Trump Nonsense

[pixy0stix]

Jul 31, 2024 9:21:52 GMT -5 livinitup said:

“Abortion after birth”

“They will take the life of a child in the eighth month, the ninth month and even after birth.”
Trump has said this numerous times including live, on camera, during the presidential debate with Biden. To me, this statement is (more) evidence to disqualify him as a serious candidate for president. However, to MAGA, this statement becomes gospel and deserves believing and repeating. In ordinary MAGA circles it’s morphed into versions of ‘They are doing abortions after birth. In lib states, up to four weeks after the baby is born”.

I didn’t think the crazy town bar could drop lower than the floor of the Dead Sea in Jordan. But here we are.

Besides building more radical and outrageous lies upon lies to feed the outrage machine, can anyone think of the root cause of this statement? I’ve heard it might be referring to hospice palliative care for newborns. Sometimes it hurts my mind and head less if I know the seed to which the lying is based.

I have, at various times, asked staunch R prolifers to expand on the "after birth abortion" statements. They usually can't explain it. Just repeat the phrase several times and then shut down the convo.

[TR]

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livinitup, yes, the palliative care seems to be what they’re pointing to as “infanticide”. Here’s one article I found that talks about it.

www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/02/27/fact-check-do-democrats-support-abortion-up-until-and-after-birth/984338007/

From the article:

“In these cases, where there is little or no prospect of an infant surviving after birth, families might opt for perinatal palliative care, or comfort care — prioritizing comfort while allowing an infant to die naturally without exercising full resuscitation efforts.

The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists describes this care as existing on a spectrum of care, “which includes pregnancy termination (abortion) and full neonatal resuscitation and treatment.”

Cruz’s spokeswoman pointed to this care as an example of a doctor completing an abortion by denying medical care.”

[picksthemusic]

This is just more evidence that those without a medical license should not be legislating and deciding what medical procedures are or mean. My god.

[sonrisa]

Jul 31, 2024 9:04:59 GMT -5 lilac05 said:

Jul 31, 2024 8:51:08 GMT -5 macmars45 said:

My ILs are hardcore trumpers. I'm sure they also believe he has nothing to do with Project 2025.

I honestly believe him that he doesn’t know much about it. It might be one of the most honest things he has said in a long time. That would require him to care about something other than giving soundbites, eating McDonald’s, and golfing. (However, I think him NOT knowing about it is intentional. He almost assuredly agrees with it, but not being officially informed about it now is wise. He can plead ignorance because he knows it isn’t popular, then if he were to get into office, he will suddenly learn all about it from all of his advisors and put things in place.)

Rather than trying to nail him for lying about not knowing about it, I think we should really be pressing him about WHY he doesn’t know anything about it. A presidential candidate should be WELL informed about something so big and well-funded with so manh strong connectios to their party. Ask how he plans to distance himself from the PEOPLE involved in the project and make sure they don’t push for things to happen in his administration. A LOT of people surrounding him are involved in it, of course, but he’s just their useful idiot.

exactly
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Isn’t this a classic part of organized crime and corporate malfeasance? Don’t know the details so you can maintain plausible deniability and avoid accountability.

He doesn’t need to know about all the shady stuff. He doesn’t want to know about it. He’s happy to delegate it out to someone else who will handle the dirty work. He doesn’t care about project 2025. It’s way to granular and way to much work to interest him. Just like he wouldn’t know where to find toilet paper or groceries and probably couldn’t boil an egg or pack his own suitcase. Let alone fill out his own 1040 or construct and execute a complicated process to undermine the country and destroy wople’s lives.

That’s what underlings and henchmen are for.

[UMaineTeach]

Jul 31, 2024 7:01:27 GMT -5 icedcoffee said:

Trump accepted an invitation from the The National Association of Black Journalists to speak at their annual meeting today.  They always invite both candidates.  And...there's like no chance he won't say something totally insane so I'm anxiously awaiting to reports out of this.

Like I'm just envisioning him using the same speech he gave the Christians "I love you my beautiful black journalists!"

