I keep seeing military folks complaining about the shutdown, and it impacting their pay. (active duty folks who all know that even if there is a shutdown, they will get paid eventually, just not on time)
It confuses me. This isn't the first shutdown in recent history that has impacted military pay. It's not like we haven't seen this before. Keeping a bit of money in savings should have been a lesson from the last shutdown...
Heck, there are several banks/lenders that are offering various forms of relief for servicemembers, up to, and including one bank that has said they will just keep depositing the regular direct deposit into servicemembers accounts during the shutdown. (Our bank is offering 0% loans for the duration of the shutdown.) So, at this point, I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for folks that are freaking out over it.
(I am not talking about those who will be impacted by a shutdown with actual loss of income, instead of simply a delay of income, those are two different situations, and actual loss of income is worth getting pissed off about)
I find this incredibly flameful. You're saying you wouldn't be upset if you were told you weren't going to get paid for an undetermined amount of time? You should have planned for it? Not everyone qualifies for a loan at 0%. A lot of military families are one income with children, so its a major freaking inconvenience to be going to work every day and not get paid. I find it to be even worse because of what they do for our country. Voluntarily.
Are you really insinuating that Fed Civilians don't do just as important work for our country? Or that they don't do it voluntarily? Because claiming that is truly flameful and insulting.
Saying that people that have live in the Fed Govt world in any way shape or form should not be blindsided or shocked this is happening, isn't. If someone is truly shocked, they haven't been paying attention.
I find this incredibly flameful. You're saying you wouldn't be upset if you were told you weren't going to get paid for an undetermined amount of time? You should have planned for it? Not everyone qualifies for a loan at 0%. A lot of military families are one income with children, so its a major freaking inconvenience to be going to work every day and not get paid. I find it to be even worse because of what they do for our country. Voluntarily.
Are you really insinuating that Fed Civilians don't do just as important work for our country? Or that they don't do it voluntarily? Because claiming that is truly flameful and insulting.
Saying that people that have live in the Fed Govt world in any way shape or form should not be blindsided or shocked this is happening, isn't. If someone is truly shocked, they haven't been paying attention.
I find this incredibly flameful. You're saying you wouldn't be upset if you were told you weren't going to get paid for an undetermined amount of time? You should have planned for it? Not everyone qualifies for a loan at 0%. A lot of military families are one income with children, so its a major freaking inconvenience to be going to work every day and not get paid. I find it to be even worse because of what they do for our country. Voluntarily.
Are you really insinuating that Fed Civilians don't do just as important work for our country? Or that they don't do it voluntarily? Because claiming that is truly flameful and insulting.
Saying that people that have live in the Fed Govt world in any way shape or form should not be blindsided or shocked this is happening, isn't. If someone is truly shocked, they haven't been paying attention.
I don't think she's insinuating that at all. The OP directed her comments at military workers so the response was intended to defend military workers.
Are you really insinuating that Fed Civilians don't do just as important work for our country? Or that they don't do it voluntarily? Because claiming that is truly flameful and insulting.
Saying that people that have live in the Fed Govt world in any way shape or form should not be blindsided or shocked this is happening, isn't. If someone is truly shocked, they haven't been paying attention.
This feels like you're trying to pick a fight.
And you weren't trying to pick a fight with audette?
Depends on what you as saying is "even worse" for the military than for everyone else employed by the Fed Govt and why the military's "important work they do for the country" is more important than the work done by Fed Civilian workers who aren't receiving any assurances that they will eventually get paid.
Are you really insinuating that Fed Civilians don't do just as important work for our country? Or that they don't do it voluntarily? Because claiming that is truly flameful and insulting.
Saying that people that have live in the Fed Govt world in any way shape or form should not be blindsided or shocked this is happening, isn't. If someone is truly shocked, they haven't been paying attention.
I don't think she's insinuating that at all. The OP directed her comments at military workers so the response was intended to defend military workers.
But her comments used comparison terms, saying the military has is worse--if not the rest of the Fed Govt workers, then who is the "even worse" aimed at? That is the only logical group I can she the comparison being logical in this conversation.
And you weren't trying to pick a fight with audette?
Depends on what you as saying is "even worse" for the military than for everyone else employed by the Fed Govt and why the military's "important work they do for the country" is more important than the work done by Fed Civilian workers who aren't receiving any assurances that they will eventually get paid.
Not really. I stated that I thought that was flameful, and listed the reasons why I thought so.
But yeah, I think the work that the military does is important, and dangerous. I think that everyone deserves their money, of course.
If you asked me which was more important - military, police, nurses, and firefighters or bus boys, taxi drivers, and lawyers I'd go with the former.
And you weren't trying to pick a fight with audette?
