May 2023: General Politics

[SwimDeep]

We've been talking about DeSantis and the orange turd a lot... and then I saw this article today and got "fuck no" chills.

Brian Kemp 2024: www.gpb.org/news/2023/05/17/kemp-presidential-run-in-2024-advisor-says-things-can-change-quickly

I would not be one bit surprised if he makes a run for president. Every bit as dangerous as FL gov, but at least 100x more sneaky.

[Velar Fricative]

I'm halfway done with the Daily episode today on whether Trump's nomination for 2024 is inevitable. I give up figuring out how he can be a loser (or loser by association) in 2018, 2020 *and* 2022 and still have this much hold on the GOP.

However, one part I heard so far was where the nephew of a former GOP governor said they aren't winning without Trump so they just have to figure out which issue in 2024 could still bring in people who are so turned off by Trump to vote red anyway. I know there is still plenty of time until November 2024 for there to be a brand new issue that gets most of the spotlight by that point, but for now I do fear the current handling of the immigration crisis could be that issue. I know the Biden administration has implemented new, sound policies that are intended to decrease numbers, but that doesn't do anything about immigrants in limbo in this country right now and clearly the GOP House has every intention to do whatever it takes to make sure he fails so Congress won't do a thing either while states and cities go tit-for-tat shipping people around the country and beg the federal government for assistance.

[Jalapeñomel]

May 22, 2023 8:55:18 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

I'm halfway done with the Daily episode today on whether Trump's nomination for 2024 is inevitable. I give up figuring out how he can be a loser (or loser by association) in 2018, 2020 *and* 2022 and still have this much hold on the GOP.

However, one part I heard so far was where the nephew of a former GOP governor said they aren't winning without Trump so they just have to figure out which issue in 2024 could still bring in people who are so turned off by Trump to vote red anyway. I know there is still plenty of time until November 2024 for there to be a brand new issue that gets most of the spotlight by that point, but for now I do fear the current handling of the immigration crisis could be that issue. I know the Biden administration has implemented new, sound policies that are intended to decrease numbers, but that doesn't do anything about immigrants in limbo in this country right now and clearly the GOP House has every intention to do whatever it takes to make sure he fails so Congress won't do a thing either while states and cities go tit-for-tat shipping people around the country and beg the federal government for assistance.

A whole swath of new young people will be voting this election. We HAVE to tap into them and what they care about to make a difference. 

[Pilsy]

Just saw this morning that Senator Tim Scott (R-SC) has officially entered the race. He's raised $22M already. 


www.nytimes.com/2023/05/22/us/politics/tim-scott-2024-campaign-trump.html

[pixy0stix]

Pence looks like he will run as well - www.npr.org/2023/05/15/1176354750/mike-pence-might-run-for-president-so-supporters-are-launching-a-super-pac-to-fu

Why would you want to head a party that erected literal gallows for you?

[Velar Fricative]

May 22, 2023 13:08:42 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Pence looks like he will run as well - www.npr.org/2023/05/15/1176354750/mike-pence-might-run-for-president-so-supporters-are-launching-a-super-pac-to-fu

Why would you want to head a party that erected literal gallows for you?

Guy who showed that he didn't trust the Secret Service on January 6th wants to be protected by the Secret Service lol.

The GOP is just a cult at this point. Not a legit political party.

[livinitup]

My parents were talking about a local congressman near their district. They live in the Northeast. So, I was curious and looked up his website. It was SCREAMING boarder security and anti-immigration and “asylum cheaters

[mpm]

Kemp is terrifying. He’s charismatic and reminds people of when republicans were just people with whom democrats had differences of opinion on tax policy. He’s just as evil as De Santis but without nearly the same media scrutiny and has largely been flying under the radar.

[neverfstop]

May 22, 2023 8:55:18 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

I'm halfway done with the Daily episode today on whether Trump's nomination for 2024 is inevitable. I give up figuring out how he can be a loser (or loser by association) in 2018, 2020 *and* 2022 and still have this much hold on the GOP.

Ho

it was a depressing episode....basically Trump 2016 was all about generic/white people grievance politics.  In 2020 & after he lost the election, he shifted to making all the grievances about him personally and his loss.  BUT somebody has told him and he has shifted back to white nationalist grievance issues, that are resonating with the base.  He is able to gather a unique coalition of people who 1) are fine with his policies but don't like him 2) who like him and his fighting stance but don't care about his policies.  It's a minority of republicans, but it's these voters that can get him the nomination.  There's no other nominee who gets group 1 or group 2 without pissing off the other.....therefore, he's increasingly likely to be the nominee.

[seeyalater52]

Kemp is terrifying. Tim Scott is terrifying. Every single one of them is goading the others further right. Everyone except Trump and DeSantis is running to be VP.

Whichever of these pairs are the Republican nominee in 2024 will be a lot worse than Trump/Pence was in 2016, and a lot more dangerous - even if it’s Trump. This is all really truly dangerous and still we have folks acting like anyone who isn’t Trump is a kitten we’d be lucky to run against.

[msmerymac]

Listening to that Daily episode, it really made me wonder where the GOP would be if Trump hadn't run in 2016.

Hindsight is 20/20 and I know there were signs the GOP was moving into an authoritarian hellscape going back 40+ years. But would anything have stopped it? What if Jeb Bush got the nomination in 2016? What if the party continued in the McCain/Romney kind of direction? Where would they be now and would they still be moving toward fascism/white supremacy?

