Post by earlgreyhot on Mar 10, 2014 10:26:07 GMT -5
Is it possible for the plane to have sank pretty much in tact? To not have anything floating around a relatively small area (as compared to the Atlantic Ocean) is just nuts
The idea that the plane landed somewhere doesn't seem feasible in the age of cell phones. Somebody would have forgotten to turn their phone off or been able to sneak a call out.
Is it possible for the plane to have sank pretty much in tact? To not have anything floating around a relatively small area (as compared to the Atlantic Ocean) is just nuts
The idea that the plane landed somewhere doesn't seem feasible in the age of cell phones. Somebody would have forgotten to turn their phone off or been able to sneak a call out.
in the middle of the sea? I doubt a regular cell phone gets a signal.
Post by iammalcolmx on Mar 10, 2014 10:35:38 GMT -5
I hope to God Cicero friends with the tin foil hat theories are correct and this airplane just landed somewhere. I just can't stand the thought of all of those people dying.
OMG A BLACK MALE WAS ON THE PLANE? It's terrorism for sure.
WTF to the guy's race being considered newsworthy.
The drug trade through KL is controlled by a group of Nigerians. It's possible that he was speculating that the guy was smuggling drugs without actually saying it. It's also possible that he's just a racist. Malaysia is home to a serious ethnic hierarchy.
OMG A BLACK MALE WAS ON THE PLANE? It's terrorism for sure.
WTF to the guy's race being considered newsworthy.
The drug trade through KL is controlled by a group of Nigerians. It's possible that he was speculating that the guy was smuggling drugs without actually saying it. It's also possible that he's just a racist. Malaysia is home to a serious ethnic hierarchy.
My BFF is from Tanzania you should hear how she talks about Nigerians. @mx I know that will shock you.
Is it possible for the plane to have sank pretty much in tact? To not have anything floating around a relatively small area (as compared to the Atlantic Ocean) is just nuts
The idea that the plane landed somewhere doesn't seem feasible in the age of cell phones. Somebody would have forgotten to turn their phone off or been able to sneak a call out.
in the middle of the sea? I doubt a regular cell phone gets a signal.
Sorry, two different thought from me:
One was if the plane could have remained in tack entering a body of water sinking entirely explaining no debris being found.
Two was if the plane landed somewhere on land than I would think there would be some sort way that the plane could have been traced.
Is it possible for the plane to have sank pretty much in tact? To not have anything floating around a relatively small area (as compared to the Atlantic Ocean) is just nuts
The idea that the plane landed somewhere doesn't seem feasible in the age of cell phones. Somebody would have forgotten to turn their phone off or been able to sneak a call out.
I don't think so. You'd have to make a perfect landing for the plane not to break up at least somewhat upon impact, and that's virtually impossible on the ocean (the only reason Sully was able to do it on the Hudson was because it was an exceptionally clear and calm day). And the transponders are designed to emit a signal when they're in contact with water, which they didn't.
I read something that the US says it didn't detect any signs of a midair explosion via 'surveillance sources" (which is code for spy satellites, I'm sure). I hadn't even thought of that.
Now apparently some relative spoke with a passenger in that missing time??? So bizarre. Every new piece of info makes it more complicated and bizarre.
Is it possible for the plane to have sank pretty much in tact? To not have anything floating around a relatively small area (as compared to the Atlantic Ocean) is just nuts
The idea that the plane landed somewhere doesn't seem feasible in the age of cell phones. Somebody would have forgotten to turn their phone off or been able to sneak a call out.
I don't think so. You'd have to make a perfect landing for the plane not to break up at least somewhat upon impact, and that's virtually impossible on the ocean (the only reason Sully was able to do it on the Hudson was because it was an exceptionally clear and calm day). And the transponders are designed to emit a signal when they're in contact with water, which they didn't.
I read something that the US says it didn't detect any signs of a midair explosion via 'surveillance sources" (which is code for spy satellites, I'm sure). I hadn't even thought of that.
Now apparently some relative spoke with a passenger in that missing time??? So bizarre. Every new piece of info makes it more complicated and bizarre.
I thought the Hudson River plane didn't break up at least a little bit also because the engines were hit very shortly after takeoff, so Sully wasn't landing from way up in the air.
Is it possible for the plane to have sank pretty much in tact? To not have anything floating around a relatively small area (as compared to the Atlantic Ocean) is just nuts
The idea that the plane landed somewhere doesn't seem feasible in the age of cell phones. Somebody would have forgotten to turn their phone off or been able to sneak a call out.
I don't think so. You'd have to make a perfect landing for the plane not to break up at least somewhat upon impact, and that's virtually impossible on the ocean (the only reason Sully was able to do it on the Hudson was because He is a hero!!it was an exceptionally clear and calm day). And the transponders are designed to emit a signal when they're in contact with water, which they didn't.
I read something that the US says it didn't detect any signs of a midair explosion via 'surveillance sources" (which is code for spy satellites, I'm sure). I hadn't even thought of that.