Depends on what you as saying is "even worse" for the military than for everyone else employed by the Fed Govt and why the military's "important work they do for the country" is more important than the work done by Fed Civilian workers who aren't receiving any assurances that they will eventually get paid.
Not really. I stated that I thought that was flameful, and listed the reasons why I thought so.
But yeah, I think the work that the military does is important, and dangerous. I think that everyone deserves their money, of course.
If you asked me which was more important - military, police, nurses, and firefighters or bus boys, taxi drivers, and lawyers I'd go with the former.
No I asked you if you thought the military was more important then the rest of the Fed Govt employees (who don't have the assurances they will eventually get their pay). The military has it worse than NBA players, but that has nothing to do with my original question. But I'll take your avoidance of answering the question directly as my answer. And I'll stand by my original statement of flamefulness.
If I was just looking for a fight, I'd now ask you what you think of military police, military nurses, military firefighters, military bus boys, military taxi drivers, and military lawyers--because all the professions you listed exist in the military and will be getting their pay, while the Fed Civ equivalents might not.
As I tried to say initially - so many federal employees are going to be hit really hard by a shutdown, and hit harder than servicemembers. The military, overall, has a lot of support systems in place for finances if pay is suspended for some reason. Many of those support systems do not exist for federal workers. It's bad press to be mean to servicemembers and their families, so as a whole, we tend to get sympathy. Regardless of if that sympathy is earned or not (opinions vary on that). That sympathy does not extend to federal workers and their families, even if a good chunk of them deserve it just as much.
I'm drinking a beer that's a month old. But it's a Heineken so it doesn't really matter.
I'm not a beer drinker, but why is this a bad thing? Is it because you opened it and are just now coming back to it?
It's a can of beer so I don't know how long they are good for. Or is it more flameful that I usually drink all the beer that comes into my fridge right away?
I'm not a beer drinker, but why is this a bad thing? Is it because you opened it and are just now coming back to it?
It's a can of beer so I don't know how long they are good for. Or is it more flameful that I usually drink all the beer that comes into my fridge right away?
I honestly assumed a somewhat indefinite shelf life if temperatures are stable. I mean, the quality/taste might suffer a little, but my palate isn't refined enough to notice.
We have bottled Sam Adams in our fridge from this spring (I can't drink beer anymore and FI keeps buying new stuff, so it gets pushed back). I planned on slowly pawning this off onto guests. Bad idea?
I'm not a beer drinker, but why is this a bad thing? Is it because you opened it and are just now coming back to it?
It's a can of beer so I don't know how long they are good for. Or is it more flameful that I usually drink all the beer that comes into my fridge right away?
It's a can of beer so I don't know how long they are good for. Or is it more flameful that I usually drink all the beer that comes into my fridge right away?
I honestly assumed a somewhat indefinite shelf life if temperatures are stable. I mean, the quality/taste might suffer a little, but my palate isn't refined enough to notice.
We have bottled Sam Adams in our fridge from this spring (I can't drink beer anymore and FI keeps buying new stuff, so it gets pushed back). I planned on slowly pawning this off onto guests. Bad idea?
I think as long as it's been kept cold in bottles it's okay for a while. I know my mom had a six back of O'Doul's she bought for a guest once that we had for like a year before I tricked my little sister into drinking them.
(Now I've googled and beer in cans should have an expiration date but I can't find one.)
I'm drinking a beer that's a month old. But it's a Heineken so it doesn't really matter.
A month? I rarely drink beer at home (only when we're out of wine), and my husband drinks different stuff than I do (and we end up with a lot of beer we don't love from when friends come over) so I can have it in there for the better part of a year. And then I'll still drink it, even if it is skunked. If it isn't skunked, I'll serve it to guests.
It's a can of beer so I don't know how long they are good for. Or is it more flameful that I usually drink all the beer that comes into my fridge right away?
I honestly assumed a somewhat indefinite shelf life if temperatures are stable. I mean, the quality/taste might suffer a little, but my palate isn't refined enough to notice.
We have bottled Sam Adams in our fridge from this spring (I can't drink beer anymore and FI keeps buying new stuff, so it gets pushed back). I planned on slowly pawning this off onto guests. Bad idea?
Unpasteurized microbrews have a short shelf life. I don't know about everything else.
As I tried to say initially - so many federal employees are going to be hit really hard by a shutdown, and hit harder than servicemembers. The military, overall, has a lot of support systems in place for finances if pay is suspended for some reason. Many of those support systems do not exist for federal workers. It's bad press to be mean to servicemembers and their families, so as a whole, we tend to get sympathy. Regardless of if that sympathy is earned or not (opinions vary on that). That sympathy does not extend to federal workers and their families, even if a good chunk of them deserve it just as much.
MH has bottles of beer that have been in our basement for over two years. This is that fancyass craft shit that "ages," though. All I know is that it's taking up space in my laundry room.