RHW of New Jersey **spoilers**

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Spoilers....

I am not a fan of Teresa this season but I did not agree with Jacqueline and Caroline talking to Gia and reading that book to her about being a bad sport. Gia was throwing a temper tantrum and acting like a brat, but she is not their child.

And as a side note, the LAST person I would want parenting my child would be Jacqueline. You can tell when she bickers with Ashley that she does not have the best parenting techniques.

[katie829]

I agree completely. I was upset when they didn't get Teresa and basically taunted her with the book. I agree Gia had a meltdown but it wasn't fair to say that she learned from her family. Teresa was really calm (albeit I bet Joe Guidice would freak out and maybe that is why he wasn't there).

[thejackpot]

Really? I thought Jacqueline went overboard with the book but for the most part they were just trying to get her to come back out and play.
I don't think that the only person that can reprimand my child is me or my husband. If there are people who we have in our life- people who are aunts or adopted aunts then they can tell my child to behave.
Now those tiny ass shorts Melissa wore to the family function, I have a problem with them :0

[Deleted]

May 20, 2012 22:11:05 GMT -5 thejackpot said:

Really? I thought Jacqueline went overboard with the book but for the most part they were just trying to get her to come back out and play.
I don't think that the only person that can reprimand my child is me or my husband. If there are people who we have in our life- people who are aunts or adopted aunts then they can tell my child to behave.
Now those tiny ass shorts Melissa wore to the family function, I have a problem with them :0

I agree with you that they were initially just trying to get her to come back out and play. But then it seemed like they were just taunting her when she started to lose it, especially Jacqueline.

I think there is a difference between reprimanding a child for behavior like hitting or cussing vs. having the meltdown that Gia had. I think her tantrum had more to do with her anger/sadness towards the situation between Teresa and Joey than it did about being a bad sport.

[thejackpot]

I think Theresa was aware that Gia was having a meltdown and she did not respond. I think Gia behaved poorly the whole time and she should not be in the affairs of her mother and uncle. Further, I think she was using the bad blood between the adults as an excuse as children do when they are trying to manipulate the situation: she wanted to win, her team lost and she will just go off b/c she knows that her mother backs her.
Jacqueline went too far with the book and all but Caroline did not really do much besides try to calm her down and get her to go outside. Jacqueline was even worse when she presented her with the cheese- poor behavior should not be rewarded.
And if my son is having a meltdown and I am too oblivious to manage him, my loved ones should feel free to step in.

[6fsn]

Gia was acting like a brat all day. I don't really fault her. She's 10 and just had her first bra fitting on national tv, but Theresa should have pulled her aside after the first game and told her to straighten up or sit inside. I don't think Caroline did anything wrong, but Jacqueline took it too far with the book.

Ashely and Jacqueline don't have a healthy relationship, but J was in a very different place when Ashley was little. I don't think it's fair to base her parenting on that. She was basically a child when she had Ashley.

I'm surprised Juicy took the other 3 kids alone. And how did they get there? And how did they get about while they were there? He doesn't have a license.

I feel bad for Lauren and her weight issues. I hope she can be as happy as her brothers (and it did appear Chris had gained weight). The brothers kill me with just how happy they seem about life. Calling Kathy porcelain dolls, rainbows and laughter was priceless.

[blondemoment123]

I hate how they're focusing so much on Lauren's weight. She's not tiny, but she's not huge by any means. I wonder if she'll try to get the Lap Band.

[Deleted]

May 21, 2012 6:30:42 GMT -5 6fsn said:

Ashely and Jacqueline don't have a healthy relationship, but J was in a very different place when Ashley was little. I don't think it's fair to base her parenting on that. She was basically a child when she had Ashley.

Jacqueline has been married to chris for a while now. Maybe Ashley's childhood shaped their relationship but she has had it pretty good in the past 10 years or so. In many of their arguments on tv, Jacqueline makes immature comments. It's kind of like she is purposely trying to push Ashely's buttons. I'm not defending Ashley at all because she is a selfish brat. I just don't think Jacqueline knows the most effective ways to deal with a bitchy adolescent. It's almost like she brings herself down to their level rather than rising above and acting like the parent.

[purrbox]

May 21, 2012 7:05:57 GMT -5 blondemoment123 said:

I hate how they're focusing so much on Lauren's weight. She's not tiny, but she's not huge by any means. I wonder if she'll try to get the Lap Band.

