First universal vaccine?

[pixy0stix]

news.ucr.edu/articles/2024/04/15/vaccine-breakthrough-means-no-more-chasing-strains

[aurora]

I don't pretend to understand the science, but this sounds really promising! I hope it works.

[hermione]

This is really interesting. Thanks for sharing.

[wanderingback]

This is very interesting.
I tried to read the research article but don’t have access and notice it’s published in one of those more shady pay to play type journals that have a high article processing charge. That smells a little fishy. But hopefully there is a reason for that and this is actually a scientific breakthrough.

[joy]

Apr 18, 2024 0:09:56 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

This is very interesting.
I tried to read the research article but don’t have access and notice it’s published in one of those more shady pay to play type journals that have a high article processing charge. That smells a little fishy. But hopefully there is a reason for that and this is actually a scientific breakthrough.

PNAS is a respected journal with a high impact factor (11). It’s not shady at all.

I actually have some my own research published there.

[sproctopus]

Apr 18, 2024 0:09:56 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

This is very interesting.
I tried to read the research article but don’t have access and notice it’s published in one of those more shady pay to play type journals that have a high article processing charge. That smells a little fishy. But hopefully there is a reason for that and this is actually a scientific breakthrough.

PNAS isn't a predatory journal-- they've got a peer-review process and a pretty good impact factor. Maybe you're thinking of PLOS (also peer-reviewed but lower impact and higher acceptance rate, which lends to the pay-to-publish reputation).

I did have the same thoughts though and I wondered why this type of break-through study didn't make it to a higher tier journal like Nature. I'll read it more when I get to work.

[wanderingback]

Apr 18, 2024 6:10:19 GMT -5 joy said:

Apr 18, 2024 0:09:56 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

This is very interesting.
I tried to read the research article but don’t have access and notice it’s published in one of those more shady pay to play type journals that have a high article processing charge. That smells a little fishy. But hopefully there is a reason for that and this is actually a scientific breakthrough.

PNAS is a respected journal with a high impact factor (11). It’s not shady at all.

I actually have some my own research published there.

Why does it have a high APC?!
Just curious! Lots of people have told me to be weary of journals like that, so I guess that’s wrong? Guess I learned something new these days! Thank you
But maybe it’s different in different lines of work? Def not the norm for what I do!

[lessel]

wanderingback I think what you're seeing for the article processing fee is an open access fee. Really common these days for any scientific/medical journal that's not by default an open access journal. It's not a pay-to-play journal overall though. PNAS is a National Academy of Sciences journal.

[joy]

Apr 18, 2024 6:23:07 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

Apr 18, 2024 6:10:19 GMT -5 joy said:

PNAS is a respected journal with a high impact factor (11). It’s not shady at all.

I actually have some my own research published there.

Why does it have a high APC?!
Just curious! Lots of people have told me to be weary of journals like that, so I guess that’s wrong? Guess I learned something new these days! Thank you
But maybe it’s different in different lines of work? Def not the norm for what I do!

I actually need to look into that. My PI was wary of publishing too many color figures because that was so pricey in all the journals but other costs of publishing was shrugged as “the cost of doing business.” That’s a crap answer right now so lemme read a bit and be back

[wanderingback]

Apr 18, 2024 7:01:43 GMT -5 joy said:

Apr 18, 2024 6:23:07 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

Why does it have a high APC?!
Just curious! Lots of people have told me to be weary of journals like that, so I guess that’s wrong? Guess I learned something new these days! Thank you
But maybe it’s different in different lines of work? Def not the norm for what I do!

I actually need to look into that. My PI was wary of publishing too many color figures because that was so pricey in all the journals but other costs of publishing was shrugged as “the cost of doing business.” That’s a crap answer right now so lemme read a bit and be back

Interesting! I’m not a researcher and don’t work in "hard sciences" but have my name on a few papers and we def didn’t have to pay a thing, so I thought that was standard!

And interestingly enough literally 2 days ago someone in a group chat was asking around if someone had heard about a certain journal cause they kept getting emails from them and then they said they looked it up and it looked sketchy cause it had a super high APC and their emails seemed shady. And everyone agreed with them, so I think this is why it’s fresh on my mind. So I’m guessing the difference is that in my field it’s not as standard to have to pay to publish in journals with a subscription model so we’re a bit wary, ha.

And I’ve always said that although research is great it certainly needs to be looked at cautiously in regards to the bias of who has the opportunity to publish. This definitely shows that you have to have a lot of money to publish in certain fields which is unfortunate. But thank you for teaching me today I didn’t mean to minimize anyone’s work!

Sorry to derail the thread, please carry on!

[pixy0stix]

Any discussion, however it happens, about the validity of sources is welcome by me. It's how we become better informed.

[aurora]

I'm in a different field, but charges for open access journals have become much more common in recent years compared to when I first started publishing. And with the rise of those charges, I'm seeing more of the formerly free journals charging (much smaller) fees even for the traditional, subscription-based articles. Maybe because they can, and it still looks good compared to open-access fees? But anyway, I do think there has been a shift in mindset about article charges in the last 5-10 years.

[picksthemusic]

I passed this on to my team - how exciting! If they can get this off the ground, it would truly be an amazing advancement! And if the same technology could be applied in other areas... lots of possibilities here.

[jinkies]

I work in journals. Both of my journals are currently subscription-based, and offer both Open Access and subscription-only content. It's hard to balance the desire to make science accessible, while also understanding that there is a cost to the publication process.

Both of my journals are society-sponsored, and their income makes up a large portion of the society's budget, which then allows the society to offer grants, provide programming, and otherwise support those working in their field of study and their member scientists.

The ethics of charging to publish science, and what to charge, is a HUGE discussion/ point of controversy in the industry.

Having said all that, PNAS is a very legit journal, as others have noted.

[cap]

wanderingback and anyone else that might want it, I can access the full text of the journal article (I work at an R1 university) and am happy to send a copy.

[picksthemusic]

Apr 18, 2024 14:54:51 GMT -5 cap said:

wanderingback and anyone else that might want it, I can access the full text of the journal article (I work at an R1 university) and am happy to send a copy.

I'll PM you my email if you don't mind sending me one.

[cap]

Apr 18, 2024 17:33:36 GMT -5 picksthemusic said:

Apr 18, 2024 14:54:51 GMT -5 cap said:

wanderingback and anyone else that might want it, I can access the full text of the journal article (I work at an R1 university) and am happy to send a copy.

I'll PM you my email if you don't mind sending me one.

Sure! I’m at home now and it’s a bit of a pain to get articles since I’m not on the university’s internet, so I’ll do it tomorrow. Nudge me if I forget!

[aspentosh]

This would be freaking amazing. I know my lab discussed this possibility and hope for the future when I was there, so I am so excited it might be close!