Cyber bullying at its worst

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[pixy0stix]

ETA: Since the original story was taken out of the first post - www.myfoxaustin.com/story/25459406/leander-parents-claim-kids-are-experiencing-extreme-cyber-bullying

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This is... beyond what I would think a single 12 yo girl would do, and I doubt it's a network of people.

This sounds like the 2 other girls are making it look like the 3rd girl is doing all this. Hacking accounts, knowing what the parents are wearing, knowing private convos... I bet this is why the police are being quiet right now.

[Deleted]

Some of the messages have come in while the girls have been next to each other in a room without devices, however.

[nomad100]

Given that there was a story not that long ago about a mother creating a teenage boy persona to catfish then torment/bully a girl her daughter had a falling out with, I wouldn't be surprised if there was someone else involved.

While the source is Wikipedia, here is what I was thinking of and there were multiple people involved in that whole situation.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Megan_Meier

[pixy0stix]

May 8, 2014 10:41:27 GMT -5 @sunfl0wer22 said:

Some of the messages have come in while the girls have been next to each other in a room without devices, however.

That doesn't mean that they don't have friends helping them.

I guess I take this with a grain of salt because my sister was involved in one of these things way back in the day before most people had caller ID. 2 girls decided they didn't like her, so started calling our house all the time. They then decided to pretend like my sister was calling them all the time, and had a third friend do the calls. It was a mess, but finally phone records were checked and my sister was cleared.

[Deleted]

I just sort of feel it's too much even for 2 12 year old girls working together to last this long without getting caught. Especially when they've taken away their phones and social media access as well as turned off their wifi in both of their homes for a month.

[IIOY]

I hope pixy is right with her theory only because the idea that a spurned child's family would go this far to harass these two girls is appalling.

[summer]

It's that hard to trace where it's all coming from? 12 yr olds know how to cover their tracks like that?

[pixy0stix]

May 8, 2014 10:53:32 GMT -5 @sunfl0wer22 said:

I just sort of feel it's too much even for 2 12 year old girls working together to last this long without getting caught. Especially when they've taken away their phones and social media access as well as turned off their wifi in both of their homes for a month.

Unless the house was bugged (which is too much for me to consider) how else would other people know about private conversations that are happening within the house?

It'd be easy for the girls to purchase a throwaway phone and pass it among themselves. Obviously the phone number isn't coming from a phone the other 12 yo has, or her family, because they'd have solved the case by now.

[pixy0stix]

I found one of the mom's blogs. The girl who is said to be doing this went to the school first and said she was being bullied.

There's also this: "And, then it got crazy. More things were said in the privacy of our own homes and the girls would receive messages in response. We knew without any doubt, at this point, that we could be heard and seen, and figured it was through our phones and tablets."

and the follow-up

"Our phones and tablets came back clean"

oh, and this

" We also believe that our phones had been accessed the entire time, making it virtually impossible to catch Jaide, as all messages and accounts will show as being from our IP and MAC addresses. Essentially, she had been framing us."

L-O-fucking-L

[IIOY]

DUN DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUN

[pixy0stix]

I feel badly for the other girl. Talk about bullying. Are these parents really that blind?

[Deleted]

Ok then. I guess my friend is an idiot.

[pixy0stix]

May 8, 2014 11:24:10 GMT -5 @sunfl0wer22 said:

Ok then. I guess my friend is an idiot.

If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck...

All her devices came back clean. Everything is done from their IP and MAC addresses. C'mon now.

[meshaliuknits]

May 8, 2014 10:52:49 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

May 8, 2014 10:41:27 GMT -5 @sunfl0wer22 said:

Some of the messages have come in while the girls have been next to each other in a room without devices, however.

That doesn't mean that they don't have friends helping them.

I guess I take this with a grain of salt because my sister was involved in one of these things way back in the day before most people had caller ID. 2 girls decided they didn't like her, so started calling our house all the time. They then decided to pretend like my sister was calling them all the time, and had a third friend do the calls. It was a mess, but finally phone records were checked and my sister was cleared.

Kids don't watch enough L&O or CSI.

[pixy0stix]

May 8, 2014 11:26:48 GMT -5 meshaliuknits said:

May 8, 2014 10:52:49 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

That doesn't mean that they don't have friends helping them.

I guess I take this with a grain of salt because my sister was involved in one of these things way back in the day before most people had caller ID. 2 girls decided they didn't like her, so started calling our house all the time. They then decided to pretend like my sister was calling them all the time, and had a third friend do the calls. It was a mess, but finally phone records were checked and my sister was cleared.

Kids don't watch enough L&O or CSI.