I know we have another dedicated thread, but he decided he couldn’t even pretend to tolerate Black people and got pulled after 34 minutes.

[basilosaurus]

Jul 31, 2024 19:08:49 GMT -5 UMaineTeach said:

Jul 31, 2024 7:01:27 GMT -5 icedcoffee said:

Trump accepted an invitation from the The National Association of Black Journalists to speak at their annual meeting today.  They always invite both candidates.  And...there's like no chance he won't say something totally insane so I'm anxiously awaiting to reports out of this.

Like I'm just envisioning him using the same speech he gave the Christians "I love you my beautiful black journalists!"

I know we have another dedicated thread, but he decided he couldn’t even pretend to tolerate Black people and got pulled after 34 minutes.

While I've almost entirely culled my feed and friends starting with the great derangement of 2016, this has shown me another round of formerly intelligent and decent people showing their true selves. These are people that have been continuously critical of him and certainly of Jan 6. "Headlines are vicious" "She attacked him" OMFG. 

I'm pretty sure the last place you'd want to be so flagrantly racist is at an event hosted by black people whose entire profession is to present to the world what you're saying. I know he's dumb and falling into dementia, but read the room! And, um, maybe don't comment that there are a lot of black people there?

[basilosaurus]

Jul 31, 2024 10:16:31 GMT -5 TR said:

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livinitup , yes, the palliative care seems to be what they’re pointing to as “infanticide”. Here’s one article I found that talks about it.

www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/02/27/fact-check-do-democrats-support-abortion-up-until-and-after-birth/984338007/

From the article:

“In these cases, where there is little or no prospect of an infant surviving after birth, families might opt for perinatal palliative care, or comfort care — prioritizing comfort while allowing an infant to die naturally without exercising full resuscitation efforts.

The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists describes this care as existing on a spectrum of care, “which includes pregnancy termination (abortion) and full neonatal resuscitation and treatment.”

Cruz’s spokeswoman pointed to this care as an example of a doctor completing an abortion by denying medical care.”

Yes, this is essentially what they mean. I wouldn't be surprised if people believe that doctors are viciously killing because they'll believe anything, and I've heard those comments, too, but it's mostly about not receiving resuscitation and all availble medical interventions that ultimately would meet the same end.

But, compassion. That's a foreign word to these people. Why allow parents to choose to allow their loved and wanted child to die peacefully in their arms when they can hyperbolize to stick it to the libs

[katfco]

I grew up in the conservative evangelical world. There are absolutely those who believe pro-choice people are in favor of allowing the ending a fetus's life even during labor just because. There are no gray areas allowed for these people.

[lilac05]

Jul 31, 2024 22:54:38 GMT -5 katfco said:

I grew up in the conservative evangelical world. There are absolutely those who believe pro-choice people are in favor of allowing the ending a fetus's life even during labor just because. There are no gray areas allowed for these people.

This is also my experience. No gray area ever. For anything. Except excusing Trump’s atrocious behavior.

These people will literally vote for ANYONE who says they’re against abortions. NOTHING else matters to them.

[katfco]

Aug 1, 2024 0:26:50 GMT -5 lilac05 said:

Jul 31, 2024 22:54:38 GMT -5 katfco said:

I grew up in the conservative evangelical world. There are absolutely those who believe pro-choice people are in favor of allowing the ending a fetus's life even during labor just because. There are no gray areas allowed for these people.

This is also my experience. No gray area ever. For anything. Except excusing Trump’s atrocious behavior.

These people will literally vote for ANYONE who says they’re against abortions. NOTHING else matters to them.

And gays. Don’t forget the gays.

I can at least be grateful that my mom, who is as black and white as you can get with the Bible, is horrified by Trump.

[pixy0stix]

Trump splits with GOP lawmakers on national security, raising alarm - thehill.com/homenews/senate/4804488-republicans-alarmed-trump-war-ukraine/

These dumb fucks. Did they forget that Trump is all in with Putin?

