I still don't know why the ordering only water makes you cheap. I don't like pop and I'm picky with my cocktails. Plus, I'd rather get dessert
I don't think the only ordering water is the thing, it's the what PP called "white trash lemonade."
I only order water, we don't drink soda anymore. I don't care if the waiter dislikes that. But we also order a lot of wine, so I'm sure it's not a big deal. haha
FWIW, at one of the restaurants where I was a server if a table left without paying their bill, (and I'm talking entire bill, not tip) the server was expected to pay for the bill that night when they cashed out. If they didn't, they were written up which could and did inevitably lead to many being fired...
FWIW, at one of the restaurants where I was a server if a table left without paying their bill, (and I'm talking entire bill, not tip) the server was expected to pay for the bill that night when they cashed out. If they didn't, they were written up which could and did inevitably lead to many being fired...
Yes, this is how it worked at the restaurant I worked at. At the end of the night, the waiter owed a certain amount of money for the food and drinks sold and that was that. I think that is totally unfair, man. I couldn't believe that shit when I heard it.
I still don't know why the ordering only water makes you cheap. I don't like pop and I'm picky with my cocktails. Plus, I'd rather get dessert
When I was living in Spain, and I had a super annoying girl at my lunch table outside. It was about 2 waiters for 30-something tables. She starts rantingto the waiter, "HELLO! OVER HERE! EL CHEQUE (not the word for check in Spain, btw) POR FAVOR! Ugh. This doesn't happen in America!!!"
I get when eating abroad in other countries, it can be frustrating because it feels like you're being ignore. HOWEVER, it will say I enjoy that they don't try to rush you out of the restaurant either. I loathe when you're not even close to finishing your dinner, then the waiter comes by with a check and says in a phony voice, "I'll just leave this here. No rush, really." And they didn't even ask if I want dessert!
It doesn't. But obviously, the more the check is, the more your tip generally is.
A lot of corporate restaurants require that your server ask you if you'd specifically like one of their signature drinks, "May I offer you a Mega Margarita this evening?" I think this may make some servers look like they expect you to order an alcoholic drink (or appetizer, dessert, whatever), when that isn't necessarily the case.
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Post by Jalapeñomel on Feb 1, 2013 16:31:12 GMT -5
At the Olive Garden, during lunch, anyone who ordered the all-you-can-eat soup salad and breadsticks waslabeled as shitty tippers. You had to run your ass off for them, and since their meal was like $9.99, you'd get a $2 for a whole helluva lot of work.
Anytime a family with a little kid came in, all of the servers would shout, "Not me!" not necessarily because of shitty tipping but because of the mess (not always or every parent or family).
Or if people came in and tipped only on the food and not on the alcohol and were repeat customers, they got profiled into the bad tipping category.
At the Olive Garden, during lunch, anyone who ordered the all-you-can-eat soup salad and breadsticks waslabeled as shitty tippers. You had to run your ass off for them, and since their meal was like $9.99, you'd get a $2 for a whole helluva lot of work.
Anytime a family with a little kid came in, all of the servers would shout, "Not me!" not necessarily because of shitty tipping but because of the mess (not always or every parent or family).
Or if people came in and tipped only on the food and not on the alcohol and were repeat customers, they got profiled into the bad tipping category.
I hated people who did not clean up after their kid. I had one table who let their kid scatter all the sugar packets all over the table and floor and then just left it like that. If you would not do that in your own house, don't do it in public.
I still clean up after my girls, including the floor.
Well, I think it's rude not to tip for GOOD service. BUT I do not think for a second the onus is on the patron to pay for the wages except through the bill. If you are willing to work for only a guaranteed $2.50/hour, well that's not smart.
At the Olive Garden, during lunch, anyone who ordered the all-you-can-eat soup salad and breadsticks waslabeled as shitty tippers. You had to run your ass off for them, and since their meal was like $9.99, you'd get a $2 for a whole helluva lot of work.
Anytime a family with a little kid came in, all of the servers would shout, "Not me!" not necessarily because of shitty tipping but because of the mess (not always or every parent or family).
Or if people came in and tipped only on the food and not on the alcohol and were repeat customers, they got profiled into the bad tipping category.
I hated people who did not clean up after their kid. I had one table who let their kid scatter all the sugar packets all over the table and floor and then just left it like that. If you would not do that in your own house, don't do it in public.
I still clean up after my girls, including the floor.
I think that most normal parents do clean up after their children, but that one family can ruin it for everyone!
