Where the hell is this plane?? Why isn't the black box transponder working?
This is becoming really bizarre. If I'm remembering correctly, pieces of the Air France plane were found not long after the plane disappeared, and it crashed in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean! You're dealing with less water here.
The only other theory I have is that it crashed in a really remote area of Southeast Asia, but it's such a populated region that I find it hard to believe that it could crash in the most remote of locations and not a single person would know about it after this many days.
Right??? Thee days after, if it crashed in water, you'd think there'd at least be pieces (or an oil slick!). Some sign of the plane. And if was over land...you're talking about such a densely populated area that SOMEBODY would see, or even hear, something.
Where the hell is this plane?? Why isn't the black box transponder working?
That's a shipping channel and oil isn't really an uncommon thing to be collecting in slicks there.
FWIW, the theories being whispered by friends in KL is that the plane was hijacked and forced to land somewhere. Where there is a runway that can land a 777 without anyone seeing--yeah, they don't have an answer to that.
Where the hell is this plane?? Why isn't the black box transponder working?
That's a shipping channel and oil isn't really an uncommon thing to be collecting in slicks there.
FWIW, the theories being whispered by friends in KL is that the plane was hijacked and forced to land somewhere. Where there is a runway that can land a 777 without anyone seeing--yeah, they don't have an answer to that.
I thought about the latter too but can plane recorders/GPS/whatever ever be turned off manually? Otherwise, as long as it's on land somewhere I can't imagine that investigators can't get some sort of signal from it.
Where the hell is this plane?? Why isn't the black box transponder working?
This is becoming really bizarre. If I'm remembering correctly, pieces of the Air France plane were found not long after the plane disappeared, and it crashed in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean! You're dealing with less water here.
The only other theory I have is that it crashed in a really remote area of Southeast Asia, but it's such a populated region that I find it hard to believe that it could crash in the most remote of locations and not a single person would know about it after this many days.
70% of Malaysia's population lives in cities. All of the cities are on the coasts. The center and north of the country has jungle, what used to be jungle but is now massive relatively intended palmoil plantations, and native tribes who live remotely and without telephones or Internet. But they didn't lose contact until they were out of Malaysian airspace so IDK.
Where the hell is this plane?? Why isn't the black box transponder working?
That's a shipping channel and oil isn't really an uncommon thing to be collecting in slicks there.
FWIW, the theories being whispered by friends in KL is that the plane was hijacked and forced to land somewhere. Where there is a runway that can land a 777 without anyone seeing--yeah, they don't have an answer to that.
And in fact, the oil was the type used for shipping barges, not jets.
The oil slicks didn't make sense to me in the first place, though, because all the evidence seems to point to the plane breaking up (i.e. exploding) at altitude, and I would think the oil and such would be scattered across a very large distance, not collecting in two discrete areas (which would be more consistent with the plane going into the water intact).
As for your second part....yeah. I don't think you can go about landing a 777 without someone noticing. You can't exactly land that in a field somewhere.
This is becoming really bizarre. If I'm remembering correctly, pieces of the Air France plane were found not long after the plane disappeared, and it crashed in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean! You're dealing with less water here.
The only other theory I have is that it crashed in a really remote area of Southeast Asia, but it's such a populated region that I find it hard to believe that it could crash in the most remote of locations and not a single person would know about it after this many days.
70% of Malaysia's population lives in cities. All of the cities are on the coasts. The center and north of the country has jungle, what used to be jungle but is now massive relatively intended palmoil plantations, and native tribes who live remotely and without telephones or Internet. But they didn't lose contact until they were out of Malaysian airspace so IDK.
Right, I was thinking where Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia, etc. are located since that's around where the plane should have been. I'll have to check a map and see where KL actually is located though. Even in a remote jungle, the plane would send a signal I hope? And local air forces could fly over and see a random 777 sitting in a jungle too I hope...
70% of Malaysia's population lives in cities. All of the cities are on the coasts. The center and north of the country has jungle, what used to be jungle but is now massive relatively intended palmoil plantations, and native tribes who live remotely and without telephones or Internet. But they didn't lose contact until they were out of Malaysian airspace so IDK.
Right, I was thinking where Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia, etc. are located since that's around where the plane should have been. I'll have to check a map and see where KL actually is located though. Even in a remote jungle, the plane would send a signal I hope? And local air forces could fly over and see a random 777 sitting in a jungle too I hope...
It's a half hour drive inland from Malaysia's west coast--roughly 1/3 of the way between Singapore and Thailand. The airport is about an hour south of the city.