[sonrisa]

Aug 1, 2024 9:10:03 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Trump splits with GOP lawmakers on national security, raising alarm - thehill.com/homenews/senate/4804488-republicans-alarmed-trump-war-ukraine/

These dumb fucks. Did they forget that Trump is all in with Putin?

it’s like they don’t remember 2016 or any year after it.

[stuffandthings]

Aug 1, 2024 12:45:48 GMT -5 sonrisa said:

Aug 1, 2024 9:10:03 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Trump splits with GOP lawmakers on national security, raising alarm - thehill.com/homenews/senate/4804488-republicans-alarmed-trump-war-ukraine/

These dumb fucks. Did they forget that Trump is all in with Putin?

it’s like they don’t remember 2016 or any year after it.

RIGHT?! I feel like I'm going insane here. We watched this happen for four years! The man tried to bribe the president of Ukraine to prosecute his political rival! Where were these guys?!?

[fernweh]

Vance says prisoners coming home is “a testament to TRUMP’S strength”.

Okay sure, Bud.

thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4806049-vance-trump-prisoner-swap/

[Jalapeñomel]

I read somewhere that Trump going off on Hannibal Lecter is likely because he thinks asylum = insane asylum.

I don’t care if it’s not true, it’s fucking hilarious and seems totally plausible.

[neverfstop]

This is the top story on WaPo this morning....kind of messy, but it appears Egypt was trying to give him $10M in 2017. Once in office, Barr squashed the investigation.

GIFT wapo.st/3SxAkvO

$10M cash withdrawal drove secret probe into whether Trump took money from Egypt
Political appointees rejected efforts to search for additional evidence investigators believed might provide answers, then closed the case.


The Post investigation reveals that investigators identified a cash withdrawal in Cairo of $9,998,000 — nearly identical to the amount described in the intelligence, as well as to the amount Trump had given his campaign weeks earlier. A key theory investigators pursued, based on intelligence and on international money transfers, was that Trump was willing to provide the funds to his campaign in October 2016 because he expected to be repaid by Sisi, according to people familiar with the probe.

[pixy0stix]

Aug 2, 2024 9:11:45 GMT -5 neverfstop said:

This is the top story on WaPo this morning....kind of messy, but it appears Egypt was trying to give him $10M in 2017. Once in office, Barr squashed the investigation.

GIFT wapo.st/3SxAkvO

$10M cash withdrawal drove secret probe into whether Trump took money from Egypt
Political appointees rejected efforts to search for additional evidence investigators believed might provide answers, then closed the case.


The Post investigation reveals that investigators identified a cash withdrawal in Cairo of $9,998,000 — nearly identical to the amount described in the intelligence, as well as to the amount Trump had given his campaign weeks earlier. A key theory investigators pursued, based on intelligence and on international money transfers, was that Trump was willing to provide the funds to his campaign in October 2016 because he expected to be repaid by Sisi, according to people familiar with the probe.

Are you fucking kidding me right now?

[fernweh]

Judge has set a Aug 16 hearing for Trump election interference case.

abcnews.go.com/US/judge-sets-aug-16-hearing-trumps-federal-election/story?id=112537104

[neverfstop]

Moved from other thread about number of Trump flags seen around people recently.....

Remember, the current GOP is wandering into cult like behavior with the idol worship, the random chants (Lock her up, lets go brandon), the rabid "othering" of people, spending money on a wasted cause (his legal defenses), the clothing items (hats, flags, shoes, ear patches). They are extremely vocal and wanting to show they belong & have their own language. They over-represent the actual trump voters because they are so visible. They are illogical and irrational, but also in the minority. It helps explain the behavior to see it through this lens.

www.verywellmind.com/what-is-a-cult-5078234

Absolute authoritarianism without accountability
Zero tolerance for criticism or questions
Lack of meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget
Unreasonable fears about the outside world that often involve evil conspiracies and persecutions
A belief that former followers are always wrong for leaving and there is never a legitimate reason for anyone else to leave
Abuse of members
Records, books, articles, or programs documenting the abuses of the leader or group
Followers feeling they are never able to be “good enough”
A belief that the leader is right at all times
A belief that the leader is the exclusive means of knowing “truth” or giving validation

[Jalapeñomel]

Aug 2, 2024 9:11:45 GMT -5 neverfstop said:

This is the top story on WaPo this morning....kind of messy, but it appears Egypt was trying to give him $10M in 2017. Once in office, Barr squashed the investigation.