Post by mommylikestattoos on Feb 1, 2013 17:19:26 GMT -5
I once had a customer return to my restaurant the next day and try to demand I return some of the previous nights tip, because they accidentally double tipped me when they didn't realize the gratuity was added. I absolutely refused, even though the manager/owners were pressuring me hard.
We didn't have a computerized system, it was one of the old cash register systems that prints on the check each time something is ordered. Because it was a large party with several rounds of drinks ordered it caused the total to run over onto the back of the check. It was hand written in THREE separate places that my tip was included- on the front, along the margin on the back, as well as where I clearly added my 18% to the total.
The table paid cash, I closed out the check and was walking back to the table to return the change. The customer (the father, it was a family out celebrating something) said to keep it, it was for me. I obviously knew it was an extremely generous tip with the extra change added in, but I didn't question it. If I'm remembering correctly, it was something like turning my $35 tip into $60-70. It certainly doesn't happen often, but I'd gotten extremely generous tips in the past, so it's not like I ran out chasing after the people to return the overage.
I was almost fired over not giving the tip back, but continued to refuse. I made the very valid point that it was clearly marked on their bill in several places, plus I had already tipped out the bar and busboys the previous night based on the percentage of my earned tips. If they had come back in that evening, I would have begrudgingly returned their money, but this was a day or two later. Fair game.
I would never have the balls to return to a restaurant if I accidentally over tipped and demand the server pay back some of the money!! What says the bored?
Post by mommylikestattoos on Feb 1, 2013 17:40:30 GMT -5
This whole thread is making me think of the movie "Waiting." I love that movie, it totally nailed all the stereotypes.
And on crappy nights when I made less then minimum wage, I NEVER had management compensate me! I've never even heard of that being a law... But over the course of a week the good nights made up for it and it always averaged out.
This whole thread is making me think of the movie "Waiting." I love that movie, it totally nailed all the stereotypes.
And on crappy nights when I made less then minimum wage, I NEVER had management compensate me! I've never even heard of that being a law... But over the course of a week the good nights made up for it and it always averaged out.
It goes by the pay period- so if you worked 40 hours, you had to make a base of minimum x hours. So, if one night was really good and the next was bad, you may never see it.
This whole thread is making me think of the movie "Waiting." I love that movie, it totally nailed all the stereotypes.
And on crappy nights when I made less then minimum wage, I NEVER had management compensate me! I've never even heard of that being a law... But over the course of a week the good nights made up for it and it always averaged out.
When I had a week that didn't average out to min wage, my managers tried to tell me to claim more in tips than I got so that it looked like I made min wage. When I refused, the manager said I needed to turn all my tips over to her so that she could count them and enter it in. I said no to that, too.
Lol.. In the completely opposite direction, I went out with my friends drinking and got good and drunk. At the end of the night I tipped then left. The next morning I checked my receipt and realized I was a little slow (thanks to the alcohol) and only tipped 10%. I went back the next evening, requested to see the same bartender and then gave him the rest of the tip (that he should have gotten in the first place). Every time I went back there I got VIP service. Lol!
I have done a similar thing, except it was that I failed to tip at all. I felt so bad I went back the next day and tipped like 30%.
DH used to manage a corporate restaurant. If someone failed to tip, he would ask them if they were unhappy with the service. (some people had legitimate complaints and the restaurant wanted to rectify it) If they indicated they liked the service but couldn't afford to tip, didn't like tipping, etc. he would politely tell them that the server deserved to be compensated for their work and if the guest didn't feel they could provide adequate compensation for good service then they were no longer welcome. It was company policy. This server is right in her interview: if you want good services from good servers you need to pay for it. DH's restaurant felt that keeping good servers was worth more than keeping a cheap ass customer. Granted, Applebee's tends to attract some really trashy clientele from what I've seen.
If a restaurant manager said that to to me (the bolded part) I would have told him/her that perhaps they should increase the wages of their staff and not pay them $2.75/hour (or whatever the restaurant min. wage is), you know, so they're properly compensated.
We used to go to this coffee shop all the time and they had a tip cup at the front register. I'd order a $4 latte and I always tipped a $1 in the tip cup as I was paying for the coffee.
Once when we were leaving the shop, the manager runs out after me shouting "Excuse me! Did you leave a tip?" I was with a few friends and actually embarrassed. I said "Yes I left a tip. I left $1 like I do every single time I'm here." Then the manager looked embarrassed and said "oh sorry".