Lauren's family (especially Caroline) needs to give that girl a break. Enough with her weight! Lauren seems so miserable about her self-image as a result.

[blackcat]

This was a great episode. I was really disturbed in the very beginning by how Joe was talking to Teresa in the car, telling her to shut up, keep your family away from me, I will leave you, f this and f that. He is so disgusting... and how she stands up for him! Oh he doesn't really mean it, he just talks like that, etc.

Sometimes I think Caroline and her husband say completely inappropriate things about Lauren's weight. "Would you be more attractive if you were thinner, yeah I guess" - Albert at the golf club. Who says that to their child who is uber-insecure about their weight?? They just need to encourage Lauren to do what she wants in order to feel good about herself. It also seems like she is taking the leaf of lettuce/liquid diet approach to losing the weight, also a mistake, she will be miserable and never keep it off that way.

Caroline and Jacqueline should have just ignored Gia when she was pitching her tantrum in the basement, and/or alerted Teresa to the fact that it was going on. By trying to talk to her and read her the book, it just egged her on. I didn't think what they did was out of line, per se, as Gia has practically grown up around those women so I don't think they said anything inappropriate... they just should have let Teresa handle it.

Chris always makes me laugh, loved the comment about Kathy being rainbows/children's laughter/porcelain, lol. Who was it that said something about just having to accept that Albie is just really, really attractive? I was like um, hell yes. lol.

[6fsn]

May 21, 2012 7:32:16 GMT -5 cuadrado said:

May 21, 2012 6:30:42 GMT -5 6fsn said:

Ashely and Jacqueline don't have a healthy relationship, but J was in a very different place when Ashley was little. I don't think it's fair to base her parenting on that. She was basically a child when she had Ashley.

Jacqueline has been married to chris for a while now. Maybe Ashley's childhood shaped their relationship but she has had it pretty good in the past 10 years or so. In many of their arguments on tv, Jacqueline makes immature comments. It's kind of like she is purposely trying to push Ashely's buttons. I'm not defending Ashley at all because she is a selfish brat. I just don't think Jacqueline knows the most effective ways to deal with a bitchy adolescent. It's almost like she brings herself down to their level rather than rising above and acting like the parent.

I don't disagree with this, except that I think J established a friend relationship with A before she ever established a parent one. It's hard to turn into the parent when the kid is 8.

[lemondrop]

May 20, 2012 22:04:27 GMT -5 cuadrado said:

Spoilers....

I am not a fan of Teresa this season but I did not agree with Jacqueline and Caroline talking to Gia and reading that book to her about being a bad sport. Gia was throwing a temper tantrum and acting like a brat, but she is not their child.

And as a side note, the LAST person I would want parenting my child would be Jacqueline. You can tell when she bickers with Ashley that she does not have the best parenting techniques.

All of this. Did you catch when Jacqueline told Theresa this is the age Ashley started to behave badly?

Caroline was such a bitch about this. Yes, Gia needs to learn to listen to other adults, but other adults shouldn't have been parenting her. That's what they were doing. They weren't trying to make her feel better.

I thought Kathy's talk with Gia was really good, though. It was supportive without her coming off as trying to parent Gia.

I don't get how everyone thinks Theresa should be shielding Gia and the other girls from their dad's legal trouble and her fight with Joe. It just doesn't seem possible without stopping the show. They keep saying Gia knows too much, but there's not much else that can be done. Even if she quit the show, tabloids would continue to feature stories about them for years.

[sunshine608]

May 21, 2012 12:50:33 GMT -5 @mavjen said:

May 21, 2012 6:30:42 GMT -5 6fsn said:

Gia was acting like a brat all day. I don't really fault her. She's 10 and just had her first bra fitting on national tv, but Theresa should have pulled her aside after the first game and told her to straighten up or sit inside. I don't think Caroline did anything wrong, but Jacqueline took it too far with the book.

Ashely and Jacqueline don't have a healthy relationship, but J was in a very different place when Ashley was little. I don't think it's fair to base her parenting on that. She was basically a child when she had Ashley.



And LOL about the Kathy being porcelain, rainbows and the laughter of a child. I think the Manzo kids and their friend Greg (?) are hysterical.

I watched the show in HD last night and Melissa should not have been wearing those shorts. She has a mega-hot body, but dude.