[seeyalater52]

May 23, 2023 8:20:36 GMT -5 msmerymac said:

Listening to that Daily episode, it really made me wonder where the GOP would be if Trump hadn't run in 2016.

Hindsight is 20/20 and I know there were signs the GOP was moving into an authoritarian hellscape going back 40+ years. But would anything have stopped it? What if Jeb Bush got the nomination in 2016? What if the party continued in the McCain/Romney kind of direction? Where would they be now and would they still be moving toward fascism/white supremacy?

I think yes because fascism and white supremacy is who they have been and where they’ve been going all along but Trump accelerated it to an alarming degree. Without Trump I don’t think they’d have been able to skip as many steps as they have or frankly face as little backlash. The “shock and awe” dynamic of the Trump administration throwing everything at the wall at the same time to see what sticks and to overwhelm opponents and make it impossible to keep track is a terrifying addition to the Republican playbook.

[litebright]

On the positive side, Biden freaking finally made an FCC nomination that is likely to go through. Anna Gomez is a telecom attorney, was at both NTIA and the FCC for a long time, and is also the U.S. rep to WRC-23, the big radio communications global conference where they hash out what spectrum is going to be used for what. He didn't nominate anyone to the FCC until late 2021, Gigi Sohn went went through three hearings and Joe Manchin ultimately scuttled her nom and she withdrew this March, and IMO Biden should have just done with someone like Gomez to begin with.

I also want to mention that not only will this mean two women on the FCC again, one of whom is the first permanent Chairwoman (Jessica Rosenworcel), and the other who is representing the U.S. at WRC, but the head of the ITU is also an American woman (Doreen Bogdan-Martin, the first woman to lead ITU ever and it's been around like 150 years). That's pretty impressive and unprecedented to have women in all three of those positions.

[basilosaurus]

South Carolina Gov. Henry McMaster, a Republican, faces demands from state Democrats to apologize for a remark he used to refer to them during a Republican Party event over the weekend.



“I look forward to the day that Democrats are so rare, we have to hunt them with dogs,” McMaster said at a state GOP convention, a reporter for The State newspaper, Joseph Bustos, tweeted during the event....

In response to the outcry from Democrats, a spokesperson for McMaster, Brandon Charochak, said the governor had issued the same comment at previous GOP conventions, and that “everyday South Carolinians understand that it’s a joke.”



“If South Carolina Democrat partisans can no longer bear light-hearted jokes made at their expense, then maybe they should focus their energy on winning and not whining,” Charochak said in a statement.

www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/democrats-blasted-gov-mcmaster-remark-hunting-dogs-rcna85744

[basilosaurus]

GA GQP district chair is a flat earther who thinks that globes globes globes everywhere are a brainwashing conspiracy. If this were satire, I'd say it was pathetically unbelievable and not funny.

www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/kandiss-taylor-globes-anti-flat-earth-brainwashing-1234741082/

[basilosaurus]

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TX school district hands out winnie-the-pooh books on active shooters to kids as young as 4. It's so insanely fucked up. It includes telling children to fight as a last resort, or hide (your head in a honey jar like pooh.)

Yes, there's a real article in the guardian, but I'm a fan of the sarcasm and vitriol from dailykos. Like this line "And, yes, Tigger turned out to be a horrible anti-drug spokesman, especially after it came out that he smokes more meth than the meth-smoking half of Kansas. Back to the drawing board" It links to and quotes guardian.

www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/5/25/2171336/-Texas-schools-hand-out-Winnie-the-Pooh-books-showing-4-year-olds-how-to-foil-active-shooters

[mrsukyankee]

May 28, 2023 11:34:50 GMT -5 basilosaurus said:

South Carolina Gov. Henry McMaster, a Republican, faces demands from state Democrats to apologize for a remark he used to refer to them during a Republican Party event over the weekend.



“I look forward to the day that Democrats are so rare, we have to hunt them with dogs,” McMaster said at a state GOP convention, a reporter for The State newspaper, Joseph Bustos, tweeted during the event....

In response to the outcry from Democrats, a spokesperson for McMaster, Brandon Charochak, said the governor had issued the same comment at previous GOP conventions, and that “everyday South Carolinians understand that it’s a joke.”



“If South Carolina Democrat partisans can no longer bear light-hearted jokes made at their expense, then maybe they should focus their energy on winning and not whining,” Charochak said in a statement.

www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/democrats-blasted-gov-mcmaster-remark-hunting-dogs-rcna85744

That is NOT a light-hearted joke. Joking about death around politicians is NOT appropriate, especially as there are so many who would honestly try to kill politicians and others. If everyday S.Carolinians are okay with this joke, there is something wrong with them.

[Vespasia]

basilosaurus can you remove the @ article? Or at least tag it.

[basilosaurus]

May 29, 2023 7:34:29 GMT -5 Vespasia said:

basilosaurus can you remove the @ article? Or at least tag it.

Thanks for the reminder. I think what the they're are doing instead of anything about guns is worth keeping in, but I'll defer if there's disagreement about that.

[mrsd2006]

Looks like Chris Christie is going to throw his hat into the circus for 2024.

[pixy0stix]

Are we going to get the same clown car from the Rs that we did in 2016? When are Rubio and Cruz going to announce?