I was kind of pissed because this is a freakin' cup of coffee. I'm here all the time. If I hadn't tipped that day was it really necessary to chase me down in the parking lot about a tip for a $4 cup of coffee? Weird.
DH used to manage a corporate restaurant. If someone failed to tip, he would ask them if they were unhappy with the service. (some people had legitimate complaints and the restaurant wanted to rectify it) If they indicated they liked the service but couldn't afford to tip, didn't like tipping, etc. he would politely tell them that the server deserved to be compensated for their work and if the guest didn't feel they could provide adequate compensation for good service then they were no longer welcome. It was company policy. This server is right in her interview: if you want good services from good servers you need to pay for it. DH's restaurant felt that keeping good servers was worth more than keeping a cheap ass customer. Granted, Applebee's tends to attract some really trashy clientele from what I've seen.
If a restaurant manager said that to to me (the bolded part) I would have told him/her that perhaps they should increase the wages of their staff and not pay them $2.75/hour (or whatever the restaurant min. wage is), you know, so they're properly compensated.
That would have solved everything! Seriously guys. Yes, servers are not paid minimum wage. You (should) know this going in. Splitting hairs is fun and stuff, but you could be fucking with someone's livelihood here.
Well I guess this is a when in Rome kind of thing. In the south, servers make $2 and hour and everyone knows that. If you give a shitty tip, that server is NOT going to get compensated by their boss. I leave 15% for good service. I'll do more for really good service. I'd only go under 15% if the service was really bad.
I just can't imagine eating out, not tipping, and justifying it by saying it's the fault of the owner for not paying their employees. I don't know about other places but $2.35 an hour plus tips is extremely common in the south. If someone didn't step up to take the job, we'd have no servers.
We used to go to this coffee shop all the time and they had a tip cup at the front register. I'd order a $4 latte and I always tipped a $1 in the tip cup as I was paying for the coffee.
Once when we were leaving the shop, the manager runs out after me shouting "Excuse me! Did you leave a tip?" I was with a few friends and actually embarrassed. I said "Yes I left a tip. I left $1 like I do every single time I'm here." Then the manager looked embarrassed and said "oh sorry".
I was kind of pissed because this is a freakin' cup of coffee. I'm here all the time. If I hadn't tipped that day was it really necessary to chase me down in the parking lot about a tip for a $4 cup of coffee? Weird.
This is when tipping starts to get out of hand. Do you tip the guy at McDonald's who plates your food? Or the guy who gets you a cone at DQ? What about the guy who bags your groceries at the grocery store? Where does it end?
And when people expect a tip that just really rubs me the wrong way.
We used to go to this coffee shop all the time and they had a tip cup at the front register. I'd order a $4 latte and I always tipped a $1 in the tip cup as I was paying for the coffee.
Once when we were leaving the shop, the manager runs out after me shouting "Excuse me! Did you leave a tip?" I was with a few friends and actually embarrassed. I said "Yes I left a tip. I left $1 like I do every single time I'm here." Then the manager looked embarrassed and said "oh sorry".
I was kind of pissed because this is a freakin' cup of coffee. I'm here all the time. If I hadn't tipped that day was it really necessary to chase me down in the parking lot about a tip for a $4 cup of coffee? Weird.
This is when tipping starts to get out of hand. Do you tip the guy at McDonald's who plates your food? Or the guy who gets you a cone at DQ? What about the guy who bags your groceries at the grocery store? Where does it end?
And when people expect a tip that just really rubs me the wrong way.
EDIT: This isn't directed at you Sydney, it's the "big picture you."
I agree that tipping can go a little far. But I will always tip when I know someone is not making minimum wage and that their job relies on tips. Here in restaurants those servers work for tips. At the end of the night when they are cleaning french fries from under the table and cleaning up people's mess, they are working for $2.35 an hour. If they didn't make decent tips, their hourly pay will barely cover their gas to get there.
Fast food places where people make an hourly rate I don't tip but then I'm not in those places much. Do they have tip jars at McDonalds? That would be weird.
The craziest place I ever saw a tip jar was at the entrance of this line dancing club we used to go to in the 90s. The lady at the front would take your money and stamp your hand if you were under 21. She used to have a tip jar there. I was like WTF am I tipping her for? For taking my $10 so I can get into the club? The people in my group used to tip $1 each so I ended up tipping each week so I didn't look like a tight ass. That was the only tip jar that ever pissed me off, lol.