Who do you think will be President on Feb. 1st 2025?

[sonrisa]

So - where do you think everything will stand after the next inauguration?

[minzy]

I half think it will be someone completely unexpected. Though I think the window is narrowing or maybe even fully closed where that’s even possible.

[mrsukyankee]

From an outsider perspective - Biden will be President. I can't see anyone else getting the nomination and I do think things are going downhill for the Republicans (not as much as I'd like but some). I do think that EVERYONE who can encourage friends and family to vote need to do so. People will have to go to universities and encourage people to vote for Biden (despite them potentially being angry about stuff - now is not the time to do anything else). I do live in a slightly more liberal bubble of family and friends, but they are also working hard to get their friends and family to either vote for Biden or at least not vote for Trump. I have several life-long Republican friends who will either vote for Biden or someone else but not Trump.

[Jalapeñomel]

I would've said Biden two months ago. Now, I think the tides are turning and people would rather not vote then have to vote for either candidate, so that would put Trump in office.

[penguingrrl]

I don’t know why, but I keep getting a nagging feeling that Haley is going to get the nomination and win the election. I realize how slim those odds are, but she seems to have momentum and I think something is going to happen to accelerate that and she’s going to end up winning.

[abs]

I honestly have no idea. The tide seems to turn daily. A month ago I would have said Trump. Now I think Biden squeaks by. So much can happen between now and November. I guess whoever has the best PR going into election season wins.

[konapoppy]

Is there a version where we are still in turmoil and Johnson or someone else is temporary?

[Velar Fricative]

I'm not making annnnny predictions until, like, October. Remember this time in 2020 we were just hearing about the seafood market in Wuhan and RBG was still alive...

But I buy all the arguments here so far lol. That's why I've thrown my hands up and am not predicting anything.

[eddy]

Jan 10, 2024 7:36:07 GMT -5 Jalapeñomel said:

I would've said Biden two months ago. Now, I think the tides are turning and people would rather not vote then have to vote for either candidate, so that would put Trump in office.

exactly where I am at. Maybe it is because I am in Iowa and this fucking caucus finally ends next week. It has just been constant media blasts. My confidence has soured and I hope it is rejuvenated. 

[Susie]

I'm struggling to separate hope from actual belief at this point.  

If I let hope take the wheel, I think it will be Biden.  I don't see any other Dem getting the nomination, and so I hope he wins.

I'm too afraid of a 2nd Trump term to seriously consider it until/unless I have to.  

Haley does have momentum now, but looking at how many months we have to go... if we looked back the same number of months, De Santis had momentum too, and I think that has mercifully crashed and burned.  So I'm not taking it too seriously yet.

[ellipses84]

Biden based on numbers. I don’t think the polling % for Rs mean what it did 4 or 8 years ago because there are less Republicans, I think more Rs will not vote for dumpster fire again and the social/ environmental /abortion issues are so great to those under 40 and women, they will vote D regardless of who the candidate is and not stay home due.

I think people will seem really disengaged until right before the election. Wildcard is a candidate dies before then.

Please remind people to register to vote. With newer voter suppression laws, some of the deadlines are approaching fast.

[underwaterrhymes]

My anxiety won’t let me state who I think it will be since there is a lot of time between now November. But I clicked on Biden to throw good vibes out into the universe.

[dutchgirl678]

Biden for sure. I don't believe the polls and I think the media is extremely biased to show a 'fair' comparison. He won by over 7M votes last time, turned around the economy, and is doing everything for the American people from voting rights to abortions to negotiating lower drug prices, you name it. Gen Z is pumped up to vote for him.

[eddy]

One thing I do keep telling myself is that people are so exhausted so they are not engaged right now. And honestly that is extremely healthy. But we have seen the last couple election cycles that people show up and vote for the dem candidates. I hope that holds. So when I am feeling more optimistic I remind myself to trust the process.

[jinkies]

Honestly I think it will be the Republican candidate and I hope that's not Trump.

I hope I'm wrong.