They were about the same age as the kids here, so they didn't think about it.

Which is why I don't get the insistence that their house is bugged, and the other girl is framing them using their IP address. The simple and most direct answer is that the girls themselves are doing it with their third friend (who was mentioned in the blog) to send the text messages.

I don't doubt that it did start out as txt bullying between all the girls. That is plausible, and why the other girl took it to the school. The escalation to spying through electronic devices? No.

[Wrath0fKuus]

Hearing hoofbeats and looking for zebras, sounds like

[Velar Fricative]

I want pixy0stix as my private investigator for everything. The story didn't sound plausible to even my usually gullible self but then Pixy dug up the dirt.

[pixy0stix]

May 8, 2014 11:58:24 GMT -5 asdfjkl said:

May 8, 2014 10:08:01 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

This is... beyond what I would think a single 12 yo girl would do, and I doubt it's a network of people.

This sounds like the 2 other girls are making it look like the 3rd girl is doing all this. Hacking accounts, knowing what the parents are wearing, knowing private convos... I bet this is why the police are being quiet right now.

Except that they have binders of actual print ours of texts and tweets. I would guess there are adults or older siblings involved.

And print outs prove... what? That these things were typed, sure, but not where they were coming from. Tracking the IPs etc. show that the call was coming from inside the house.

[andrealynn]

As a parent, I totally understand getting all mama bear when you think your child is being bullied, especially to the level that these things seem to have gone.

But, when you get to the point of sending out your devices and looking for bugs and stuff, I think you have to take a step back and really evaluate what is going on at a more rational level.

[karinothing]

Maybe the kid is on the "A" team.

(please let me not be the only one who knows what this means).

[pixy0stix]

Someone on their facebook page (yes, they set up a facebook page to "document" all this, it has over 1k likes), says they should contact Anonymous.

I think that's a FANTASTIC idea. They'd probably want to recruit a 12 yo who can clone dynamic IP addresses, bug the inside of houses, and figure out brand new phone numbers of other people.

[Deleted]

Seriously?



What's happening here is pretty obvious, and it's not some super hacker 12 year old.

[downtoearth]

So I didn't go to the blog or anything, but why wouldn't the parents just meet with the parents of the other kid and the police and figure this out? I'm so confused as to why this involves calling the FBI. Have any of the parents just sat down together - what are they immature or are they really afraid of a 12-year old girl b/c she is violent or something?

[pixy0stix]

May 8, 2014 12:20:56 GMT -5 downtoearth said:

So I didn't go to the blog or anything, but why wouldn't the parents just meet with the parents of the other kid and the police and figure this out?

They did. The mother said the other girl had all her accounts taken away from her. Of course they believe she's a lying liar who can't be believed.

[downtoearth]

May 8, 2014 12:35:31 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

May 8, 2014 12:20:56 GMT -5 downtoearth said:

So I didn't go to the blog or anything, but why wouldn't the parents just meet with the parents of the other kid and the police and figure this out?

They did. The mother said the other girl had all her accounts taken away from her. Of course they believe she's a lying liar who can't be believed.

Ah, so now I'm getting your comments... so maybe the new accounts aren't actually the original Jaid girl, but set-up to look like they are her. 

As an aside, I sort of hope these girls aren't seeing that FB page and all this media about it... I hope they are enrolled in a new (private or other public school) and are just being separated from a lot of this drama. 

[Bad Dingo]

OMG, she lost me with starting her blog post with Webster's definition of bullying.

[pixy0stix]

More from the blog in the comments from the mom:

Jaide is not acting alone. She comes from a family of criminals and I’m sure she has had lots of help. Even just looking at her public Facebook (and that of her mother) is very telling.

Anyone else want to wager that they're poor? And that's why she's been an easy target to blame all this on.

[downtoearth]

May 8, 2014 12:50:45 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

More from the blog in the comments from the mom:

Jaide is not acting alone. She comes from a family of criminals and I’m sure she has had lots of help. Even just looking at her public Facebook (and that of her mother) is very telling.

Anyone else want to wager that they're poor? And that's why she's been an easy target to blame all this on.

This makes me so sad - why are the parents of those who claim to be bullied just shutting this down?!  As in NO media at all and keeping their kids away from phones, twitter, FB, etc?  Why are they taking this to social media to solve it?!  I mean, I would deactivate every family FB account and block twitter on my phone/kids phones/computer etc.  But I think I just don't understand.

[IIOY]

May 8, 2014 12:50:45 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Jaide is not acting alone. She comes from a family of criminals and I’m sure she has had lots of help. Even just looking at her public Facebook (and that of her mother) is very telling..

::sucks air::