I agree with everything you said. Those shorts were ridic for a family gathering.

I grew up with "other mothers" but they were usually close family friends and in the end, I don't think Tre and Jacqueline (or Caroline) are really close enough to ( help) parent each other's children. There are some people who have that authority with my children and there are some that don't. Caroline reminded me of some of my aunts who will call you out for stuff like that in a tough love way. Jacqueline reading the book almost seemed mean-spirited and antagonistic.

I agree with Caroline though that her handling of it reinforced Gia's tantrum.

I feel bad for Lauren as she struggles with her weight. It was interesting that she called her dad out for getting the lap band and trying to give her advice. Looking at the prom picture she has lost a lot of weight which is good for her.

ETA: Fixed my posting in the middle of pps quote issue.

[katie829]

I was so pissed when Albert said that he was happy that his daughter was chubby because boys didn't want to date a chubby girl. That broke my heart.
I wonder if she will go through with a breast reduction. Her boobs are huge and probably don't help her feel thin because they are so out there.

Maybe I was a brat as a kid, but if I was having a meltdown, I would want my mom as well and not a lecture from Caroline and Jacqueline. I still think they went too far. Kathy on the other hand is her actual family and really did help to alleviate the situation. Kathy is probably my favorite housewife of all time.

[mmp]

Lauren has lost a ton of weight since this season was filmed.

[LateToTheParty]

May 21, 2012 15:08:03 GMT -5 katie829 said:

I was so pissed when Albert said that he was happy that his daughter was chubby because boys didn't want to date a chubby girl. That broke my heart.
I wonder if she will go through with a breast reduction. Her boobs are huge and probably don't help her feel thin because they are so out there.

Maybe I was a brat as a kid, but if I was having a meltdown, I would want my mom as well and not a lecture from Caroline and Jacqueline. I still think they went too far. Kathy on the other hand is her actual family and really did help to alleviate the situation. Kathy is probably my favorite housewife of all time.

I thought that was such a strange thing to say too! I was like did he really just say that? I don't know what the deal is but with the comments Al and Caroline make about her weight it's no surprise she has a weight problem.

Also, when Caroline was saying how she was always so "tiny" so Lauren must gets her weight problem from her Dad I was thinking to myself, Caroline hasn't been petite the whole time she has been on the show so I don't know why she is acting like she has never had a problem with her weight.

It seems like Caroline has no interest in really being on the show anymore other than to promote her sons BLK drink (I don't even understand what it is but they always seem to product place it here and there.)

As far as Gia's meltdown, I didn't have a problem with Caroline and Jaqueline talking to her but I think it would have been better to let Gia sit alone inside for a while to let her calm down a bit and not try to lecture her at that moment in time. I think Gia was being a spoil sport but I think she may have been also been bothered that her mom didn't come in to check on her and Caroline and Jaqueline just escalated the situation.

Also, I don't think Joe and the other kids went to the shore. I'm sure he just stayed home and the other kids probably either stayed with him or the grandparents.

[thejackpot]

BLK is a Manzo thing? I could not for the life of me figure that one out.
It does show up a lot.

[blackcat]

WOW, yup, Lauren has lost a lot of weight, check out this most recent pic (having trouble PIP, sorry)

www.wetpaint.com/real-housewives-of-new-jersey/articles/weight-loss-alert-lauren-manzo-sheds-unwanted-pounds-photo

[miss1991]

May 21, 2012 15:08:03 GMT -5 katie829 said:

I was so pissed when Albert said that he was happy that his daughter was chubby because boys didn't want to date a chubby girl. That broke my heart.
I wonder if she will go through with a breast reduction. Her boobs are huge and probably don't help her feel thin because they are so out there.

Maybe I was a brat as a kid, but if I was having a meltdown, I would want my mom as well and not a lecture from Caroline and Jacqueline. I still think they went too far. Kathy on the other hand is her actual family and really did help to alleviate the situation. Kathy is probably my favorite housewife of all time.

I agree with everything here.

I also believe only parent's should be involved in disciplining or reprimanding children. My sil loves to get involved with my kid's discipline and I don't put up with it, she has no kids and we have different values/morals for the most part and it is my responsiibilty not her's. I know my kid's best not her. Now if she was watching them and they did not listen or something that would be different.