[mrsd2006]

I keep hoping Trump drops dead, then Biden bows out and a younger Dem takes his place and wins.

[StrawberryBlondie]

Biden.

I don't see abortion suddenly becoming less of an issue and I don't see Republicans dropping Trump.

[lust2hart]

I think Trump will get the R nomination and Biden will win. If somehow any other candidate gets the R nomination, I think they will win.

[turkturkleton]

I have no idea, but I think the Dems need to find a new candidate, and soon. Biden has already lost so much of the Gen Z vote, and is losing more every day he ignores their (completely valid) protests. They are the most informed and connected generation of voters ever, and their concerns are more global than just what is policy in the US. They won't start voting R, but they will absolutely sit out the election or vote third party.

The only people I know under 40 who are excited to/defintiely planning to vote for Biden are the wealthy, white, cishet liberal crowd. Considering Gen Z (the largest and most diverse generation yet) and Millenials make up the majority of his base, I have a hard time believing the election will go well for him.

[mrsukyankee]

Jan 10, 2024 18:33:29 GMT -5 turkturkleton said:

I have no idea, but I think the Dems need to find a new candidate, and soon. Biden has already lost so much of the Gen Z vote, and is losing more every day he ignores their (completely valid) protests. They are the most informed and connected generation of voters ever, and their concerns are more global than just what is policy in the US. They won't start voting R, but they will absolutely sit out the election or vote third party.

The only people I know under 40 who are excited to/defintiely planning to vote for Biden are the wealthy, white, cishet liberal crowd. Considering Gen Z (the largest and most diverse generation yet) and Millenials make up the majority of his base, I have a hard time believing the election will go well for him.

And that's why, if Biden is the nominee, you all have to be pushing that generation to vote. It's not about finding the candidate that fits all your loves. It never can be. This is a BIG one for your democracy. HUGE. They also need to vote locally for Dems. If this generation sits it out because, wah, he isn't their favourite person, then the country is screwed.

I would like to show them the results of Brexit and the Tories - all because of a generation either voting in protest FOR Brexit (because they were angry about other things), sitting both votes out because other people were going to vote, or because voting for someone who wasn't exactly their cup of tea (but far better than the Tories) wasn't worth it in their minds. And now we're losing the NHS, that generation is getting screwed financially and environmentally and there's a continued possibility that the Tories will win the next election if they keep wanting the perfect candidate (I'm seeing this at all ages over here because Starmer is not liberal enough - but he's far better than the Tories).

[erbear]

Jan 10, 2024 18:33:29 GMT -5 turkturkleton said:

I have no idea, but I think the Dems need to find a new candidate, and soon. Biden has already lost so much of the Gen Z vote, and is losing more every day he ignores their (completely valid) protests. They are the most informed and connected generation of voters ever, and their concerns are more global than just what is policy in the US. They won't start voting R, but they will absolutely sit out the election or vote third party.

The only people I know under 40 who are excited to/defintiely planning to vote for Biden are the wealthy, white, cishet liberal crowd. Considering Gen Z (the largest and most diverse generation yet) and Millenials make up the majority of his base, I have a hard time believing the election will go well for him.

There is no world in which the Dems are going to run a different candidate 10 months before the most important election. Biden isn’t the sexiest candidate in the world, but you don’t always get a Tik Tok government, and the young voters need to understand that politics is give and take since their wants and needs aren’t the only ones that matter (older voters also need to understand this). The party should certainly try to court them, as they are a key voting bloc, but to cater solely to the 18-25 voters, who vote irregularly anyway, is a mistake. I have worked with this generation for years. I love their passion. But seeing beyond themselves has not been a strong point.

Now get off my lawn

[neverfstop]

I’m just telling myself that Biden will make another 13 months. My psyche can’t handle anything else.

My latest game is to think about who Trump will pick as VP? I’m thinking maybe Ramswaney bc he wants his money….

