder how on earth it could happen. And yet, when it actually DOES happen here, at least a third of the country just shrugs and calls anyone who points it out hysterical and hyperbolic.

People on this board told us we were hysterical and hyperbolic 

[Deleted]

If anyone wants another reminder of how we got to where we're at, the show on HBOMax "The Murdochs: Empire of Influence" is pretty angst inducing.

[Michelle]

Dec 13, 2022 11:29:01 GMT -5 W.T.Faulkner said:

Dec 13, 2022 11:00:24 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

And it goes to show just how easy it can happen. 

I've been teaching the same US History class since the 2014-2015 academic year; I've taught hundreds of students.

During the first couple of years, when we'd get to World War II, the #1 question I'd get was how Hitler was ever elected to public office.

I have not been asked that question in at least six years.

I hope that is a signal that they get it, and that this gets reflected in their votes as they turn 18.

[sonrisa]

Dec 13, 2022 9:56:52 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

I really don't understand how .... (Except that I do understand.)

This applies to soooo much of their shit

[pumpkin]

I just don’t understand how this isn’t a bigger deal. This evidence is pretty black and white!

[NewOrleans]

1. Bummer: The text log does not include responses from Meadows to these texts.

2. 😐 Green’s communications director, Rachel del Guidice, provided a statement to TPM that suggested his ideas came from people in his district rather than the congressman himself.
“Congressman Green was passing along what constituents were sending him to keep the White House informed on the sentiments of his constituents,” del Guidice said. “He wasn’t advocating for any specific course of action.”

[erbear]

Dec 13, 2022 11:29:01 GMT -5 W.T.Faulkner said:

Dec 13, 2022 11:00:24 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

And it goes to show just how easy it can happen. 

I've been teaching the same US History class since the 2014-2015 academic year; I've taught hundreds of students.

During the first couple of years, when we'd get to World War II, the #1 question I'd get was how Hitler was ever elected to public office.

I have not been asked that question in at least six years.

@@@ (job mention)

I actually teach this in middle school. The kids are (appropriately) horrified. But yes, in the last few years, they see it much easier.

[livinitup]

Dec 13, 2022 11:34:41 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

Dec 13, 2022 6:58:00 GMT -5 notsopicky said:

I just read through the article quickly, and one of the things that stood out to me is that these Boomers are "signing" their damn texts.

Gonna make it pretty hard to say that you didn't write them, isn't it?

I’ve noticed Boomers do this on FB too. lol

anyway they’ll all  just be like my phone was stolen, hacked, prove it was me sending it, etc

The Congressional security office could provide video with audio documenting them typing while reading their texts out loud and these assholes WHO HAVE NO SHAME would still dodge responsibility for doing it. Because they can.

[cattledogkisses]

Dec 13, 2022 7:08:12 GMT -5 erbear said:

Completely unsurprised and yet baffled that this isn’t a bigger deal. Sitting members of congress conspiring to overthrow the government should be a big fucking deal.

It is a big fucking deal, but instead of doing anything about it, it sounds like the House is going to endlessly investigate Hunter Biden.  Priorities.