OMFG HG! This isn't about whether or not you remember what Charlemagne did from your 7th grade history class. This is basic fucking common sense.
Between this and the fact that you can't even figure out how to cook vegetables... I'm not quite sure about you. Do you really walk through your entire life in such a fog? Are you being willfully ignorant?!
So me not knowing about politics and not knowing how to cook vegetables makes me ignorant? Awesome. Just ignore the fact I'm actively trying to learn about them from people I assumed would have a clue. Can't argue with your logic there imoan 8-D
Oh, architecture? Think you can just build any building you want to any particular standard you like, anytime anywhere? Maybe if you don't care about government.... you CAN!
The government doesn't have a whole lot of say in building codes, it's a pretty well balanced organization. Not sure what you are going for there.
I think it's necessary to educate yourself so that you DO understand how to pick a candidate and what choices you will have when you go and vote. Saying you didn't pay attention to government class in highschool is a poor excuse. There are unbiased resources out there that will give you direction so you know what you're doing.
HG- if you REALLY can't see your ignorance on this topic, I'm not sure what to tell you. Actually... your thoughts on voting are borderline offensive to the poor people who DIED to give you this right.
It'd be one thing if you came in here all "Guys, I know NOTHING and I'd love for someone to point me in a good direction so I can knowledge-up on the various candidates". But you were like sticking your fingers in your ears going "Voting isn't important because a dem or republican will always win! Government matters are boring! I was about art in high school, teehee!". You REALLY can't see how dumb that makes you look?!
I think it's necessary to educate yourself so that you DO understand how to pick a candidate and what choices you will have when you go and vote. Saying you didn't pay attention to government class in highschool is a poor excuse. There are unbiased resources out there that will give you direction so you know what you're doing.
ETA: I hated government class and I still managed to figure out how to pick a candidate and use my right to vote. Sheesh.
I didn't pay attention in HS. I'm trying to pay attention now. I have looked for unbiased websites. I have taken this quiz thing that told me who I'm 70% for. I just don't think 70% is good enough, or necessarily worth my time to vote.
Oh, architecture? Think you can just build any building you want to any particular standard you like, anytime anywhere? Maybe if you don't care about government.... you CAN!
The government doesn't have a whole lot of say in building codes, it's a pretty well balanced organization. Not sure what you are going for there.
The government has a great deal to say about where, when and how those buildings are constructed. That empty lot on the corner next to that elementary? Yeah, the people you're not voting for get to decide whether the CVS or the "internet cafe" get to go there
I think it's necessary to educate yourself so that you DO understand how to pick a candidate and what choices you will have when you go and vote. Saying you didn't pay attention to government class in highschool is a poor excuse. There are unbiased resources out there that will give you direction so you know what you're doing.
ETA: I hated government class and I still managed to figure out how to pick a candidate and use my right to vote. Sheesh.
I didn't pay attention in HS. I'm trying to pay attention now. I have looked for unbiased websites. I have taken this quiz thing that told me who I'm 70% for. I just don't think 70% is good enough, or necessarily worth my time to vote.
Well, what candidate did you have the lowest percentage alignment with? Maybe it's worth voting for the person you agree with 70% of the time to avoid a person you agree with 30% of the time from getting into office.
Also, here's a little litmus test for you: what's your stance on abortion?
HG- if you REALLY can't see your ignorance on this topic, I'm not sure what to tell you. Actually... your thoughts on voting are borderline offensive to the poor people who DIED to give you this right.
It'd be one thing if you came in here all "Guys, I know NOTHING and I'd love for someone to point me in a good direction so I can knowledge-up on the various candidates". But you were like sticking your fingers in your ears going "Voting isn't important because a dem or republican will always win! Government matters are boring! I was about art in high school, teehee!". You REALLY can't see how dumb that makes you look?!
I think I've been really honest here about not knowing a damn thing about it and being flamed about it, and someone else brought up learning about it in school, which was a decade ago. Tee fucking hee. I wrote the reasons I had for not thinking it's worth it to vote, and asked you all to talk to me about it. I'm sorry if that is read as sticking my fingers in my ears and la de da.
Post by fussbucket on Oct 24, 2012 15:09:27 GMT -5
Also if you are looking for high quality, nonpartisan voter information try the League of Women Voters. The League is almost everywhere so far as I know, even for more local stuff. And maybe read up a bit on the League's history (um wait, check that, their PAST) while you're at it.
HG, is part of the issue that you think elections don't really affect you? Do you feel like it doesn't matter who's in power?
I know they affect me, Obama has done some stuff that has affected us directly so it's not that. I just feel my vote doesn't matter? I didn't vote in NCs electoral, as (fuss?) pointed out, I guess since I'm here now I could vote for whom I want and maybe they'll see that and I can focus on voting on the next electoral.