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May 21, 2012 11:46:34 GMT -5 gravytrain225 said:

May 21, 2012 11:09:55 GMT -5 lemondrop said:

All of this. Did you catch when Jacqueline told Theresa this is the age Ashley started to behave badly?

Caroline was such a bitch about this. Yes, Gia needs to learn to listen to other adults, but other adults shouldn't have been parenting her. That's what they were doing. They weren't trying to make her feel better.

I thought Kathy's talk with Gia was really good, though. It was supportive without her coming off as trying to parent Gia.

I don't get how everyone thinks Theresa should be shielding Gia and the other girls from their dad's legal trouble and her fight with Joe. It just doesn't seem possible without stopping the show. They keep saying Gia knows too much, but there's not much else that can be done. Even if she quit the show, tabloids would continue to feature stories about them for years.

Growing up, I never knew when my mom was fighting with my aunts or uncles. Now that I am older, I know some of the gossip. When I was 10, everyone acted normal around the kids. I am glad that I didn't know family drama when I was that age.

yeah, but things may have been a little more difficult to hide if every fight was documented on national television.

[demelza]

I'm dying to see Melissa in those tiny shorts you guys are talking about..... anyone got a screen grab or pic??? We canceled cable.....

[eclaires]

I thought it was terrible that Caroline told Lauren she couldn't have a breast reduction or whatever that was about when she was talking to Jacqueline. I just had a breast reduction (less than a week ago) and I am so so so happy I did it and I don't even have the tape and surgical bra off yet. That really made me dislike Caroline even more - and I already dislike her a lot b/c she's bossy and I hate the way she talks to Lauren about her weight. Plus, like she is in great shape herself? Ugh.

I also thought she and Jacqueline just made things worse with Gia. They should have left her alone. I know Theresa left her alone, so maybe that is how you should handle Gia? I mean, for as much as Theresa is crazy, she does seem pretty involved with her girls. I think she maybe knew Gia needed to go in and cool off before anyone started reprimanding her and that's why she left her alone or told her to go in and sit alone if she didn't want to participate.

[Deleted]

Here's a link to a slide show pic but you don't get the full effect unless you see them from the back:

www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-jersey/season-4/photos/show-shots/spoiled-sports#image-123187

[Sunshine6081]

May 21, 2012 19:44:04 GMT -5 thejackpot said:

BLK is a Manzo thing? I could not for the life of me figure that one out.
It does show up a lot.

It's some kind of water the invested in last season. Black water.

[martygras]

May 21, 2012 20:39:29 GMT -5 blackcat said:

WOW, yup, Lauren has lost a lot of weight, check out this most recent pic (having trouble PIP, sorry)

www.wetpaint.com/real-housewives-of-new-jersey/articles/weight-loss-alert-lauren-manzo-sheds-unwanted-pounds-photo

Whoa! Congrats to her, that's really impressive. I wonder if it's all from that diet or something else?

[moog]

Just FYI if you read the blogs, you will see that Gia wanted her bra segment to be filmed. They gave her the option and that's what she wanted.

[Deleted]

I'm assuming it's an excerpt from the blogs on bravotv.com:
www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-jersey/season-4/blogs/teresa-giudice/not-ok?page=0,1

"So, poor Gia. First of all, I think she was very brave to allow the audience to go bra shopping with her. That was her decision, and it's a big part of her life, and she wanted to share it. She wants other little girls to see how comfortable she is talking to her mommy, so they will feel the same way. She's really growing up, and I'm so proud of her. I love her sooo much, and I love being her mommy. I get that she doesn't think I'm funny, but that makes things even funnier to me!"

[tardyfortheparty]

May 28, 2012 12:07:31 GMT -5 cuadrado said:

I'm assuming it's an excerpt from the blogs on bravotv.com:
www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-jersey/season-4/blogs/teresa-giudice/not-ok?page=0,1

"So, poor Gia. First of all, I think she was very brave to allow the audience to go bra shopping with her. That was her decision, and it's a big part of her life, and she wanted to share it. She wants other little girls to see how comfortable she is talking to her mommy, so they will feel the same way. She's really growing up, and I'm so proud of her. I love her sooo much, and I love being her mommy. I get that she doesn't think I'm funny, but that makes things even funnier to me!"

I wouldn't put it past Teresa to lie & say it was what Gia wanted. Or for Gia to agree to it just to make her mother happy. I just think it was very exploitative for Teresa to allow it to be filmed & only contributes more to my low opinion of her.