Now apparently some relative spoke with a passenger in that missing time??? So bizarre. Every new piece of info makes it more complicated and bizarre.
Post by Velar Fricative on Mar 10, 2014 10:51:46 GMT -5
Well, what we do know is that the plane is out of fuel, right? So it's not like the pilots or hijackers have been taking it around for a joyride all this time. If they wanted to add more fuel to the plane, that wouldn't go unnoticed since I don't you could just find some fuel in a remote location and stick it into the plane yourself.
Apparently Interpol had one of the passports on their list as stolen, but likely not the other one. (Which, I guess means one person reported it and the other didn't).
However, security didn't check the Interpol list when they were checking passports upon boarding, so they didn't catch it.
How is that possible? My completely legit passport was checked and held from me prior to departure, and then I got extra special questioning on arrival only because I shared a name with a local fugitive.
As much of a pita is can be, I really don't mind. I didn't even really mind when Korean police held me upon departure because they'd screwed up my stamp entering the country.
And I'm not one to say "if you have nothing to hide, be OK with privacy violations".
Checking Interpol, and cross checking dates and times seems completely legit.
I read something yesterday that said there are a billion (million?) passports that aren't checked through Interpol this year. It was on CNN, but of course now I can't find it.
Post by karinothing on Mar 10, 2014 11:29:29 GMT -5
It seems like it took 5 days to fine the wreckage of the Air France plane. The ocean is a very very big place and even thought they know the general area I don't think it is that unreasonable that they haven't found it yet.
It seems like it took 5 days to fine the wreckage of the Air France plane. The ocean is a very very big place and even thought they know the general area I don't think it is that unreasonable that they haven't found it yet.
TTT posted a link on the previous page that Air France wreckage was found in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean just one day after it crashed. The South China Sea is big, yes, but based on the flight path the plane should have gone down much closer to land than the AF plane did. Something is awfully weird about all this.
It seems like it took 5 days to fine the wreckage of the Air France plane. The ocean is a very very big place and even thought they know the general area I don't think it is that unreasonable that they haven't found it yet.
TTT posted a link on the previous page that Air France wreckage was found in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean just one day after it crashed. The South China Sea is big, yes, but based on the flight path the plane should have gone down much closer to land than the AF plane did. Something is awfully weird about all this.
Oh, that is weird. Wiki says w/in 5 days of the accident. I guess I interpreted that was on the 5th day? I guess they saw signs before, but located the entire wreckage later.
TTT posted a link on the previous page that Air France wreckage was found in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean just one day after it crashed. The South China Sea is big, yes, but based on the flight path the plane should have gone down much closer to land than the AF plane did. Something is awfully weird about all this.
Oh, that is weird. Wiki says w/in 5 days of the accident. I guess I interpreted that was on the 5th day? I guess they saw signs before, but located the entire wreckage later.
NPR reported this morning that five people who checked into the flight didn't board...
I heard this as well but I also heard their bags were removed as well.
I haven't (yet) read beyond this, but this is wicked bizarre to me. I don't fly often, but to me, I'd think this to be quite abnormal that five passengers in the same flight up and decided not to go. And removed their bags. What? This is uncommon, correct? It wouldn't cause any airline employee to say hmmm, this is odd, I wonder why these five people all just said fuck no to taking this flight?
God bless all those people, I just can't imagine what's going on.
I'm impressed with the response from what, 14 nations? a Lt. Gen. From Malaysia I think, was quoted to have said in times like these we must put any and all political feelings aside and work the emergency first and foremost.
How is that possible? My completely legit passport was checked and held from me prior to departure, and then I got extra special questioning on arrival only because I shared a name with a local fugitive.
As much of a pita is can be, I really don't mind. I didn't even really mind when Korean police held me upon departure because they'd screwed up my stamp entering the country.
And I'm not one to say "if you have nothing to hide, be OK with privacy violations".
Checking Interpol, and cross checking dates and times seems completely legit.
I read something yesterday that said there are a billion (million?) passports that aren't checked through Interpol this year. It was on CNN, but of course now I can't find it.
I read this on cnn yesterday too. It is very common to not check the Interpol missing passport list so it isn't an oversight on the airline's part, it said.
Oh, that is weird. Wiki says w/in 5 days of the accident. I guess I interpreted that was on the 5th day? I guess they saw signs before, but located the entire wreckage later.
Hmmm, I don't know what to think now!
I think it is just because they didn't confirm it until they got a sub underwater and it took some time to do that, but it looks like they saw wreckage before then.
So I don't travel a ton, but I flew into SFO a day after the crash last summer. Then we flew this weekend after this whatever it is. I am pretty proud of myself for keeping my wits about me. The only hard part is shielding Jack from this stuff. We landed right by the airplane at SFO and I had to brightly tell some story about it being fixed or something.
I definitely need to watch out for this stuff, I'm really not afraid of flying esp because the alternative of driving is SO much more dangerous, but my mom full on gave me her two irrational fears - take off & landing and bridges. I wasn't even that scared of it as a kid, but her white knuckle response seeped into me anyways and I get all panicky.