GIFT wapo.st/3SxAkvO

$10M cash withdrawal drove secret probe into whether Trump took money from Egypt
Political appointees rejected efforts to search for additional evidence investigators believed might provide answers, then closed the case.


The Post investigation reveals that investigators identified a cash withdrawal in Cairo of $9,998,000 — nearly identical to the amount described in the intelligence, as well as to the amount Trump had given his campaign weeks earlier. A key theory investigators pursued, based on intelligence and on international money transfers, was that Trump was willing to provide the funds to his campaign in October 2016 because he expected to be repaid by Sisi, according to people familiar with the probe.

Wow. I have no words for this.

[erbear]

Trump won’t debate Harris in planned September debate. I think she should accept the invite anyway. Let her answer all the questions on national tv without Trump there 🤷‍♀️

[isabel]

Aug 3, 2024 14:24:14 GMT -5 erbear said:

Trump won’t debate Harris in planned September debate. I think she should accept the invite anyway. Let her answer all the questions on national tv without Trump there 🤷‍♀️

That’s the plan.

[ECB]

Aug 3, 2024 15:39:18 GMT -5 isabel said:

Aug 3, 2024 14:24:14 GMT -5 erbear said:

Trump won’t debate Harris in planned September debate. I think she should accept the invite anyway. Let her answer all the questions on national tv without Trump there 🤷‍♀️

That’s the plan.]

i LOVE that she is going all in on calling him out. LOVE IT.

[sonrisa]

I love "Mr. Anytime, anywhere, anyplace"

[neverfstop]

Had so many choices where to put this, but I think the JD Vance specific thread has run it's course....

Sen. JD Vance walked over to take a look at Air Force Two today after his campaign plane landed at the same Wisconsin airport.

"I just wanted to check out my future plane," Vance said, according to CNN. He said he didn't speak to Vice President Harris.

Photos at link
www.axios.com/newsletters/axios-pm

[underwaterrhymes]

Aug 7, 2024 19:34:04 GMT -5 neverfstop said:

Had so many choices where to put this, but I think the JD Vance specific thread has run it's course....

Sen. JD Vance walked over to take a look at Air Force Two today after his campaign plane landed at the same Wisconsin airport.

"I just wanted to check out my future plane," Vance said, according to CNN. He said he didn't speak to Vice President Harris.

Photos at link
www.axios.com/newsletters/axios-pm

Fucking creeper.

[cville]

Aug 7, 2024 19:49:30 GMT -5 underwaterrhymes said:

Aug 7, 2024 19:34:04 GMT -5 neverfstop said:

Had so many choices where to put this, but I think the JD Vance specific thread has run it's course....

Sen. JD Vance walked over to take a look at Air Force Two today after his campaign plane landed at the same Wisconsin airport.

"I just wanted to check out my future plane," Vance said, according to CNN. He said he didn't speak to Vice President Harris.

Photos at link
www.axios.com/newsletters/axios-pm

Fucking creeper.

He's the personification of the word tool.

I'm sure he and his aides are all pwned!! Ha ha!! We're so clever!!!

[pixy0stix]

The energy of the plane stunt is exactly 15 yo boy who takes pictures in front of cars he doesn't own just to try to be cool.

[basilosaurus]

Aug 7, 2024 20:06:38 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

The energy of the plane stunt is exactly 15 yo boy who takes pictures in front of cars he doesn't own just to try to be cool.

to make it Olympic specific I was in torrino Italy in 2006 just after Olympics and saw a bunch of teens posing with a Ferrari. Super cool guys lol

[wise_rita]

Aug 3, 2024 23:46:58 GMT -5 sonrisa said:

I love "Mr. Anytime, anywhere, anyplace"

She needs to keep up with that "too scared to show up" business. I feel like it's the one thing that will drag him out of the hole he lives in.