And now Pence has documents too

[pixy0stix]

Records management at the city I used to work for was bonkers. Basically they kept everything as a paper copy, even when things started moving towards digital. In part because every time there was turnover in the State office the policies changed. When I left a little over a year ago, they finally had gotten the all clear to start scanning in the old docs and going digital. It was so much paper. So much.

[fuckyourcouch]

Jan 24, 2023 16:35:44 GMT -5 rupertpenny said:

And everything is on paper because these are OLD MEN we are talking about here, but there are also legit advantages to keeping paper records over electronic.

I was going to say, I think the problem is not a lack of records training but old men. I'm a fed as well and all the old guys in my offices have printed EVERYTHING. When I started my current position our director was like "don't you want an office printer for home?" No??? I don't want anything like that hanging around my house or trash!

Eta: in my experience compliance depends on the group. In my last position we were constantly handling confidential docs every day and it was drilled into you how to handle them correctly. It was actually part of our yearly performance plans. In my current position, the group doesn't handle that type of thing daily, so it seems much more casual to them. It's something I have brought up to leadership in the past.

[cattledogkisses]

Apparently this is a recurring issue going back to the Carter administration.

It’s been a problem off and on for decades, from presidents to Cabinet members and staff across multiple administrations stretching as far back as Jimmy Carter. The issue has taken on greater significance since Trump willfully retained classified material at his Florida estate, prompting the unprecedented FBI seizure of thousands of pages of records last year.

It turns out former officials from all levels of government discover they are in possession of classified material and turn them over to the authorities at least several times a year, according to a person familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity due to the sensitive nature of classified documents.

apnews.com/article/biden-trump-classified-documents-president-33df0355c72e9ae8fa4cb6ead13f6521

[redheadbaker]

Jan 24, 2023 13:56:20 GMT -5 mrsd2006 said:

Who doesn't have any classifed documents at their house?

H asked me last night if we had any at our house. 

[TR]

Jan 25, 2023 12:41:44 GMT -5 cattledogkisses said:

Apparently this is a recurring issue going back to the Carter administration.

It’s been a problem off and on for decades, from presidents to Cabinet members and staff across multiple administrations stretching as far back as Jimmy Carter. The issue has taken on greater significance since Trump willfully retained classified material at his Florida estate, prompting the unprecedented FBI seizure of thousands of pages of records last year.

It turns out former officials from all levels of government discover they are in possession of classified material and turn them over to the authorities at least several times a year, according to a person familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity due to the sensitive nature of classified documents.

apnews.com/article/biden-trump-classified-documents-president-33df0355c72e9ae8fa4cb6ead13f6521

I believe this. It probably happened fairly regularly and people found it, turned it in, done. And no one made a big deal out of it, it was handled. And then Trump came along and did it, but hid them and didn't turn them in when asked and it became a HUGE story and so now we have to hear about it every fucking time in some stupid "both sides" show of neutrality by the media.

[audette]

I wonder what sort of percentage the docs/folders/etc that make it into their offices are classified. I sort of wonder if it shouldn't be more of a "let's hold back these few personal things", and leave the rest of the paperwork. Because so much of it is classified, it's simply easier to manage that way.