[Jalapeñomel]

Jan 11, 2024 7:11:24 GMT -5 erbear said:

Jan 10, 2024 18:33:29 GMT -5 turkturkleton said:

I have no idea, but I think the Dems need to find a new candidate, and soon. Biden has already lost so much of the Gen Z vote, and is losing more every day he ignores their (completely valid) protests. They are the most informed and connected generation of voters ever, and their concerns are more global than just what is policy in the US. They won't start voting R, but they will absolutely sit out the election or vote third party.

The only people I know under 40 who are excited to/defintiely planning to vote for Biden are the wealthy, white, cishet liberal crowd. Considering Gen Z (the largest and most diverse generation yet) and Millenials make up the majority of his base, I have a hard time believing the election will go well for him.

There is no world in which the Dems are going to run a different candidate 10 months before the most important election. Biden isn’t the sexiest candidate in the world, but you don’t always get a Tik Tok government, and the young voters need to understand that politics is give and take since their wants and needs aren’t the only ones that matter. The party should certainly try to court them, as they are a key voting bloc, but to cater solely to the 18-25 voters, who vote irregularly anyway, is a mistake. I have worked with this generation for years. I love their passion. But seeing beyond themselves has not been a strong point.

Now get off my lawn

I would say this isn't unique to that generation...Gen X, Millennials, Boomers are absolutely the same way.


Every election the older generations dismiss the power of the younger generations, and now is not the time to do so. The Dems need to try hard, much harder to get them out to vote. 

[TR]

Jan 10, 2024 18:33:29 GMT -5 turkturkleton said:

I have no idea, but I think the Dems need to find a new candidate, and soon. Biden has already lost so much of the Gen Z vote, and is losing more every day he ignores their (completely valid) protests. They are the most informed and connected generation of voters ever, and their concerns are more global than just what is policy in the US. They won't start voting R, but they will absolutely sit out the election or vote third party.

I am asking this sincerely. I’ve seen a lot of this on TikTok and I’m seeing it from marginalized groups, and I say that because they are the ones who will suffer the most under a Trump presidency and yet they’re still saying they won’t vote for Biden. What is the plan? The end goal? So they don’t vote for Biden, they really show him how he should’ve done more for Palestine (because that’s the catalyst for most of the arguments for voting against him that I’m seeing) and we get Trump. Then what? Because a third party just isn’t viable under our current system. It’s one thing to just blow it all up in protest, but THEN.WHAT.

[wambam]

I predict something insane is going to happen with the R primary and it’ll be the not-Trump candidate.

[TR]

Jan 11, 2024 9:16:11 GMT -5 TR said:

Jan 10, 2024 18:33:29 GMT -5 turkturkleton said:

I have no idea, but I think the Dems need to find a new candidate, and soon. Biden has already lost so much of the Gen Z vote, and is losing more every day he ignores their (completely valid) protests. They are the most informed and connected generation of voters ever, and their concerns are more global than just what is policy in the US. They won't start voting R, but they will absolutely sit out the election or vote third party.

I am asking this sincerely. I’ve seen a lot of this on TikTok and I’m seeing it from marginalized groups, and I say that because they are the ones who will suffer the most under a Trump presidency and yet they’re still saying they won’t vote for Biden. What is the plan? The end goal? So they don’t vote for Biden, they really show him how he should’ve done more for Palestine (because that’s the catalyst for most of the arguments for voting against him that I’m seeing) and we get Trump. Then what? Because a third party just isn’t viable under our current system. It’s one thing to just blow it all up in protest, but THEN.WHAT.

And to quote myself, I feel like they must have a plan/expectation because like I said, these are people who would suffer under Trump. Or is it just a matter of the principles being worth the sacrifice? I don’t know. I want to listen, but I’m struggling to understand.

[jlt19]

Jan 11, 2024 20:40:48 GMT -5 TR said:

Jan 11, 2024 9:16:11 GMT -5 TR said:

I am asking this sincerely. I’ve seen a lot of this on TikTok and I’m seeing it from marginalized groups, and I say that because they are the ones who will suffer the most under a Trump presidency and yet they’re still saying they won’t vote for Biden. What is the plan? The end goal? So they don’t vote for Biden, they really show him how he should’ve done more for Palestine (because that’s the catalyst for most of the arguments for voting against him that I’m seeing) and we get Trump. Then what? Because a third party just isn’t viable under our current system. It’s one thing to just blow it all up in protest, but THEN.WHAT.