When I worked for Air Canada it would happen sometimes. Pulling those bags were a pain but it was always done. However when the weather is bad its a different story.
Ah, neermind. For some reason my pre-coffee brain read that as them just now discovering that they weren't on the plane.
Me too. I had no idea this was commonplace. I hear stories of missing connections and the luggage went to destination and the whole shit show of locating luggage, etc .
So I don't travel a ton, but I flew into SFO a day after the crash last summer. Then we flew this weekend after this whatever it is. I am pretty proud of myself for keeping my wits about me. The only hard part is shielding Jack from this stuff. We landed right by the airplane at SFO and I had to brightly tell some story about it being fixed or something.
I definitely need to watch out for this stuff, I'm really not afraid of flying esp because the alternative of driving is SO much more dangerous, but my mom full on gave me her two irrational fears - take off & landing and bridges. I wasn't even that scared of it as a kid, but her white knuckle response seeped into me anyways and I get all panicky.
That's gotta be rough living in the land of bridges.
I heard this as well but I also heard their bags were removed as well.
I haven't (yet) read beyond this, but this is wicked bizarre to me. I don't fly often, but to me, I'd think this to be quite abnormal that five passengers in the same flight up and decided not to go. And removed their bags. What? This is uncommon, correct? It wouldn't cause any airline employee to say hmmm, this is odd, I wonder why these five people all just said fuck no to taking this flight?
God bless all those people, I just can't imagine what's going on.
I'm impressed with the response from what, 14 nations? a Lt. Gen. From Malaysia I think, was quoted to have said in times like these we must put any and all political feelings aside and work the emergency first and foremost.
Its not odd on a plane this size. Also checking in and not making the flight doesn't automatically mean you changed your mind, many times it means you are a not watching the clock. An airline employee is going to think who are these dummies trying to delay my flight? I agree with everything else you said.
I definitely need to watch out for this stuff, I'm really not afraid of flying esp because the alternative of driving is SO much more dangerous, but my mom full on gave me her two irrational fears - take off & landing and bridges. I wasn't even that scared of it as a kid, but her white knuckle response seeped into me anyways and I get all panicky.
That's gotta be rough living in the land of bridges.
You're telling me. I'm lucky Carl drives whenever we're together, because I've pretty much given up on the Richmond-San Rafael. I almost stopped the last time I went over by myself. In November I went with a bunch of family up to SF when our relatives were out from MN, and my uncle didn't believe the LAST SF EXIT sign (it's not kidding!), and we ended up on the Bay Bridge unexpectedly. Two cars full of people who panic at bridges, and we all end up on one. Inability to navigate and follow directions is also genetic.
Oh, that is weird. Wiki says w/in 5 days of the accident. I guess I interpreted that was on the 5th day? I guess they saw signs before, but located the entire wreckage later.
Hmmm, I don't know what to think now!
They didn't find the main wreckage for a year and a half, but they found seats, bodies, and a few other things the next day. (Crashed early Monday, found debris early Tuesday).
I haven't (yet) read beyond this, but this is wicked bizarre to me. I don't fly often, but to me, I'd think this to be quite abnormal that five passengers in the same flight up and decided not to go. And removed their bags. What? This is uncommon, correct? It wouldn't cause any airline employee to say hmmm, this is odd, I wonder why these five people all just said fuck no to taking this flight?
God bless all those people, I just can't imagine what's going on.
I'm impressed with the response from what, 14 nations? a Lt. Gen. From Malaysia I think, was quoted to have said in times like these we must put any and all political feelings aside and work the emergency first and foremost.
Its not odd on a plane this size. Also checking in and not making the flight doesn't automatically mean you changed your mind, many times it means you are a not watching the clock. An airline employee is going to think who are these dummies trying to delay my flight? I agree with everything else you said.
With flights leaving at 12:40 am it wouldn't surprise me if thu get people falling asleep out in the massive lounge chair area of the airport on the regular.
They didn't find the main wreckage for a year and a half, but they found seats, bodies, and a few other things the next day. (Crashed early Monday, found debris early Tuesday).
Right, that's what I thought I remembered. Essentially, we knew the plane had crashed a day after the crash occurred. Three days later in this case, we have no clue what happened and it could have landed on Mars for all we know.
They didn't find the main wreckage for a year and a half, but they found seats, bodies, and a few other things the next day. (Crashed early Monday, found debris early Tuesday).
Right, that's what I thought I remembered. Essentially, we knew the plane had crashed a day after the crash occurred. Three days later in this case, we have no clue what happened and it could have landed on Mars for all we know.
Right. To have absolutely no trace...is totally weird. If it would have gone down intact over water, you'd think you'd have some type of pinging coming from it. If it went down catastrophically over water, you'd think you'd find wreckage. If it went down intact over land...you'd also think you'd get pinging. Also, you have to have somewhere for a 777 to land undetected. If it went down catastrophically over land, you'd think there'd be a huge fire, huge noises, and again, wreckage.