Back to 3DPO?! PIP I think

[winecheery]

I am annoyed today. My temp today dropped a tiny bit, and somehow that computed to FF that I O'd later than originally estimated, and it raised my cover line too. So instead of being at 8dpo, which is much nicer, I'm back to 3dpo based on data. This isn't the worst thing ever, because we happened to have sex on the "new" fertile days; day before, and day of O.

Yesterday, it showed me having O'd on day 15, and my coverline was lower. Now, it says I O'd on the 20th. It also predicts that my cycle will be longer as a result.

But if my luteal phase is still ending the original projected day...(like I o'd late, but cycle is same length, so that would've been a week from today) that's only a 10 day LP

Tell me what you think is up. I'm really frustrated. But at least it's detecting O, and at least if this new scenario is right, we still had sex on some good days.

I want to PIP...did it work?? My Ovulation Chart

[nevafaye]

I would likely ignore the open circle and if you do that, it's likely right.

I'd also imagine your cycle will be longer than you originally thought.

[winecheery]

Ok, so 3dpo then?? And if you suspect the cycle will be longer...that could be in my favor...but why should I assume that instead of a late O? (I'm happy to assume it's longer btw, that would improve the chances to implant, no?)

[Cheesecake]

Hmmmm, anything weird happen on CD20 that might cause you to have that really low temp out of the blue?
If I look at it with my limited knowledge CD16 is just as likely to be O-day as CD20, your cover line would just be lower.
Any chance you have previous charts with cover lines and their average temps? (If your coverline is ALWAYS 97.7 or lower, I'd say you O'd on CD16, if it's always 98 or higher I'm afraid FF is right, if it's somewhere in between I really truly have absolutely no clue.

Sorry :-(

[Cheesecake]

To add, I notice you've submitted CP on 2 occasions, did you not check it at all the other days or was it the same as the previous days. I'm thinking that might also cause it to be thrown off. I wonder what FF will do if you remove the CP from CD22. If you think or know that it might possibly have been in the same position for more days already, it might just screw up your chart for no good reason at all.

[winecheery]

Oct 3, 2012 10:39:12 GMT -5 Cheesecake said:

Hmmmm, anything weird happen on CD20 that might cause you to have that really low temp out of the blue?
If I look at it with my limited knowledge CD16 is just as likely to be O-day as CD20, your cover line would just be lower.
Any chance you have previous charts with cover lines and their average temps? (If your coverline is ALWAYS 97.7 or lower, I'd say you O'd on CD16, if it's always 98 or higher I'm afraid FF is right, if it's somewhere in between I really truly have absolutely no clue.

Sorry

No I just started temping this cycle. On a whim; I'd promised myself to just casually temp, or not at all, because I was afraid it would make me obsessive. It's actually proving to be really informative, and I like it...except for this moment lol

Yesterday it showed my coverline as 97.7 I think...and the low temp on the 20th... No idea. I originally suspected that was a secondary estrogen surge at 4dpo. Now that wouldn't apply of course.

My cm was a lot more watery around CD15-17. Then I did have some on CD20, which would make sense so whoooo knooowsss!

[winecheery]

Oct 3, 2012 10:43:17 GMT -5 Cheesecake said:

To add, I notice you've submitted CP on 2 occasions, did you not check it at all the other days or was it the same as the previous days. I'm thinking that might also cause it to be thrown off. I wonder what FF will do if you remove the CP from CD22. If you think or know that it might possibly have been in the same position for more days already, it might just screw up your chart for no good reason at all.

I tried just now and nothing happened. Also I wasn't checking as religiously after the temps showed I O'd initially

[Cheesecake]

I guess there's only one way to find out, and that's to get knocked up this cycle. And then at the ultrasound have them determine the gestational age and then you'll know. That's the only solution, right??!! :-)
It might be the water this month though, my cycle has been totally weird and random as well and I basically have 2 possible O dates as well. I'm hoping it's the one it keeps telling me it is as that gives me lotsa sex on fertile days. If it'd change to 3 days later it won't be impossible, but the chances are a LOT slimmer.

[nevafaye]

Oct 3, 2012 10:37:53 GMT -5 winecheery said:

Ok, so 3dpo then?? And if you suspect the cycle will be longer...that could be in my favor...but why should I assume that instead of a late O? (I'm happy to assume it's longer btw, that would improve the chances to implant, no?)

Because from what I've read, the cycle length doesn't dictate LP, rather LP dictates a cycle length. If your average LP is 12 days, and you O late, I would expect that your period would start 12(ish) days later.

Honestly, it's really even hard to guess since you don't have previous cycles to compare.

[thoseareradishes]

Oct 3, 2012 10:59:44 GMT -5 nevafaye said:

Oct 3, 2012 10:37:53 GMT -5 winecheery said:

Ok, so 3dpo then?? And if you suspect the cycle will be longer...that could be in my favor...but why should I assume that instead of a late O? (I'm happy to assume it's longer btw, that would improve the chances to implant, no?)

Because from what I've read, the cycle length doesn't dictate LP, rather LP dictates a cycle length. If your average LP is 12 days, and you O late, I would expect that your period would start 12(ish) days later.

Honestly, it's really even hard to guess since you don't have previous cycles to compare.

Agreed. Your LP stays about the same length every month. So if you ovulate later, your cycle will be longer than a cycle where you ovulate earlier.

[Deleted]

Except for that one random low temp, it almost looks like your chart could be tri-phasic?

Remember that the coverline is just a visual cue to that depicts a statistical number, and has NO physiological significance. So I wouldn't worry too much about that. I'm no expert, but I would have thought, based on your chart, that you O'd around CD16, and that the one random low temp a few days ago was a statistical outlier. But like I said, I'm no expert...

[winecheery]

Oct 3, 2012 14:11:29 GMT -5 @villainv said:

Except for that one random low temp, it almost looks like your chart could be tri-phasic?

Remember that the coverline is just a visual cue to that depicts a statistical number, and has NO physiological significance. So I wouldn't worry too much about that. I'm no expert, but I would have thought, based on your chart, that you O'd around CD16, and that the one random low temp a few days ago was a statistical outlier. But like I said, I'm no expert...

You know, I have no clue either. Obviously haha. But the thing is, I took several opks and an opk on the 15th came up that was 50% positive, and I didn't record it because it wasn't entirely dark pink, and I didn't want to skew chart results.

BUT It's the darkest opk I ever had and I have such diluted pee and can't hold it for more than like two hours so I kept telling myself that for me, it counted it as a positive. But then like I said, I took it away. WWYD?? Keep it as a pos or not?

[nevafaye]

Half-dark counts as a positive. I'd put that in.

[winecheery]

Ok. Did it. FF had some whiplash from all my fussing with things and now am back to 8dpo lol

Time to drink, I think.

[nevafaye]

Sometimes I fuck with things in mine just to see what happens, lol.

[Cheesecake]

You should drink 'til it's pink anyway, it's the right thing to do! (Might even thin out your blood enough to make implantation easier. Or so I've heard!)

[winecheery]

Oct 3, 2012 14:58:23 GMT -5 nevafaye said:

Sometimes I fuck with things in mine just to see what happens, lol.

lol I should start doing this

[winecheery]

Oct 3, 2012 15:03:53 GMT -5 Cheesecake said:

You should drink 'til it's pink anyway, it's the right thing to do! (Might even thin out your blood enough to make implantation easier. Or so I've heard!)

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