And to quote myself, I feel like they must have a plan/expectation because like I said, these are people who would suffer under Trump. Or is it just a matter of the principles being worth the sacrifice? I don’t know. I want to listen, but I’m struggling to understand.

But it worked out so well for the Berners…

[turkturkleton]

Jan 11, 2024 20:40:48 GMT -5 TR said:

Jan 11, 2024 9:16:11 GMT -5 TR said:

I am asking this sincerely. I’ve seen a lot of this on TikTok and I’m seeing it from marginalized groups, and I say that because they are the ones who will suffer the most under a Trump presidency and yet they’re still saying they won’t vote for Biden. What is the plan? The end goal? So they don’t vote for Biden, they really show him how he should’ve done more for Palestine (because that’s the catalyst for most of the arguments for voting against him that I’m seeing) and we get Trump. Then what? Because a third party just isn’t viable under our current system. It’s one thing to just blow it all up in protest, but THEN.WHAT.

And to quote myself, I feel like they must have a plan/expectation because like I said, these are people who would suffer under Trump. Or is it just a matter of the principles being worth the sacrifice? I don’t know. I want to listen, but I’m struggling to understand.

I don't have any answers, I'm just someone attempting to keep up with US politics when I can because it was my home for a long time. From what I've been told, the end goal is to eventually get a properly liberal party. The current Dems are moderate by any global standard. They want the goverment to realize they need to listen to what their base actually wants, not pat them on the head to court votes and then spend their time in office increasing the budgets of a police force that is murdering them. They want a party that will run someone who isn't funding the genocide of people who look like them, who have sent support and helpful tips about how to handle being teargassed when they protest their own oppression. Every time they rally around a candidate because they're told that they need to or democracy will die, it only reinforces the narrative that the candidates that can win need to be rich, white, and older than their grandparents.

I routinely hear the argument that the most marginalized groups of people will suffer most if they don't suck it up and continue to vote whoever runs as a D from privileged (often white) voters, yet the actual people I know who belong to those groups say they don't see much difference in their daily lives. They already can't afford meaningful healthcare, even with the ACA. They can't afford or access abortion care anyway. They can't get their student loans forgiven, because they never qualified to get them in the first place. And on and on, in every area of life.

I don't have solutions, I don't have statistics on how widespread these mindsets are among Gen Z and younger Millenials. I only have the anecdotes from the people I still know (and who still trust me enough to be honest about all of this) and their assurances that they are not outliers in their communities. They are nearly all POC, the children of immigrants/refugees, and largely in a socioeconimic bracket that most on this board have never experienced.

They are angry, and they are willing to keep suffering rather than continue to go along with a system that was designed to keep them out of the room. 

[basilosaurus]

Jan 10, 2024 9:25:33 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

I'm not making annnnny predictions until, like, October. Remember this time in 2020 we were just hearing about the seafood market in Wuhan and RBG was still alive...

But I buy all the arguments here so far lol. That's why I've thrown my hands up and am not predicting anything.

I was living in the first country outside china to have a positive case, and still this time we weren't doing anything until another couple weeks.

In 2016 Jan trump was a nothing chance.

I just want to fast forward. Or maybe not if dystopia is the future. Enjoy my last days of democracy

[basilosaurus]

Jan 11, 2024 21:27:07 GMT -5 jlt19 said:

Jan 11, 2024 20:40:48 GMT -5 TR said:

And to quote myself, I feel like they must have a plan/expectation because like I said, these are people who would suffer under Trump. Or is it just a matter of the principles being worth the sacrifice? I don’t know. I want to listen, but I’m struggling to understand.

But it worked out so well for the Berners…

and fucking Jill Stein is doing her 3rd party bullshit again.