The aircraft was also equipped with an ELT - a floating GPS beacon - designed should transmit the aircraft's position if it lands in water.
There has been no report of a signal from this transmitter either. However its signal is only short range and won't work if the device sank along with any wreckage.
Where the hell is this plane?? Why isn't the black box transponder working?
That's a shipping channel and oil isn't really an uncommon thing to be collecting in slicks there.
FWIW, the theories being whispered by friends in KL is that the plane was hijacked and forced to land somewhere. Where there is a runway that can land a 777 without anyone seeing--yeah, they don't have an answer to that.
I hate to buy into conspiracy theories, but at this point, I'm willing to believe something along these lines. I just don't see how there is any other possible explanation. But yeah, where could it possibly land that no one would see it/hear it/know about it?
The South China Sea is massive. How long did it take them to find the AF flight?
They first found the debris about two days later. It took two years to find the rest of the wreckage because it had sank so deep, but they knew where it went down pretty soon.
ETA: the plane went down on June 1, and on June 2 they had already found aircraft seats and other wreckage. And that was 600 miles off the coast, which is a lot farther into the ocean than where this plane is thought to have gone down.
NPR reported this morning that five people who checked into the flight didn't board...
This whole thing is bizarre, but the above actually doesn't strike me as super odd at face value. I know some airlines let you check in online starting 24 hours prior to your flight, so I can see how it's possible that people can check in but end up missing their flight for whatever reason. (I don't know if this is an airline that allows passengers to check in ahead of time like that.)
NPR reported this morning that five people who checked into the flight didn't board...
Did they check luggage? THE HELL DID THAT HAPPEN?
When I worked for Air Canada it would happen sometimes. Pulling those bags were a pain but it was always done. However when the weather is bad its a different story.
I heard this as well but I also heard their bags were removed as well.
It's still weird. Slightly less weird if they we're all related?
Yeah, I bet they are tracking down those people ASAP. It's not that weird if it's family/friends/coworkers that suddenly decide they want to take a different flight, or someone is sick, etc.
I heard this as well but I also heard their bags were removed as well.
It's still weird. Slightly less weird if they we're all related?
The only reason its not weird to me is because I worked for an airline when I was in college. People are dumb enough to miss flights all the time and then would show up to the gate after the departure time acting brand new as to why the airplane departed. And then there were the folks who would get on the airplane to go to Montreal when they really had booked to go to Toronto.
I heard this as well but I also heard their bags were removed as well.
It's still weird. Slightly less weird if they we're all related?
This isn't that concerning to me. Did they miss a connection? Out of 260 some passengers, 5 isn't that many and in fact a lot of airlines overbook assuming some people won't show up. With online check-in, it doesn't necessarily mean those people were actually at the airport and then just didn't board.
I still just can't get over the fact that nothing has been found yet.
When I worked for Air Canada it would happen sometimes. Pulling those bags were a pain but it was always done. However when the weather is bad its a different story.
Ah, neermind. For some reason my pre-coffee brain read that as them just now discovering that they weren't on the plane.
So I don't travel a ton, but I flew into SFO a day after the crash last summer. Then we flew this weekend after this whatever it is. I am pretty proud of myself for keeping my wits about me. The only hard part is shielding Jack from this stuff. We landed right by the airplane at SFO and I had to brightly tell some story about it being fixed or something.
Post by Velar Fricative on Mar 10, 2014 10:07:46 GMT -5
Well, looks like the racist Minnesota state senator is going to be patting himself on the back today. Malaysia Airlines officials indicate that one of the men using a stolen passport is a black male. But my goodness, he indicated that in the weirdest way possible.
One of the passengers who used a stolen passport to board the missing Malaysia Airlines passenger jet was a black man, a Malaysian official indicated today.
The investigation into Friday's disappearance of the jetliner with 239 passengers and crew has centered so far around the fact that two passengers used passports stolen from an Austrian and an Italian. The plane which left Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, was headed for Beijing. Three of the passengers, one adult and two children, were American.
Today Malaysia's Civil Aviation Chief Azaharuddin Abdul Rahman said officials had reviewed surveillance tape of the plane's boarding "from check-in right to departure."
"I can confirm that all security protocols had been complied with," he said.
When asked about the two men who used the stolen passports, Rahman replied, "We confirmed now they are not Asian looking males."
When pressed to describe them, he said, "Do you know a footballer by the name of Bartoli? Do you know what he looks like?"
Reporters corrected him asking, "Mario Balotelli?" and asked whether the man with the stolen passport was black. Balotelli, who is black, is an Italian soccer player.