Also, if you're in North Carolina, it's still considered a swing state this election so your vote might actually matter! Just ask the 500-ish voters in Florida back in the 2000 election if every vote counts. Or my sister, who was one of a few dozen voters who changed the outcome of our state's gubernatorial election when her absentee ballot was incorrectly excluded.
Ok, on the building code thing, I know the government is involved in building codes, but I also know that they are written by/with a lot of people/ organizations with the intent of safety and egress. I'm seriously like, 6 weeks into that class now so I'm sorry I'm not super knowledgable about it.
HG- if you REALLY can't see your ignorance on this topic, I'm not sure what to tell you. Actually... your thoughts on voting are borderline offensive to the poor people who DIED to give you this right.
It'd be one thing if you came in here all "Guys, I know NOTHING and I'd love for someone to point me in a good direction so I can knowledge-up on the various candidates". But you were like sticking your fingers in your ears going "Voting isn't important because a dem or republican will always win! Government matters are boring! I was about art in high school, teehee!". You REALLY can't see how dumb that makes you look?!
I think I've been really honest here about not knowing a damn thing about it and being flamed about it, and someone else brought up learning about it in school, which was a decade ago. Tee fucking hee. I wrote the reasons I had for not thinking it's worth it to vote, and asked you all to talk to me about it. I'm sorry if that is read as sticking my fingers in my ears and la de da.
I'll be honest with you HG, I don't feel like I fully grasp every issue on every ballot. But I have grasped the importance of civic involvement and continue exercising my right as a voter while continuing to educate myself.
I think this is a very different concept than, say, not perfoming surgery on someone until you've finished med school
The state of Virginia just voted in restrictive building codes against the will of most major organizations for the sole purpose of closing abortion clinics. Other medical offices can be grandfathered in, but not abortion providers. A couple of politicians have resigned in protest.
This shit matters, yo.
ETA: I shouldn't have said "voted" since this decision was made by the AG and Governor Forced Ultrasound. But it will affect how I vote in the future.
I didn't pay attention in HS. I'm trying to pay attention now. I have looked for unbiased websites. I have taken this quiz thing that told me who I'm 70% for. I just don't think 70% is good enough, or necessarily worth my time to vote.
Well, what candidate did you have the lowest percentage alignment with? Maybe it's worth voting for the person you agree with 70% of the time to avoid a person you agree with 30% of the time from getting into office.
Also, here's a little litmus test for you: what's your stance on abortion?
-ignoring everything surround HG, getting back to the OP-
I'm voting, but I do feel disillusioned by the voting process. I feel like the only ones with real influence are those with deep pockets--that corporations are shaping our policies, not the public.
However, there are some issues I feel strongly about so I'm going to vote anyway.
I do a ton of research into the issues--I enjoy reading about both sides of all the issues and really digging deep. I admit I don't do as much research in regards to electing judges and such.
How do I feel about those that -never- vote? Well, annoyed. I remember during the last election a lot of local elections in my state came down to the wire--some were only 5 to 10 votes difference.
In HS. It's been 10 years, I don't have any retention for that kind of stuff. And my senior year, my teacher was literally fired for being drunk during class so...yeah. Good times.
Thanks fuss and fein.
Isn't voting at an all time low? Or is that just another ploy I hear to get people to vote?
God, I know...the other day I was driving down the street, and it suddenly hit me that I've been driving for, like 14 years and I absolutely cannot retain information in my mind that long so I just threw my hands up and hoped for the best because I just plum forgot.
Jesus take the wheel!
Apparently I've forgotten my sense of humor too. Unless you were serious, in which case I do see drivers often in VA who seem like they've forgotten how to drive.
Post by pinkplasticdoll on Oct 24, 2012 15:22:15 GMT -5
I don't see why that would be discouraging. Your nonsense excuses are really getting on my nerves. Go to the library and find a high school government book to catch up a little bit. Better yet maybe you can audit a college government class.
How do I feel about those that -never- vote? Well, annoyed. I remember during the last election a lot of local elections in my state came down to the wire--some were only 5 to 10 votes difference.
Yes it's crazy like that in our town. I get so frustrated when I see only 3,000 people out of 25,000 come out to vote in our elections. 12%? Really?
I don't see why that would be discouraging. Your nonsense excuses are really getting on my nerves. Go to the library and find a high school government book to catch up a little bit. Better yet maybe you can audit a college government class.
I don't think 53 and 60% are enough. 70% is the bare minimum, but he doesn't have a chance. I find that discouraging. And I'm blockable, if my questions and "nonsense" is really that grating.
HG, then decide what's most important to you: voting for a candidate who you agree with on science? or foreign policy? or social policy? or domestic policy? etc.
You must have certain issues that you care about, right? The environment? Women's rights? Guns? Something?